The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1)

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1381 » by AceofSpades69 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 5:28 pm

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Where would that put Curry on the the all time great list if they accomplish that? I could really see Durant come here to join a dynasty

It depends of Curry's performance. With Durant on the team his numbers would absolutely come down to earth (speaking of volume) but if his efficiency remained somewhat closer, let's say 25/7/5 on 65% TS, then forget about defense, he'd be the GOAT. 6 rings in a row though, I don't think it's going to happen.

he is 31/7/5 on 68% right now. If adding durant actually lower his efficiency, thats not worth it.

It'd almost certainly lower his volume. As for his efficiency, there's nothing that suggests he would come down with Durant on the court.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1382 » by Clyde Frazier » Tue Mar 8, 2016 7:34 pm

Animated Heatmap: Steph Curry's Shot Selection Over His Career

http://gfycat.com/FluidFearfulGreathornedowl

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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1383 » by RSCD3_ » Tue Mar 8, 2016 7:52 pm

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Arman_tanzarian wrote:
colts18 wrote:96 Bulls (includes playoffs):
vs. 50+ win teams: 20-5 15.86 SRS
vs. playoff teams: 51-9 14.51 SRS

They had an SRS of just 8.8 vs. non-playoff teams. They are similar to the Warriors in that regard.

curious as to how you measure SRS against teams?


Total point differential (-3 for each home game, +3 for each away game) - cumulative opponent SRS. Divide this total by number of games played.


Thanks for providing this info it's impossible to find in google :D

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14 games, 12- 2 Record ( Two overtime wins )

77- ( 11.01 ) / 14 = 4.71 SRS

Actually im a bit confused shouldnt it be + cumulative opponent average because if GS played opponents with a combined worse SRS and the same MOV, theyd have a higher SRS

But if it is + cumulative, then it's 6.29 SRS

Either way they have fallen off a bit
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1384 » by RSCD3_ » Tue Mar 8, 2016 9:11 pm

He's also at +809 with a possible 20 games left to play

8.6 per game to pass jordan, 9.55 to hit 1k

seasonwide project rates at 1069, but I dont expect that #
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1385 » by JordansBulls » Tue Mar 8, 2016 9:11 pm

lorak wrote:Recent games show how important is Iguodala.

Of course the guy who won finals mvp will be important.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1386 » by therealbig3 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 9:14 pm

The thing is, come playoff time, the rotations are getting shortened and the starting lineup will play more.

And nobody has proven that they can hang with the Warriors top 7 for extended periods of time. So I'm not worried about the Warriors at all.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1387 » by Dr Spaceman » Tue Mar 8, 2016 10:32 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
Arman_tanzarian wrote:curious as to how you measure SRS against teams?


Total point differential (-3 for each home game, +3 for each away game) - cumulative opponent SRS. Divide this total by number of games played.


Thanks for providing this info it's impossible to find in google :D

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14 games, 12- 2 Record ( Two overtime wins )

77- ( 11.01 ) / 14 = 4.71 SRS

Actually im a bit confused shouldnt it be + cumulative opponent average because if GS played opponents with a combined worse SRS and the same MOV, theyd have a higher SRS

But if it is + cumulative, then it's 6.29 SRS

Either way they have fallen off a bit


Yes it is +opponent SRS my bad.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1388 » by Bourne85 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 11:08 pm

My league pass wasn't working last night. First time in my life I was legit mad as hell at not being able to watch a basketball game. Even called NBA league pass twice trying to resolve the issue. First time I called was at the beginning of game then I look at halftime and knew it was on of those nights for him so I called again! Instead was given a "ticket number" and will be "resolved shortly".

That's the affect curry has had on me lol.

And it seems I missed another good one. Good thing I can rewatch it later tonight if it's fixed.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1389 » by The-Power » Tue Mar 8, 2016 11:54 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:Animated Heatmap: Steph Curry's Shot Selection Over His Career

http://gfycat.com/FluidFearfulGreathornedowl

Via /r/NBA, this is awesome.

Curry's shot selection has gone somewhat unnoticed but it's actually quite amazing to see how he approaches the game these days.

