2015-16 German Bundesliga Discussion Thread II

[Andi Obst]

I would like to see Hertha in Europa League, but they aren't ready for CL. Would like to see Dortmund, Bayern, and Wolfsburg occupy CL spots, with either Vizekusen or Schalke taking the last available spot. Gladbach + Hertha + Vizekusen/Schalke in the EL would give us the best chance of raising our UEFA coefficient

I agree, this team should not be playing CL. I'd be more than fine with the Europa League, but even that isn't going to happen if we keep playing like we did yesterday. A win on Friday vs Schalke would be huge.

[Det the Threat]

I would like to see Hertha in Europa League, but they aren't ready for CL. Would like to see Dortmund, Bayern, and Wolfsburg occupy CL spots, with either Vizekusen or Schalke taking the last available spot. Gladbach + Hertha + Vizekusen/Schalke in the EL would give us the best chance of raising our UEFA coefficient

Calling Wolfsburg in the CL a great chance of UEFA coefficiant is quite a bit of a reach.
They've gotten extremely lucky in the draw, first having Eindhoven from pot one, the rebuilding project that is Manchester United and Moscow in the group stages, while drawing Gent in the round of 16.
If they'd ever been in our group(and that was a real possibility as they were thrown next to last from pot 4 and got group B, while we got the one left) I doubt they'd ever made it out of the group stages.

Next to Dortmund and Bayern no Bundesliga team is a safe bet for the CL.
Wolfsburg aren't that great, Schalke's crap and will have a new manger/system next season and I'm pretty sure Leverkusen could also change managers.
Hertha would have a tough time, just as Mainz and we'll most likely have to re-work our team again, with Nordtveit and, most likely, Xhaka being gone in the summer.
And if we'd finish fourth, I'm pretty sure we'd be drawing City or Arsenal, as that's what we usually do.

BTW: What you don't want to happen is Hertha or Mainz finish fourth, because I doubt that either of them would have a chance to win those playoff games.

[TyrusRose2425]

I would like to see Hertha in Europa League, but they aren't ready for CL. Would like to see Dortmund, Bayern, and Wolfsburg occupy CL spots, with either Vizekusen or Schalke taking the last available spot. Gladbach + Hertha + Vizekusen/Schalke in the EL would give us the best chance of raising our UEFA coefficient

Calling Wolfsburg in the CL a great chance of UEFA coefficiant is quite a bit of a reach.
They've gotten extremely lucky in the draw, first having Eindhoven from pot one, the rebuilding project that is Manchester United and Moscow in the group stages, while drawing Gent in the round of 16.
If they'd ever been in our group(and that was a real possibility as they were thrown next to last from pot 4 and got group B, while we got the one left) I doubt they'd ever made it out of the group stages.

Next to Dortmund and Bayern no Bundesliga team is a safe bet for the CL.
Wolfsburg aren't that great, Schalke's crap and will have a new manger/system next season and I'm pretty sure Leverkusen could also change managers.
Hertha would have a tough time, just as Mainz and we'll most likely have to re-work our team again, with Nordtveit and, most likely, Xhaka being gone in the summer.
And if we'd finish fourth, I'm pretty sure we'd be drawing City or Arsenal, as that's what we usually do.

BTW: What you don't want to happen is Hertha or Mainz finish fourth, because I doubt that either of them would have a chance to win those playoff games.

The thing with Wolfsburg is that they have the money to invest. The bank isn't as large because of the VW scandal, but I remember reading that they would be in favor of purchasing younger up and coming stars to later sell for profit. Breer Embolo is a guy that comes to mind. I can't see that happening with them in EL. With that said, I can agree that you could add Wolfburg with Vizekusen and Schalke where you want 2 of those 3 clubs occupying the last 2 spots.

