The Andrew Wiggins Thread

[NewWolvesOrder]

I don't think we Wiggins to average 25 ppg, what we need is him to live up to his defensive potential. Offensively give me 22-23 ppg on a .55 TS combined with a good to great defensive play and that's a perennial all-star and a great fit with Towns.

I think they develop Wiggins ass backwards. He should be developed like Kawhi and P.George. They started from defensive role player, developed that side of the ball and slowly evolved into offensive and complete stars. Flip/Smitch got it into his head that he's the offensive star who has to carry the offensive load, while he's got no skillset for it, and his defense is mostly neglected. They overwoked him on offense and he's got not energy for defense.
With the offensive emergence of KAT and LaVine his touches on offense need to be scaled down and he must be given big defensive assignments. No more Prince covering his ass there.

[Zeitgeister]

Derozan comps are not what I'd consider his upside but rather the most realistic outcome, which is really what matters the most because I would say it's extremely rare to reach your ceiling. Wiggins will impact the game slightly different than Derozan, he'll probably be a better scorer but he I'm not sure he'll have the passing ability that Derozan has.

You also are acting like a ceiling of Kawhi or PG would be a bad thing. Kawhi in particular is awesome, a top 5 player in the league.

Why would Wiggins suddenly nearly double his rebounding production? Andrew is probably in his athletic prime right now, why would he suddenly double it?

Also, 5 assists a game would require him to improve his passing significantly. That would be more than double his current assist production. He would have to develop tremendous passing skills which he currently has not shown. I'm not saying that's impossible but it doesn't seem likely.

Rebounding is not about athletic ability. It's about desire, timing, boxing out, and putting yourself in a position to rebound. Kevin Love has proven that. Rubio, too. I'm not saying I would expect Wiggins to double his rebounding but he can definitely improve and be a better rebounder later in his career when he is (presumably) smarter and stronger.

It's certainly possible to be a good rebounder with those things while lacking athleticism but there is no question athleticism can and does help many people rebound well.

[Zeitgeister]

Why would Wiggins suddenly nearly double his rebounding production? Andrew is probably in his athletic prime right now, why would he suddenly double it?

Am I the only one to think that Wiggins rebounding is a product of the system ? After a shot and when the possession starts, he's most of the time the furthest from the basket and the guy who's charged to run the floor while other crashes the board.
The classic scheme is 1. get the rebound 2. give the ball to Rubio whenever he is 3. Rubio looks if the transition offense is possible 4. It's not (since the scheme leaves time to the defense to recover) and Rubio starts the halfcourt offense.

You're not but I don't think that's right. Sam has criticized his rebounding, after all. It's not like he's releasing to be available on fast breaks, it's sometimes quite the opposite. Sometimes Rubio gets down the court and he's waiting for Wiggins to cross the half court line.

[YourBuddy]

Give it time. His defensive numbers will come around as he learns to play better rotation and team defense. It's just the next player in line for the Wolves overly critical bus. It happened to Ricky, Zach, Andrew and will probably to KAT if he doesn't sprout wings and a halo as a 21 year old.

[ace625214]

I don't think we Wiggins to average 25 ppg, what we need is him to live up to his defensive potential. Offensively give me 22-23 ppg on a .55 TS combined with a good to great defensive play and that's a perennial all-star and a great fit with Towns.

I think they develop Wiggins ass backwards. He should be developed like Kawhi and P.George. They started from defensive role player, developed that side of the ball and slowly evolved into offensive and complete stars. Flip/Smitch got it into his head that he's the offensive star who has to carry the offensive load, while he's got no skillset for it, and his defense is mostly neglected. They overwoked him on offense and he's got not energy for defense.
With the offensive emergence of KAT and LaVine his touches on offense need to be scaled down and he must be given big defensive assignments. No more Prince covering his ass there.

Kawhi and PG started out as late picks on very good teams. They didn't have to score, because the teams they were on already could score. They could focus on small roles and slowly build. Andrew didn't really have that option. With how the team was last year, he had to come in and score immediately. It's like Alex Smith going first to the 49ers and Aaron Rodgers going late to the Packers. Smith got thrown in the fire on a bad team and got killed. Rodgers got to sit back and develop while on a good team.

[NewWolvesOrder]

I don't think we Wiggins to average 25 ppg, what we need is him to live up to his defensive potential. Offensively give me 22-23 ppg on a .55 TS combined with a good to great defensive play and that's a perennial all-star and a great fit with Towns.