He's basically the analytics' dream with regard to what kind of shots he creates. Let's have a look at bbref's shooting numbers:

% of FGA by distance

0-3ft - 22.6
3-10ft - 8.6
10-16ft - 5.0
10ft<3 - 8.8
3P - 54.9

FTr - 0.269

It's amazing to see for two reasons. One, and this is probably the most impressive aspect, is his individual development over the course of his career. The other is how he looks compared to the rest of the league / other perimeter players in the league.

Let me focus in the first part. By now, he basically completely abolished the midrange-/longrange-game for himself. Isn't it astounding to see that a great shooter like Curry only takes 22.4% of his FGA from outside 3ft and inside the 3pt-line? From 10ft to 3P, i.e. the least efficient shots in theory, he only takes 13.8% of his FGA. Note that this isn't even taking into account the fouls he draws to get to the line, which mostly occurs around the rim. It's not that he can't make these shots, as he shoots around 47% from 10ft to 3P and slightly less if we also take the 3-10ft range (still scores at 44% from that area this season) into account; it's because these shots are clearly less efficient than those around the rim (69%) or from long distance (likewise 69% eFG).

Compared to his previous years, it's a) amazing to see when we look at his whole career but b) also nothing more than the next step of an already established path in recent years. In his first five years in the league (2010-2014), about 27.5% (+18.7) of his shots came from 16ft to 3P, about 9% (+4%) of his shots came from 10-16ft and about 10% (+1.4%) came from 3-10ft. His FTr was approximately around 0.2 (-0.069, which is more significant than it looks as it's, in other words, -6.9%). We can see some kind of development starting back in 2013/14, before Kerr arrived, but 2014/15 constitutes the most significant change in Curry's shot selection as this was the time where he clearly started to not really look for shots from 16ft to 3P any longer. His % of FGA from this are decreased from 24.5 in 2014 to 16.3 in 2015 to 8.8 in 2016.

What's also noteworthy, to me: he might not be finished yet. While 2014/15 was some sort of a turning point, we can still see further development in the direction I illustrated above. He increased the shots at the rim by 4% to 22.6% overall. It's amazing when you realize that the number - 22.6% - is basically twice as high as it has been his two early prime years (2012/13 and 2013/14). I already mentioned the drop-off in volume from 16ft to 3P. His relative FGA from 3ft to 16ft also decreased, while his 3PAr clearly increased from 0.482 (2015) to 0.549 (2016). The same is true for his FTr, although far less significantly (0.251 to 0.269). He's seems to be on a mission recently: picking the spots wisely to maximize efficiency.

What does this tell us? Well, it tells us two things. First, the offense has become far more sophisticated under Kerr. Superior coaching and development of the players/team allows Golden State to run an ultra efficient offense, which includes extensive minutes for Curry to move away from the ball in order to create good looks for himself and others in collaboration with the high post playmaker (usually Green or Bogut). But theory has to be converted into actual results and this leads us to the second part. Curry has become stupidly good at creating shots in the most efficient areas on the court and he has also become extremely wise as far as picking his spots is concerned. How did he become so good at creating these kind of highly efficient shots constantly? Well, of course the main answer lies in his shooting ability. He can not only shoot 3's at will from previosuly unheard of distances and regardless of coverage, which explains his 3pt-shooting, but he learned to leverage his shooting-threat to get to the basket more frequently and under less pressure on the first feet after blowing by his defender. Combine this with elite handles, a deceptively quick first step and a creative and impeccable finishing ability and you have an elite 3pt-shooter who's as or even more efficient around the rim - at an not-so-insignificant volume - as he's from behind the arc.

Hence, Curry's improved efficiency to unprecedented heights for volume scorers isn't sorcery. It's rather simple to explain: he decided to take the efficient shots more often and the less efficient shots less often. What is indeed amazing is the way he gets it done, since there's much more to it than merely realizing where the efficient spots happen to be. To shoot at 70% TS on shots entire game plans are supposed to take away at high costs, on incredibly high volume, and to shoot >70% TS around the rim, i.e. shots every game plan - independent of the opponent - tries to take away, on decent volume, is mind-blowing. If you're trying to understand efficient basketball, you have to look no further than Curry. Sure, nobody else has been able to do or replicate what current Curry is doing but as an individual, Curry has been maximizing his efficiency like no other player in history has ever been capable of.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1390 » by Hoopstar23 » Wed Mar 9, 2016 9:12 am

Bourne85 wrote:My league pass wasn't working last night. First time in my life I was legit mad as hell at not being able to watch a basketball game. Even called NBA league pass twice trying to resolve the issue. First time I called was at the beginning of game then I look at halftime and knew it was on of those nights for him so I called again! Instead was given a "ticket number" and will be "resolved shortly".

