2016 Draft

[bwgood77]

Never too early to start scouting for that 2021 pick. High school freshman here.

www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=channel%3A56dd8e03-0000-2d47-9ead-94eb2c08cb3e&feature=iv&src_vid=UuYFy2TpLck&v=LR5IBdqHFNE

You need to be looking for 8th graders for that draft, unless you are hoping he stays in school two years, but nice find.

[DirtyDez]

Ferg is going to Baylor, or at least that is the rumour, and JJ looks more and more like Kansas bound with possibly Maker.

I am not so sure about Arizona's rotation with all those combo big guards.

Allen/Jackson-Cartwright
Simon/Simmons
Trier/Alkins
Smith/Markkanen
Ristic/Comanche

How would even Josh fit? Is Pitts gone for good?

Alkins was a silent commit which swayed crystal ball predictions from AZ to KU for Josh Jackson. All it is... Miller has been recruiting him for years and coached him with USA Basketball.

As for where JJ will fit I'm sure he'll play the 3-4 pushing Markkanen to stretch-5. We don't know what to expect from Ray Smith yet.

[reload141]

Celtics fan here - I come in peace!

Just wanted to get some sort of an idea if Phoenix stayed at 3 and Boston at 4 do you think a trade could be worked out so Boston gets the 3rd pick and Phoenix gets the 4th? What would it take? Or is Bender your guy at 3?

[saintEscaton]

Celtics fan here - I come in peace!

Just wanted to get some sort of an idea if Phoenix stayed at 3 and Boston at 4 do you think a trade could be worked out so Boston gets the 3rd pick and Phoenix gets the 4th? What would it take? Or is Bender your guy at 3?

2017 First Round Pick swap from Brooklyn.

[MathiasPW]

Celtics fan here - I come in peace!

Just wanted to get some sort of an idea if Phoenix stayed at 3 and Boston at 4 do you think a trade could be worked out so Boston gets the 3rd pick and Phoenix gets the 4th? What would it take? Or is Bender your guy at 3?

Assume you guys are looking at Bender. Suns have same weakness at PF, and are not willing to replace Bledsoe for Dunn.

So I don't think we'd be willing to do that trade unless we can ship Bledsoe along for nice young pieces so we make room for Dunn.

Brown is not an option at #3 or #4, imo

[ATTL]

With Len's play at power forward lately do you guys think he may be our 4 of the future like how Pau has center size but has been a 4 most of his career? Is him playing at 4 simply due to not having anyone better than Chandler that can play next to Len?

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[saintEscaton]

With Len's play at power forward lately do you guys think he may be our 4 of the future like how Pau has center size but has been a 4 most of his career? Is him playing at 4 simply due to not having anyone better than Chandler that can play next to Len?

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Long story short, no he's a center first and foremost. The Twin Towers froncourt isn't a sustainable formula for success, only works situationally

[reload141]

Celtics fan here - I come in peace!

Just wanted to get some sort of an idea if Phoenix stayed at 3 and Boston at 4 do you think a trade could be worked out so Boston gets the 3rd pick and Phoenix gets the 4th? What would it take? Or is Bender your guy at 3?

Assume you guys are looking at Bender. Suns have same weakness at PF, and are not willing to replace Bledsoe for Dunn.

So I don't think we'd be willing to do that trade unless we can ship Bledsoe along for nice young pieces so we make room for Dunn.

Brown is not an option at #3 or #4, imo

Totally understandable, I wasn't sure of the state of your roster so to hear you are having the same issue it would make sense to pick Bender!

Unless you think it might be likely you ship Bledsoe out, or do you think the FO wouldn't dare try to trade Bledsoe now?

[ATTL]

Celtics fan here - I come in peace!

Just wanted to get some sort of an idea if Phoenix stayed at 3 and Boston at 4 do you think a trade could be worked out so Boston gets the 3rd pick and Phoenix gets the 4th? What would it take? Or is Bender your guy at 3?

Assume you guys are looking at Bender. Suns have same weakness at PF, and are not willing to replace Bledsoe for Dunn.

So I don't think we'd be willing to do that trade unless we can ship Bledsoe along for nice young pieces so we make room for Dunn.

Brown is not an option at #3 or #4, imo

Totally understandable, I wasn't sure of the state of your roster so to hear you are having the same issue it would make sense to pick Bender!