I think they develop Wiggins ass backwards. He should be developed like Kawhi and P.George. They started from defensive role player, developed that side of the ball and slowly evolved into offensive and complete stars. Flip/Smitch got it into his head that he's the offensive star who has to carry the offensive load, while he's got no skillset for it, and his defense is mostly neglected. They overwoked him on offense and he's got not energy for defense.
With the offensive emergence of KAT and LaVine his touches on offense need to be scaled down and he must be given big defensive assignments. No more Prince covering his ass there.

Kawhi and PG started out as late picks on very good teams. They didn't have to score, because the teams they were on already could score. They could focus on small roles and slowly build. Andrew didn't really have that option. With how the team was last year, he had to come in and score immediately. It's like Alex Smith going first to the 49ers and Aaron Rodgers going late to the Packers. Smith got thrown in the fire on a bad team and got killed. Rodgers got to sit back and develop while on a good team.

It still doesn't change the fact that the guy is undergoing flawed development. Guys like Kawhi, PG, Butler are the golden standard of new wave of elite wings and they started from defense. Of course there are guys like Lebron and Durant who did the opposite but Wiggins isn't in their league skill wise or even physically. He's made of the same cloth as the first trio..

[ace625214]

Spoiler:

I think they develop Wiggins ass backwards. He should be developed like Kawhi and P.George. They started from defensive role player, developed that side of the ball and slowly evolved into offensive and complete stars. Flip/Smitch got it into his head that he's the offensive star who has to carry the offensive load, while he's got no skillset for it, and his defense is mostly neglected. They overwoked him on offense and he's got not energy for defense.
With the offensive emergence of KAT and LaVine his touches on offense need to be scaled down and he must be given big defensive assignments. No more Prince covering his ass there.

Kawhi and PG started out as late picks on very good teams. They didn't have to score, because the teams they were on already could score. They could focus on small roles and slowly build. Andrew didn't really have that option. With how the team was last year, he had to come in and score immediately. It's like Alex Smith going first to the 49ers and Aaron Rodgers going late to the Packers. Smith got thrown in the fire on a bad team and got killed. Rodgers got to sit back and develop while on a good team.

It still doesn't change the fact that the guy is undergoing flawed development. Guys like Kawhi, PG, Butler are the golden standard of new wave of elite wings and they started from defense. Of course there are guys like Lebron and Durant who did the opposite but Wiggins isn't in their league skill wise or even pgysically. He's made of the same cloth as the first trio..

Oh I agree that for a more well-rounded player that's a better way to go about it. It just wasn't really possible on this team. You would have had to tell people to not pass it to the better scorer because he's supposed to be focusing on defense.

[minimus]

Give it time. His defensive numbers will come around as he learns to play better rotation and team defense. It's just the next player in line for the Wolves overly critical bus. It happened to Ricky, Zach, Andrew and will probably to KAT if he doesn't sprout wings and a halo as a 21 year old.

I agree, but he needs to be in right environment to be able to do it. It starts with head coach, coaching staff, management. It is hard to do it within current Wolves situation (ownership, interim HC, KG not playing, but still earning significant money).

[Crazy-Canuck]

Somewhat surprising stat considering many think he has no impact on the floor.

One interesting detail about Wiggins’ third quarter was that he took over Ricky Rubio’s spot as the team’s on/off differential king. Wiggins had the best “on” rating of (+0.8), and the worst “off” rating of (-10.8). That the Wolves played 11.6 points per 100 possessions better with Wiggins than they did without him is a new trend for him, as he’s been kind of middle-of-the-pack in that statistical category.

http://punchdrunkwolves.com/2016/03/09/3rd-quarter-report-card/#more-9302

[Worm Guts]

Somewhat surprising stat considering many think he has no impact on the floor.

One interesting detail about Wiggins’ third quarter was that he took over Ricky Rubio’s spot as the team’s on/off differential king. Wiggins had the best “on” rating of (+0.8), and the worst “off” rating of (-10.8). That the Wolves played 11.6 points per 100 possessions better with Wiggins than they did without him is a new trend for him, as he’s been kind of middle-of-the-pack in that statistical category.

http://punchdrunkwolves.com/2016/03/09/3rd-quarter-report-card/#more-9302

I'm not really sure what this is. I'm not sure if he's using some specific conditions, but it's only through 21 games.
Through the season, Rubio is still a +9.8 compared Wiggins at +4.0

EDIT- I think I get it now, it's through the 3rd quarter of the season. Specifically considering only games 41-61 (or something)

[Crazy-Canuck]

Somewhat surprising stat considering many think he has no impact on the floor.