That's the affect curry has had on me lol.

And it seems I missed another good one. Good thing I can rewatch it later tonight if it's fixed.


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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1391 » by Mazter » Wed Mar 9, 2016 2:10 pm

The-Power wrote:Curry's shot selection has gone somewhat unnoticed but it's actually quite amazing to see how he approaches the game these days.

He's basically the analytics' dream with regard to what kind of shots he creates. Let's have a look at bbref's shooting numbers:

% of FGA by distance

0-3ft - 22.6
3-10ft - 8.6
10-16ft - 5.0
10ft<3 - 8.8
3P - 54.9

FTr - 0.269

It's amazing to see for two reasons. One, and this is probably the most impressive aspect, is his individual development over the course of his career. The other is how he looks compared to the rest of the league / other perimeter players in the league.

Let me focus in the first part. By now, he basically completely abolished the midrange-/longrange-game for himself. Isn't it astounding to see that a great shooter like Curry only takes 22.4% of his FGA from outside 3ft and inside the 3pt-line? From 10ft to 3P, i.e. the least efficient shots in theory, he only takes 13.8% of his FGA. Note that this isn't even taking into account the fouls he draws to get to the line, which mostly occurs around the rim. It's not that he can't make these shots, as he shoots around 47% from 10ft to 3P and slightly less if we also take the 3-10ft range (still scores at 44% from that area this season) into account; it's because these shots are clearly less efficient than those around the rim (69%) or from long distance (likewise 69% eFG).

Compared to his previous years, it's a) amazing to see when we look at his whole career but b) also nothing more than the next step of an already established path in recent years. In his first five years in the league (2010-2014), about 27.5% (+18.7) of his shots came from 16ft to 3P, about 9% (+4%) of his shots came from 10-16ft and about 10% (+1.4%) came from 3-10ft. His FTr was approximately around 0.2 (-0.069, which is more significant than it looks as it's, in other words, -6.9%). We can see some kind of development starting back in 2013/14, before Kerr arrived, but 2014/15 constitutes the most significant change in Curry's shot selection as this was the time where he clearly started to not really look for shots from 16ft to 3P any longer. His % of FGA from this are decreased from 24.5 in 2014 to 16.3 in 2015 to 8.8 in 2016.

What's also noteworthy, to me: he might not be finished yet. While 2014/15 was some sort of a turning point, we can still see further development in the direction I illustrated above. He increased the shots at the rim by 4% to 22.6% overall. It's amazing when you realize that the number - 22.6% - is basically twice as high as it has been his two early prime years (2012/13 and 2013/14). I already mentioned the drop-off in volume from 16ft to 3P. His relative FGA from 3ft to 16ft also decreased, while his 3PAr clearly increased from 0.482 (2015) to 0.549 (2016). The same is true for his FTr, although far less significantly (0.251 to 0.269). He's seems to be on a mission recently: picking the spots wisely to maximize efficiency.

It's not just his scoring but also his passing. Some people question his passing abilities. But the range from his passing is even better.
0-3ft - 49.6
3-10ft - 5.5
10-16ft - 7.1
10ft<3 - 6.3
3P - 31.5

Over 80% of his assists is a high percentage shot.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1392 » by RSCD3_ » Wed Mar 9, 2016 2:27 pm

Mazter wrote:
The-Power wrote:Curry's shot selection has gone somewhat unnoticed but it's actually quite amazing to see how he approaches the game these days.

He's basically the analytics' dream with regard to what kind of shots he creates. Let's have a look at bbref's shooting numbers:

% of FGA by distance

0-3ft - 22.6
3-10ft - 8.6
10-16ft - 5.0
10ft<3 - 8.8
3P - 54.9

FTr - 0.269

It's amazing to see for two reasons. One, and this is probably the most impressive aspect, is his individual development over the course of his career. The other is how he looks compared to the rest of the league / other perimeter players in the league.