Unless you think it might be likely you ship Bledsoe out, or do you think the FO wouldn't dare try to trade Bledsoe now?

Bledsoe's value probably isn't super high coming off the injury. If the suns were to move bledsoe it would be after he comes back and shows he's relatively healthy.

[MathiasPW]

Celtics fan here - I come in peace!

Just wanted to get some sort of an idea if Phoenix stayed at 3 and Boston at 4 do you think a trade could be worked out so Boston gets the 3rd pick and Phoenix gets the 4th? What would it take? Or is Bender your guy at 3?

Assume you guys are looking at Bender. Suns have same weakness at PF, and are not willing to replace Bledsoe for Dunn.

So I don't think we'd be willing to do that trade unless we can ship Bledsoe along for nice young pieces so we make room for Dunn.

Brown is not an option at #3 or #4, imo

Totally understandable, I wasn't sure of the state of your roster so to hear you are having the same issue it would make sense to pick Bender!

Unless you think it might be likely you ship Bledsoe out, or do you think the FO wouldn't dare try to trade Bledsoe now?

Hard to guess. Our GM has pulled some rabbits out of his hat. I do doubt he would make a lateral move (like Bledsoe for Teague or Conley, for example) or would trade an established PG to open a spot for an unproven rookie.

So it would have to be part of a greater scheme.

[bwgood77]

Celtics fan here - I come in peace!

Just wanted to get some sort of an idea if Phoenix stayed at 3 and Boston at 4 do you think a trade could be worked out so Boston gets the 3rd pick and Phoenix gets the 4th? What would it take? Or is Bender your guy at 3?

Assume you guys are looking at Bender. Suns have same weakness at PF, and are not willing to replace Bledsoe for Dunn.

So I don't think we'd be willing to do that trade unless we can ship Bledsoe along for nice young pieces so we make room for Dunn.

Brown is not an option at #3 or #4, imo

Totally understandable, I wasn't sure of the state of your roster so to hear you are having the same issue it would make sense to pick Bender!

Unless you think it might be likely you ship Bledsoe out, or do you think the FO wouldn't dare try to trade Bledsoe now?

I don't think they will look to trade Bledsoe right now. His value can't be great. Now if someone called up offering a deal that makes sense for him, that might be a different story. But there is too much risk for another team in doing that so I don't really see him going anywhere.

As for trading with Boston, who knows? Personally I'd take Bender, because I think it's a crapshoot after that, but for all I know McD could love Ellenson or Brown or Murray or someone he'd rather take at 4 while picking up an asset.

[saintEscaton]

Brown may not be a blue chipper but Bender isn't a lock for #3,he's far from a sure thing and I'm not sure whether he would be worth the investment/wait. He's yet to be put under the exhaustive lens of scrutiny with his sparing minutes. He's more of a cerebral big with high BBIQ and better end to end/ lateral mobility, handles and playmaking skills than than Porzingod, but not close to the freak physical specimen with out the uncanny outside stroke which limits his potential. His wingspan is 4 inches shorter which is a dealbreaker, doesn't exhibit the toughness to be an enforcer. He does have the defensive versatility and foot speed to recover and close out. But I don't think he will be able to guard positions 1-5 like some think

[bwgood77]

Brown may not be a blue chipper but Bender isn't a lock for #3,he's far from a sure thing and I'm not sure whether he would be worth the investment/wait.

Would you rather have Brown as our future 3 than Warren?

[saintEscaton]

Brown may not be a blue chipper but Bender isn't a lock for #3,he's far from a sure thing and I'm not sure whether he would be worth the investment/wait.

Would you rather have Brown as our future 3 than Warren?

If we can land Ingram I would be all over that , its a no contest. I would lean towards Brown slightly but its closer, we can platoon them at SF and TJ can get at least 30 minutes a game coming off the bench/coming in when Jaylen slides over to the small ball 4. I think TJ is the ideal 6th man, a low maintenance old skool microwave scorer who thrives off the ball as cutter. We need at least one prototypical two- way modern day NBA wing with length. Booker is our 2 guard of the future so can't have both of them being liabilities on the other end

[bwgood77]

I haven't watched these two play much, but why is Kris Dunn rated so much higher than Denzel Valentine?

