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Post#421 » by crkone » Tue Mar 8, 2016 5:38 pm

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/steve_aschburner/03/08/giannis-antetokounmpo-point-forward-playmaker-milwaukee-bucks/index.html?cid=nbacomsocial_tw_sf22163989


The Bucks like their point guard right where he is: Learning the position from one of the best ever to play it. Kidd intentionally has been keeping things simple and straight-forward, limiting the nuances and complexities that make that spot the trickiest of the five.

"It's just the progressions, just like a quarterback," Kidd said of the biggest challenge for a newbie playmaker. "Being able to digest the first progression, second progression. Sometimes it's you first, sometimes it's the one who's setting the pick or whoever the play's for. Just understanding different passing lanes.

"But I think when you look at some of the guys like KG and Dirk and those guys who changed that [big forward] position, now you've got someone like Giannis being able to play on the perimeter and make plays for his teammates. It's a different passing angle. I'm not that tall, but when you talk about Magic being able to see over the defense, it actually is an advantage."

Said Antetokounmpo of Kidd's tutelage: "Having J.Kidd talking to me after practice, before the game, after the game, it's great. He's talking to me, giving me tips every day. It's like having a cheat code."


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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#422 » by crkone » Tue Mar 8, 2016 5:46 pm

http://deadspin.com/giannis-antetokounmpo-is-a-point-guard-now-and-its-awe-1763527813

Giannis Antetokounmpo Is A Point Guard Now, And It's Awesome

Who knows if Antetokounmpo taking on the role of primary playmaker is just a short-term experiment or a long-term fix, but Bucks fans should feel great about it either way. As we wrote back in January, the sad thing about this Bucks squad is that despite having a collection of talented young players, they just don’t seem to fit together. But when one player continues to evolve at a rapid rate and demonstrates that he can occupy any spot in the lineup, it becomes a lot easier to find the right place for everyone else.

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Post#423 » by pe_it72 » Tue Mar 8, 2016 6:08 pm

Is it bad that I'm going to expect a triple double every night next year. If he's playing the point on offense and guarding a big on d. Why not?


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Post#424 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 8, 2016 6:13 pm

If the time ever came where Kidd was either let go or moved into a front office role, would the new coach have the same vision to allow Giannis to stay at point guard? Because if the answer is no, that might be the only redeeming quality about Kidd in terms of his coaching ability and me being okay with him staying on as coach.
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Post#425 » by Badgerlander » Tue Mar 8, 2016 7:35 pm

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/steve_aschburner/03/08/giannis-antetokounmpo-point-forward-playmaker-milwaukee-bucks/index.html?cid=nbacomsocial_tw_sf22163989

CHICAGO — Marques Johnson, who either was or wasn't the first "point forward" in NBA history and either did or didn't coin the term itself, left no room for equivocation Monday night.
"Forget the 'forward' part -- he's just a point guard out there," Johnson said of Milwaukee's Giannis Antetokounmpo, the 6-foot-11 bundle of raw skills who has been running the Bucks offense for the past few weeks. "You can see, when the Bucks rebound the basketball ... it really has given him a lot more energy. His eyes just light up when he calls for the ball and then pushes it up."
Now Milwaukee's color analyst, Johnson, a five-time NBA All-Star for the Bucks and the Clippers, got thrown some ball-handling and play-calling responsibility by coach Don Nelson one day about 35 years ago. Thus he took his place in a timeline that includes Robert Reid, Paul Pressey, Scottie Pippen, Grant Hill, LeBron James and other wing-sized players who anecdotally have defined the unofficial and still fuzzy position of point forward.
But the way Antetokounmpo has been playing over his past dozen games or so, he has looked for significant stretches like Isiah Thomas or John Stockton in a funhouse mirror.