Let me focus in the first part. By now, he basically completely abolished the midrange-/longrange-game for himself. Isn't it astounding to see that a great shooter like Curry only takes 22.4% of his FGA from outside 3ft and inside the 3pt-line? From 10ft to 3P, i.e. the least efficient shots in theory, he only takes 13.8% of his FGA. Note that this isn't even taking into account the fouls he draws to get to the line, which mostly occurs around the rim. It's not that he can't make these shots, as he shoots around 47% from 10ft to 3P and slightly less if we also take the 3-10ft range (still scores at 44% from that area this season) into account; it's because these shots are clearly less efficient than those around the rim (69%) or from long distance (likewise 69% eFG).

Compared to his previous years, it's a) amazing to see when we look at his whole career but b) also nothing more than the next step of an already established path in recent years. In his first five years in the league (2010-2014), about 27.5% (+18.7) of his shots came from 16ft to 3P, about 9% (+4%) of his shots came from 10-16ft and about 10% (+1.4%) came from 3-10ft. His FTr was approximately around 0.2 (-0.069, which is more significant than it looks as it's, in other words, -6.9%). We can see some kind of development starting back in 2013/14, before Kerr arrived, but 2014/15 constitutes the most significant change in Curry's shot selection as this was the time where he clearly started to not really look for shots from 16ft to 3P any longer. His % of FGA from this are decreased from 24.5 in 2014 to 16.3 in 2015 to 8.8 in 2016.

What's also noteworthy, to me: he might not be finished yet. While 2014/15 was some sort of a turning point, we can still see further development in the direction I illustrated above. He increased the shots at the rim by 4% to 22.6% overall. It's amazing when you realize that the number - 22.6% - is basically twice as high as it has been his two early prime years (2012/13 and 2013/14). I already mentioned the drop-off in volume from 16ft to 3P. His relative FGA from 3ft to 16ft also decreased, while his 3PAr clearly increased from 0.482 (2015) to 0.549 (2016). The same is true for his FTr, although far less significantly (0.251 to 0.269). He's seems to be on a mission recently: picking the spots wisely to maximize efficiency.

It's not just his scoring but also his passing. Some people question his passing abilities. But the range from his passing is even better.
0-3ft - 49.6
3-10ft - 5.5
10-16ft - 7.1
10ft<3 - 6.3
3P - 31.5

Over 80% of his assists is a high percentage shot.



Whoa what site gave you this i fo, and was there also a FG% on shots off curry passes per area
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1393 » by Mazter » Wed Mar 9, 2016 3:34 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:Whoa what site gave you this i fo, and was there also a FG% on shots off curry passes per area

I pulled them from the event finder of Basketball-reference.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/event_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=curryst01&event_code=ast&year_id=2016&is_playoffs=N&team_id=&opp_id=&quarter=&time_remain_quarter=&margin=&score=

Unfortunately no percentage per area. There used to be a Player shot log on NBA.com's player tracking from which you could generate this info but the link is either gone or not accessible anymore for general public.
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Post#1394 » by MyUniBroDavis » Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:37 am

Lol he just made another 55 footer
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Post#1395 » by The-Power » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:56 am

This victory was on Draymond. He played absolutely incredible defense and his offensive was there last night, after rough weeks recently and a slow start to the game. But wow, did Green bring his A game on defense last night.
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Post#1396 » by JulesWinnfield » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:51 pm

It has been such a fun ride watching this team this year with the level Curry is playing on. The feeling is only heightened in my view by these feeble old men from eras past whistling from the graveyard bothered by how outdated he makes their eras look, taking shots as he reinvents the wheel. Nothing annoys me more than pastime paradise revisionist nonsense and "back in my day" crap from yesteryear, a yesteryear which looks more and more archaic by comparison. I love seeing him continue to stick it to them.
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Post#1397 » by tsherkin » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:54 pm

JulesWinnfield wrote:This season not only has Steph Curry firmly surpassed Lebron as the best player in the league, he has also surpassed him as my favorite player. It has been such a fun ride watching this team this year with the level Curry is playing on. The feeling is only heightened in my view by these feeble old men from eras past whistling from the graveyard bothered by how outdated he makes their eras look, taking shots as he reinvents the wheel. Nothing annoys me more than pastime paradise revisionist nonsense and "back in my day" crap from yesteryear, a yesteryear which looks more and more archaic by comparison. I love seeing him continue to stick it to them.