Check out their #s.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62615/denzel-valentine

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61804/kris-dunn

Just from sheer #s, I guess it would be steal rate, considering that is supposed to be a good indicator of capable of transitioning to the nba, but everywhere else, Valentine seems to trump him.

Check out his numbers in his last game. http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400839334

[No-Man]

I haven't watched these two play much, but why is Kris Dunn rated so much higher than Denzel Valentine?

Check out their #s.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62615/denzel-valentine

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61804/kris-dunn

Just from sheer #s, I guess it would be steal rate, considering that is supposed to be a good indicator of capable of transitioning to the nba, but everywhere else, Valentine seems to trump him.

Dunn is in another stratosphere as an athlete, ballhandler, and defender.

[blee732]

I haven't watched these two play much, but why is Kris Dunn rated so much higher than Denzel Valentine?

Check out their #s.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62615/denzel-valentine

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61804/kris-dunn

Just from sheer #s, I guess it would be steal rate, considering that is supposed to be a good indicator of capable of transitioning to the nba, but everywhere else, Valentine seems to trump him.

Dunn is in another stratosphere as an athlete, ballhandler, and defender.

Also, even though they're roughly the same in age, Valentine has significantly more college game experience (140 vs 91 games). That's more than a full season. So Dunn has close to the same stats with significantly less experience and with less support around him.

That being said, Valentine is putting up some really impressive numbers this year. He's probably the better player now, but not the better prospect.

[JMac1]

Celtics fan here - I come in peace!

Just wanted to get some sort of an idea if Phoenix stayed at 3 and Boston at 4 do you think a trade could be worked out so Boston gets the 3rd pick and Phoenix gets the 4th? What would it take? Or is Bender your guy at 3?

Assume you guys are looking at Bender. Suns have same weakness at PF, and are not willing to replace Bledsoe for Dunn.

So I don't think we'd be willing to do that trade unless we can ship Bledsoe along for nice young pieces so we make room for Dunn.

Brown is not an option at #3 or #4, imo

Totally understandable, I wasn't sure of the state of your roster so to hear you are having the same issue it would make sense to pick Bender!

Unless you think it might be likely you ship Bledsoe out, or do you think the FO wouldn't dare try to trade Bledsoe now?

You can have Bender. A pick and swap spots. I'd prefer a younger version of Bledsoe but better protector of the ball and injury free and cheaper player like Dunn.

[bwgood77]

I haven't watched these two play much, but why is Kris Dunn rated so much higher than Denzel Valentine?

Check out their #s.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62615/denzel-valentine

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61804/kris-dunn

Just from sheer #s, I guess it would be steal rate, considering that is supposed to be a good indicator of capable of transitioning to the nba, but everywhere else, Valentine seems to trump him.

Dunn is in another stratosphere as an athlete, ballhandler, and defender.

Also, even though they're roughly the same in age, Valentine has significantly more college game experience (140 vs 91 games). That's more than a full season. So Dunn has close to the same stats with significantly less experience and with less support around him.

That being said, Valentine is putting up some really impressive numbers this year. He's probably the better player now, but not the better prospect.

It really seems like sometimes shooting is overlooked a bit too much and the wow athleticism factor often makes people overlook poor shooting a little too much.

I mean, yes, close in most of the stats, but Valentine is better across the board except steals/blocks, but particularly he is the better shooter. 45% from downtown vs 35%....and despite Valentine shooting quite a few more 3s, he still has a better overall fg% as well.

Not that it matters in the grand scheme of the draft. Dunn would be a first pick candidate for us depending on where we land (though I'd be really surprised if we took him) and Valentine would likely be a candidate at the Washington pick or if he were to slide (doubtful since Michigan St is a likely final four team so he will get a lot of exposure), the Cavs pick.

[JMac1]

I haven't watched these two play much, but why is Kris Dunn rated so much higher than Denzel Valentine?

Check out their #s.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/62615/denzel-valentine

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61804/kris-dunn

Just from sheer #s, I guess it would be steal rate, considering that is supposed to be a good indicator of capable of transitioning to the nba, but everywhere else, Valentine seems to trump him.

Check out his numbers in his last game. http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400839334

Have you not seen Dunn's handles, length, and athleticism?