He brings the ball into the front court, surveys the chess pieces with an unobstructed view over most of his defenders, then barks and points to get his teammates to their spots. Sometimes he shifts gears, attacking his man with his often-lethal mix of quickness and length. Other times he finds a cutter or hands off the ball to Khris Middleton or Jerryd Bayless and morphs from backcourt freak to frontcourt threat.
Little by little, the plan is to get him into more pick-and-rolls to further exploit matchups.
"The point forward position was just, initially, initiating the offense," Johnson said. "Not really looking to get out in transition and be Magic Johnson but just to bring it up the court to try to relieve some of the pressure on the guards.
"But Giannis is pushing, probing, penetrating, kicking. With the prodding of Jason Kidd, he has taken it to a whole 'nother level."
Check out this level: In Milwaukee's 10 games since the All-Star break, Antetokounmpo has averaged 19.1 points, 10.3 rebounds, 7.8 assists, 1.9 steals and 2.0 blocks in 38.5 minutes. Only two players in NBA history ever filled the first three categories so completely (19 points, 10 rebounds, 7.5 assists): Oscar Robertson for three seasons (1960-63) and Wilt Chamberlain for two (1966-68).
Antetokounmpo has three triple-doubles in this stretch, along with a 27-9-12 game against Minnesota on Friday. When the third-year player went for 27 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, four blocks and three steals against the Lakers on February 22, he had game highs for both teams in all five stats (something no player had done since James in March 2009). Antetokounmpo hit those marks again Sunday with 26-12-10-4-3 against OKC, becoming the first to have multiple stats lines crammed like that since Hakeem Olajuwon in 1989-90.
Olajuwon, of course, was 27 years old and a 7-foot center when he did that. Antetokounmpo is 21, stands just one inch shorter and is doing it as a point guard.
"It takes a certain level of skill, man," said Johnson, the Bucks broadcaster. "To be that tall and be that comfortable dribbling the basketball, that's not something a lot of guys 6-foot-7 and taller are comfortable doing. Especially going full-court against smaller defenders, protecting the basketball."
Said Antetokounmpo: "The goal right now is, I'm always trying to be aggressive. I'm always trying to score first. I know that, if I try to score first, the defense is going to collapse -- everybody's in the paint. Now I'm sure there's going to be some open guys.
"I cannot take 30 jumpers a game. Got to have a balance. You've got to get your teammates involved."
That is the point guard's primary task, one that Antetokounmpo has embraced regularly now that Michael Carter-Williams has been lost for what's left of the season for hip surgery, with Greivis Vasquez already sidelined by ankle surgery.
[Jason Kidd] is talking to me, giving me tips every day. It's like having a cheat code."
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Re: Giannis' Development 

Post#426 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 8, 2016 10:00 pm

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Post#427 » by HKPackFan » Tue Mar 8, 2016 11:04 pm

A warning to the rest of the NBA: The jumper is coming.
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Post#428 » by 3Diamantidis » Tue Mar 8, 2016 11:28 pm

Matches Malone wrote:If the time ever came where Kidd was either let go or moved into a front office role, would the new coach have the same vision to allow Giannis to stay at point guard? Because if the answer is no, that might be the only redeeming quality about Kidd in terms of his coaching ability and me being okay with him staying on as coach.


So true.
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Post#429 » by theFireBlanket » Wed Mar 9, 2016 12:07 am

tigerclan wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:If the time ever came where Kidd was either let go or moved into a front office role, would the new coach have the same vision to allow Giannis to stay at point guard? Because if the answer is no, that might be the only redeeming quality about Kidd in terms of his coaching ability and me being okay with him staying on as coach.


So true.

This is why we need him to just give up on chasing a front office position and appreciate the opportunity to continue coaching GianBaris.
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Post#430 » by yannisk » Wed Mar 9, 2016 12:54 am

Giannis is playing so well especially lately, but there are so many aspects in his game that he could improve on and that is the scary part

On defence: he is a pretty good defender already but with his length and speed he should have the impact of a prime Kirilenko, he is not there yet.

Rebounding: He is a talented rebounder, maybe he needs a bit more strength to hold position.

Ball handling: Probably his most advanced skill, still he could get his dribble a bit tighter.

Creativity/Assists: the more he handles the ball the more he will improve.

Shooting: obviously his bigger weakness. It is a priority he devotes the summer on that, maybe he should hire a personal trainer like that German geezer that works with Nowitzki.

Posting up: That is an area he will really thrive. He always has a shorter guy guarding him he has to take advantage of it, again more strength will help. He should train with somebody like Hakeem. Or develop the Giannis skyhook (joking)

So many things he can improve on, but he has time and work ethic on his side.
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Post#431 » by yannisk » Wed Mar 9, 2016 12:59 am

Giannis is playing so well especially lately, but there are so many aspects in his game that he could improve on and that is the scary part

On defence: he is a pretty good defender already but with his length and speed he should have the impact of a prime Kirilenko, he is not there yet.

Rebounding: He is a talented rebounder, maybe he needs a bit more strength to hold position.