[Det the Threat]

The thing with Wolfsburg is that they have the money to invest. The bank isn't as large because of the VW scandal, but I remember reading that they would be in favor of purchasing younger up and coming stars to later sell for profit. Breer Embolo is a guy that comes to mind. I can't see that happening with them in EL. With that said, I can agree that you could add Wolfburg with Vizekusen and Schalke where you want 2 of those 3 clubs occupying the last 2 spots.

I never said I wanted any of those three in the CL and would rather selfishly have us participate instead.
Though, I doubt that's going to happen with our defensive problems and troubles away from Borussia Park.

I'm also not so sure about Wolfsburg.
VW will have to release workers and is currently in trouble. Investing millions in football would look really bad there and I'm also not so sure about them and younger players.
They've done the opposite in the past and Embolo has turned them down twice already, even though Wolfsburg offered way over €20M for his services.
I guess he'll go straight to the EPL in the summer, or maybe join Dortmund, if they sell Aubameyang for an outragious price tag.

And I'm also not so sure why Leverkusen should go to the CL at all. They always sh** their pants as soon as a somewhat bigger name is drawn against them and they don't do anything at all.
Being out of that group with just six points and only one win(against Borisov) was a joke.

[Foye]

I can already see the script.

We qualify for Europa League. Then all the wealthy German and English sharks arrive tearing our successful team completely apart and we are knocked out in qualification or group stage again because the newly acquired roster isn't likely to perform well in that short amount of time.

We're probably gonna end up with 50 mil. on the bank account in the offseason but nothing on the pitch if the team continues to play like this.

[King Julien]

I can already see the script.

We qualify for Europa League. Then all the wealthy German and English sharks arrive tearing our successful team completely apart and we are knocked out in qualification or group stage again because the newly acquired roster isn't likely to perform well in that short amount of time.

We're probably gonna end up with 50 mil. on the bank account in the offseason but nothing on the pitch if the team continues to play like this.

What do you think of Yunus Malli?

[cgf]

Malli will be a good back up to Mkhitaryan for BVB next season.

And we really need BMG to take 3rd. They play beautiful football, their fans travel extremely well and they represent the league well; especially if they are healthier on defense next season. If Xhaka leaves, they'll need to replace him somehow; but Dahoud is a boss and Hazard getting back into the side will help buffer them for Granit's departure.

[Foye]

I can already see the script.

We qualify for Europa League. Then all the wealthy German and English sharks arrive tearing our successful team completely apart and we are knocked out in qualification or group stage again because the newly acquired roster isn't likely to perform well in that short amount of time.

We're probably gonna end up with 50 mil. on the bank account in the offseason but nothing on the pitch if the team continues to play like this.

What do you think of Yunus Malli?

He has made great strides of improvement past two years. Especially, in finishing. He still disappears sometimes, though. But not as often as he used to in the past.
Overall, solid player but don't think he has the potential to be anything more than a rotational guy or fringe starter at a big club.

[DD12]

So the team that you guys have been making fun of beat all your teams. Good for you No_20.

[Det the Threat]

Borussia Mönchengladbach will hold a press conference tomorrow afternoon.
Participants will be sporting director Max Eberl and Martin Stranzl.

I'm pretty sure Stranzl will announce his retirement in this one and the club might be telling how(at which role) they want to keep him around.

It's too bad for Martin, but the guy will turn 36 this summer and those injuries show that his body isn't going to allow him to keep on playing. After all, he's only been able to play 71 minutes this season.

[No_20]

Looks like Niko Kovac will be the new Frannkfurt coach.

Kovac isnt as good as Bilic but still a much better choice than Gisdol, Keller or other scrubs that were considered.

[cgf]

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bahahaha Oh Niko. I wish you luck, but at least we won't have to deal with Frankfurt being in the first league for too much longer.

[Foye]

Doesn't seem to give a damn about tactics. Guess he fits well in Frankfurt then.
My guess is he'll probably gonna help them short-term but flop long-term.

[cgf]

Thus the too much longer part of my post. They're likely to be better off getting relegated and hiring a real coach, while turning to their youth; than surviving and keeping Niko on for next season.