The comments from Oscar and Kareem and everyone are such a shame, too, because mostly those were players who would port forward very well, so the insecurity prompting them to kvetch and piss on a younger guy hitting his peak is just really sad and pathetic.
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Post#1398 » by JulesWinnfield » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:06 pm

tsherkin wrote:
JulesWinnfield wrote:This season not only has Steph Curry firmly surpassed Lebron as the best player in the league, he has also surpassed him as my favorite player. It has been such a fun ride watching this team this year with the level Curry is playing on. The feeling is only heightened in my view by these feeble old men from eras past whistling from the graveyard bothered by how outdated he makes their eras look, taking shots as he reinvents the wheel. Nothing annoys me more than pastime paradise revisionist nonsense and "back in my day" crap from yesteryear, a yesteryear which looks more and more archaic by comparison. I love seeing him continue to stick it to them.


The comments from Oscar and Kareem and everyone are such a shame, too, because mostly those were players who would port forward very well, so the insecurity prompting them to kvetch and piss on a younger guy hitting his peak is just really sad and pathetic.


Oscar in particular has always been a crotchety old guy. I can vividly remember him routinely throwing water on Jordan during the 90s. Ever since I've been watching this league (late 80s), Oscar poking his head out to crap on modern basketball has always been part of the scenery on the periphery. It's just not a good look.
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Post#1399 » by tsherkin » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:09 pm

JulesWinnfield wrote:Oscar in particular has always been a crotchety old guy. I can vividly remember him routinely throwing water on Jordan during the 90s. Ever since I've been watching this league in the late 80s, Oscar poking his head out to crap on modern basketball has always been part of the scenery. It's just not a good look.


He's always been an angry, bitter old man. It served a purpose when he was fighting the league for the retired players union and whatever, but he has no target and no relevance anymore, so he has become restless and remains irritable. It was inevitable that he'd strike out, and often, and so has it been since he retired. It really is a shame that he hasn't had the same grace as Bill Russell, who has largely been a consummate professional even following his playing/coaching days... connecting with the Boston legacy with Kevin Garnett, talking to this guy, that player, whatever. He's just around and integrated into the spirit of the game, and it's much more pleasant to see than bitter dudes who just can't accept that theirs is no longer the spotlight.
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Re: The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1) 

Post#1400 » by euliss » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:31 pm

This always stood out to me from the book of basketball

Jerry Lucas: “Oscar was a perfectionist and he’d yell at you if you messed up. Then you saw that he yelled at everyone, so you learned not to take it personally.”

Zelmo Beaty: “He was such a perfectionist that I never could have lived up to his expectations. The way he’d scream at Wayne Embry: ‘You dummy, catch the ball … I put the ball right in your hands, how could you drop that one?’ I felt sorry for Wayne.”

Wayne Embry: “Oscar was so far ahead of us humans that you could never come up to his level. But because of his greatness and what he meant to the franchise, you hated to fail him. Oscar’s greatness sometimes overwhelmed Adrian Smith. [He’d] tell Oscar, ‘Please, O, you know I’m trying, I really am. You gotta believe me, O.’ ”

Oscar’s demanding personality overwhelmed everyone around him. After his playing career ended and CBS jettisoned him in 1975, nobody hired him as a coach, general manager, broadcaster, or adviser for the next thirty-four years (and counting). He resurfaced occasionally as the Grumpy Old Superstar in any story comparing the good old days to whatever was happening in the current era.5 You could always rely on one churlish Oscar quote about how today’s players make too much money; how he never could have palmed the ball so blatantly back in his day; how he would have loved to have played in an era of charter planes, personal trainers and low expectations; how today’s triple doubles didn’t matter because you could get an assist for anything nowadays


source: http://grantland.com/features/the-big-o-had-plenty-game-plenty-chips-shoulder/

and this was written 7+ years ago, so not much has changed with him :lol:

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