One interesting detail about Wiggins’ third quarter was that he took over Ricky Rubio’s spot as the team’s on/off differential king. Wiggins had the best “on” rating of (+0.8), and the worst “off” rating of (-10.8). That the Wolves played 11.6 points per 100 possessions better with Wiggins than they did without him is a new trend for him, as he’s been kind of middle-of-the-pack in that statistical category.

http://punchdrunkwolves.com/2016/03/09/3rd-quarter-report-card/#more-9302

I'm not really sure what this is. I'm not sure if he's using some specific conditions, but it's only through 21 games.
Through the season, Rubio is still a +9.8 compared Wiggins at +4.0

EDIT- I think I get it now, it's through the 3rd quarter of the season. Specifically considering only games 41-61 (or something)

Its based on 21 games. I read it as the on off splits are something normally dominated by rubio, but for the first time it wasnt. Also,Wiggins is finding ways to be a positive when people have generally considered him a net negative so far this season.

[Mrva]

Somewhat surprising stat considering many think he has no impact on the floor.



http://punchdrunkwolves.com/2016/03/09/3rd-quarter-report-card/#more-9302

I'm not really sure what this is. I'm not sure if he's using some specific conditions, but it's only through 21 games.
Through the season, Rubio is still a +9.8 compared Wiggins at +4.0

EDIT- I think I get it now, it's through the 3rd quarter of the season. Specifically considering only games 41-61 (or something)

Its based on 21 games. I read it as the on off splits are something normally dominated by rubio, but for the first time it wasnt. Also,Wiggins is finding ways to be a positive when people have generally considered him a net negative so far this season.

If he could only box out and catch a few more rebounds

[Zeitgeister]

Somewhat surprising stat considering many think he has no impact on the floor.



http://punchdrunkwolves.com/2016/03/09/3rd-quarter-report-card/#more-9302

I'm not really sure what this is. I'm not sure if he's using some specific conditions, but it's only through 21 games.
Through the season, Rubio is still a +9.8 compared Wiggins at +4.0

EDIT- I think I get it now, it's through the 3rd quarter of the season. Specifically considering only games 41-61 (or something)

Its based on 21 games. I read it as the on off splits are something normally dominated by rubio, but for the first time it wasnt. Also,Wiggins is finding ways to be a positive when people have generally considered him a net negative so far this season.

We’ll have to see over a larger sample size if it is just noise, or if he’s beginning to positively impact game outcomes in ways that his teammates are not.

Also Wiggins has been a significantly more efficient scorer than normal the past 15 games or so, I imagine that has something to do with it.

[Killboard]

Also Wiggins has been a significantly more efficient scorer than normal the past 15 games or so, I imagine that has something to do with it.

I didnt any research, but I think his efficiency was damaged playing with Prince. Now that Lavine is playing beside him, not only opens the floor but they share the scoring load too.

[vagelis]

What a performance tonight!
He improves his game every day.
There is a big difference between his handles and dribbling this year from the previous year.
He creates a lot more this year.
He will definetely be a top-10 player but his ceiling is to be the best

[AttackTheRack]

He's the Real Deal, Holyfeel. He was raw coming in. Still raw. But when the 3 ball, the handles, and the body mass, come? Unstoppable.

[Klomp]

When Wiggins attacks, he can be a special offensve player. That's what we saw most of the second half of last season, and we saw glimpses of it last night.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPDK_Y36Y84[/youtube]

1:05
4:15
5:13
6:05

I don't know if it's laziness, fatigue or what, but we don't see him attacking nearly enough.

[TheGeekFreak]

He's starting to remind me of Dr. J the way he drives to da hoop. I am going to start calling him Dr. A

[Murphs56]

I want to see more of him driving to the basket and finding the open shooter. Will be great when the Wolves have actual shooters for him to do this as well

[fattymcgee]

He's the Real Deal, Holyfeel. He was raw coming in. Still raw. But when the 3 ball, the handles, and the body mass, come? Unstoppable.

FYI - It's "The Real Deal Holyfield", as in Evander Holyfield.