[Foye]

Thus the too much longer part of my post. They're likely to be better off getting relegated and hiring a real coach, while turning to their youth; than surviving and keeping Niko on for next season.

I don't understand what they are doing anyway.

Apparently, they asked Metzelder to be replacement for Bruchhagen, too.What if he would've taken the job?
Then they would've had two newbies (assuming Kovac stays) and Hübner (who hasn't exactly shown he is capable of assembling a good roster) to construct your roster. Receipt for disaster.

[No_20]

How many great tacticians are there really in the Bundesliga anyway. You have Guardiola, Tuchel, Schmidt, Nagelsmann. Apart from those it's mainly these "Herz und Leidenschaft"-managers.

I think he'll do fine. It's almost impossible to manage the Croatia NT. Their best players dont give a sh*t, which is the reason why he made those quotes.

[Foye]

How many great tacticians are there really in the Bundesliga anyway. You have Guardiola, Tuchel, Schmidt, Nagelsmann. Apart from those it's mainly these "Herz und Leidenschaft"-managers.

I think he'll do fine. It's almost impossible to manage the Croatia NT. Their best players dont give a sh*t, which is the reason why he made those quotes.

Which Schmidt do you mean? Certainly not Roger Schmidt right? What he is doing is not tactics it's planned suicide. Look at his records at Salzburg or Leverkusen. He always failed in important matches whether Bundesliga, CL or EL. No wonder since he doesn't even have the quality of players available that would be required for the style he wants to play at to be successful.

He would need a Barca or Bayern roster to be successful with his suicidal high pressing approach.

[Det the Threat]

How many great tacticians are there really in the Bundesliga anyway. You have Guardiola, Tuchel, Schmidt, Nagelsmann. Apart from those it's mainly these "Herz und Leidenschaft"-managers.

I think he'll do fine. It's almost impossible to manage the Croatia NT. Their best players dont give a sh*t, which is the reason why he made those quotes.

So after three games in the Bundesliga(which of them being an a$$ whopping at Stuttgart) Nagelsmann's already a "great tactician"?

I know it might sound crazy but if you look at Schubert and the way we're switching systems currently, he might also be "great tactician" if those silly mistakes would be cut down...

[No_20]

How many great tacticians are there really in the Bundesliga anyway. You have Guardiola, Tuchel, Schmidt, Nagelsmann. Apart from those it's mainly these "Herz und Leidenschaft"-managers.

I think he'll do fine. It's almost impossible to manage the Croatia NT. Their best players dont give a sh*t, which is the reason why he made those quotes.

Which Schmidt do you mean? Certainly not Roger Schmidt right? What he is doing is not tactics it's planned suicide. Look at his records at Salzburg or Leverkusen. He always failed in important matches whether Bundesliga, CL or EL. No wonder since he doesn't even have the quality of players available that would be required for the style he wants to play at to be successful.

He would need a Barca or Bayern roster to be successful with his suicidal high pressing approach.

Roger Schmidt. He is good, man. See how he always outcoaches Guardiola when they meet. Leverkusen dominated Barca in both game this season as well. They are still in the EL and if they beat Villarreal they could go all the way.

[No_20]

How many great tacticians are there really in the Bundesliga anyway. You have Guardiola, Tuchel, Schmidt, Nagelsmann. Apart from those it's mainly these "Herz und Leidenschaft"-managers.

I think he'll do fine. It's almost impossible to manage the Croatia NT. Their best players dont give a sh*t, which is the reason why he made those quotes.

So after three games in the Bundesliga(which of them being an a$$ whopping at Stuttgart) Nagelsmann's already a "great tactician"?

I know it might sound crazy but if you look at Schubert and the way we're switching systems currently, he might also be "great tactician" if those silly mistakes would be cut down...

I'm hearing very good things from people who knows Nagelsmann. He is the next thing.

Schubert cant set-up a defence.