Ball handling: Probably his most advanced skill, still he could get his dribble a bit tighter.

Creativity/Assists: the more he handles the ball the more he will improve.

Shooting: obviously his bigger weakness. It is a priority he devotes the summer on that, maybe he should hire a personal trainer like that German geezer that works with Nowitzki.

Posting up: That is an area he will really thrive. He always has a shorter guy guarding him he has to take advantage of it, again more strength will help. He should train with somebody like Hakeem. Or develop the Giannis skyhook (joking)

So many things he can improve on, but he has time and work ethic on his side.
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Post#432 » by raws » Wed Mar 9, 2016 1:02 am

HKPackFan wrote:A warning to the rest of the NBA: The jumper is coming.

Not this season. Glad to see Kidd working with him on this. Right now Giannis's jumper is complete trash, but it can and will improve. It's a testament to his other abilities that he is putting up numbers now with his current jumper.
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Post#433 » by blazza18 » Wed Mar 9, 2016 1:16 am

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/08/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-jason-kidd-kobe-bryant

“I definitely knew one day we’d come back to it, once you know that I can do it,” Antetokounmpo says. “It’s different in the game, especially when Mike was starting. I couldn’t handle the ball more than Mike, because he’s our point guard.He’s in charge.


The bolded really pisses me off.
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Post#434 » by breakchains » Wed Mar 9, 2016 1:18 am

He needs to work on his touch around the basket.
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Post#435 » by breakchains » Wed Mar 9, 2016 1:19 am

blazza18 wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/08/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-jason-kidd-kobe-bryant

“I definitely knew one day we’d come back to it, once you know that I can do it,” Antetokounmpo says. “It’s different in the game, especially when Mike was starting. I couldn’t handle the ball more than Mike, because he’s our point guard.He’s in charge.


The bolded really pisses me off.

I was trying to ring this bell on his mindset the past two years. He really needed the coach to give him the mandate for him to be unlocked. We are seeing that now.
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Post#436 » by Prez » Wed Mar 9, 2016 2:06 am

Milwaukee's starting lineup with Antetokounmpo at the "point" has posted an offensive efficiency of of 109.1, per NBA.com/stats, which would rank third in the NBA on the season. Those lineups also feature a 63% assist rate, which would third in the league this year.
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Post#437 » by ampd » Wed Mar 9, 2016 2:23 am

Matches Malone wrote:If the time ever came where Kidd was either let go or moved into a front office role, would the new coach have the same vision to allow Giannis to stay at point guard? Because if the answer is no, that might be the only redeeming quality about Kidd in terms of his coaching ability and me being okay with him staying on as coach.


If he continues on like this he's going to be so good with the ball in his hands no coach would be dumb enough to take it out of them.
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Post#438 » by Ayt » Wed Mar 9, 2016 3:54 am

blazza18 wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/08/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-jason-kidd-kobe-bryant

“I definitely knew one day we’d come back to it, once you know that I can do it,” Antetokounmpo says. “It’s different in the game, especially when Mike was starting. I couldn’t handle the ball more than Mike, because he’s our point guard.He’s in charge.


The bolded really pisses me off.


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Post#439 » by raferfenix » Wed Mar 9, 2016 5:22 am

SI says OJ is real involved with Giannis' development:

Antetokounmpo at the point also provides ample opportunity for him to post up smaller guards. Mayo has been instrumental in advising Antetokounmpo as a scorer—aside from challenging him to grab six rebounds per game this season—helping the phenom find spots on the floor most comfortable to attack from. Mayo, Antetokounmpo, Carter-Williams and Khris Middleton rotate playing one-on-one after practice, mostly in post-up situations.
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Post#440 » by HKPackFan » Wed Mar 9, 2016 7:20 am

Ayt wrote:
blazza18 wrote:http://www.si.com/nba/2016/03/08/giannis-antetokounmpo-milwaukee-bucks-jason-kidd-kobe-bryant

“I definitely knew one day we’d come back to it, once you know that I can do it,” Antetokounmpo says. “It’s different in the game, especially when Mike was starting. I couldn’t handle the ball more than Mike, because he’s our point guard.He’s in charge.


The bolded really pisses me off.


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This shows me Giannis is a team player. Even if the guy sucks Giannis let MCW take charge. It's still an admirable quality by Giannis. Now it's good he's been told, "It's your ball, go do it."
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