Rookie Discussion Thread

[EvanZ]

2nd place ROY is going to be one of:

Booker
Porzingis
Jokic
Russell

I'm not sure which one. I suspect the voters will give it to Porzingis.

I think I might lean towards Booker. But I could easily be persuaded to take any of those 4 guys 2nd to Towns.

What's the argument for Booker over Porzingis at this point? Porzingis has easily been better on both sides of the ball. Maybe Booker catches him offensively by seasons end but defensively Porzingis is a monster and he's still the most impactful rookie (even as he's slumping) thanks to his stellar defensive play all year long.

Porzingis is more impactful on defense than Towns? Look, I know you are a Knicks fan, so this is going to fall on deaf ears...but gimme a break.

[brutalitops]

Western Conference Rookie guards over the past 5 games:

• Booker 28.4 ppg /49 fg% / 36% 3fg / 5 apg / 3 rpg
• Mudiay 21.6 ppg / 46 fg% / 44% 3fg / 6.4 apg / 4.6 rpg
• Russell 20.6 ppg / 42 fg% / 34% 3fg/ 4.8 apg / 1.6 spg

These guys are giving KAT a run for his money as Western Conference Rookie of the Month in March.

They've given him more competition but it's not really close IMO. KAT is putting up 22/10 in March in much better efficiency than the other 3.

I hadn't realized Mudiay had been THAT impressive so far. Dos Russell deserve to be ahead of him? Not really according to March at least. Or perhaps all three should be all rookie first team and instead of Winslow or Okafor.

Not sure, but would have to look at the other guys' #s closer first.

To be Frank, I think Mudiay has struggled a bit, HE does belong in this league, and it's hard to be thrown in and asked to run a team at 20, However thats where it stops, He;s been inefficient as hell, All i could say if he seems like a very good feel for the game, his pick and roll game shows huge promise. However so far this month he's had a string of good games

[E-Balla]

2nd place ROY is going to be one of:

Booker
Porzingis
Jokic
Russell

I'm not sure which one. I suspect the voters will give it to Porzingis.

I think I might lean towards Booker. But I could easily be persuaded to take any of those 4 guys 2nd to Towns.

What's the argument for Booker over Porzingis at this point? Porzingis has easily been better on both sides of the ball. Maybe Booker catches him offensively by seasons end but defensively Porzingis is a monster and he's still the most impactful rookie (even as he's slumping) thanks to his stellar defensive play all year long.

Porzingis is more impactful on defense than Towns? Look, I know you are a Knicks fan, so this is going to fall on deaf ears...but gimme a break.

I've already learned at this point that citing actual numbers will just lead to people calling me a hater without even taking them into consideration but if you're "objective" and don't clearly see Porzingis is a better defender you don't watch either of them play because Towns has a long way to go defensively and Porzingis' main issues seem to be physical.

[E-Balla]

2nd place ROY is going to be one of:

Booker
Porzingis
Jokic
Russell

I'm not sure which one. I suspect the voters will give it to Porzingis.

I think I might lean towards Booker. But I could easily be persuaded to take any of those 4 guys 2nd to Towns.

What's the argument for Booker over Porzingis at this point? Porzingis has easily been better on both sides of the ball. Maybe Booker catches him offensively by seasons end but defensively Porzingis is a monster and he's still the most impactful rookie (even as he's slumping) thanks to his stellar defensive play all year long.

Most impactful between him and Booker? Or most impactful overall?

Cause there's no way he's more impactful than Towns.

Yes, the Wolves are a few games worse than the Knicks. But the Knicks are also a bottom 7 team.

Not going through this again but there's 2 sides to the ball and Towns has a lot of work to put in on D.

[Piecake]

What's the argument for Booker over Porzingis at this point? Porzingis has easily been better on both sides of the ball. Maybe Booker catches him offensively by seasons end but defensively Porzingis is a monster and he's still the most impactful rookie (even as he's slumping) thanks to his stellar defensive play all year long.

Porzingis is more impactful on defense than Towns? Look, I know you are a Knicks fan, so this is going to fall on deaf ears...but gimme a break.

I've already learned at this point that citing actual numbers will just lead to people calling me a hater without even taking them into consideration but if you're "objective" and don't clearly see Porzingis is a better defender you don't watch either of them play because Towns has a long way to go defensively and Porzingis' main issues seem to be physical.

I never knew that all you had to do to be 'objective' is to cherry pick one stat and milk it for all its worth.

[E-Balla]

Porzingis is more impactful on defense than Towns? Look, I know you are a Knicks fan, so this is going to fall on deaf ears...but gimme a break.

I've already learned at this point that citing actual numbers will just lead to people calling me a hater without even taking them into consideration but if you're "objective" and don't clearly see Porzingis is a better defender you don't watch either of them play because Towns has a long way to go defensively and Porzingis' main issues seem to be physical.

I never knew that all you had to do to be 'objective' is to cherry pick one stat and milk it for all its worth.

What stat? I'd be glad to hear your incredible and most likely well thought out and researched opinion on these two.

[Piecake]

I've already learned at this point that citing actual numbers will just lead to people calling me a hater without even taking them into consideration but if you're "objective" and don't clearly see Porzingis is a better defender you don't watch either of them play because Towns has a long way to go defensively and Porzingis' main issues seem to be physical.

I never knew that all you had to do to be 'objective' is to cherry pick one stat and milk it for all its worth.

What stat? I'd be glad to hear your incredible and most likely well thought out and researched opinion on these two.

Whats the point? I've heard your argument before, and I don't think it is worth my time arguing with a person who has made it up his mind and has absolutely no desire to change it. You seek out these arguments constantly and you even went into a Towns thread and argued that because Porzingas DRPM is better than Towns (or it could have been a different statistic), and no matter the argument of the other people you just keep on hammering home that one statistic to 'prove' that Porzingas is far superior on defense to Towns.

You honestly just come across as a massive and delusional Porzingas homer because you ignore the arguments for Towns, go back to that one statistic, and constantly bring it up (like you are doing now).

[E-Balla]

I never knew that all you had to do to be 'objective' is to cherry pick one stat and milk it for all its worth.

What stat? I'd be glad to hear your incredible and most likely well thought out and researched opinion on these two.

Whats the point? I've heard your argument before, and I don't think it is worth my time arguing with a person who has made it up his mind and has absolutely no desire to change it. You seek out these arguments constantly and you even went into a Towns thread and argued that because Porzingas DRPM is better than Towns (or it could have been a different statistic), and no matter the argument of the other people you just keep on hammering home that one statistic to 'prove' that Porzingas is far superior on defense to Towns.

You honestly just come across as a massive and delusional Porzingas homer because you ignore the arguments for Towns, go back to that one statistic, and constantly bring it up (like you are doing now).

DRPM? First off I never use DRPM. Secondly I don't even use single statistics when measuring defense its dumb. Lastly I was talking about Porzingis compared to Booker and other people brought up Towns. If you have an issue with Towns being brought up speak to them.

And I never ignore the argument for Towns (he just has no argument outside of the boxscore to even discuss) to go back to one number that's just as dumb as the rest of your post. Log off if you don't want to see well informed opinions that don't mesh with your feelings or better yet don't quote me.

[Tzar]

Per 36 numbers between D'Angelo Russell and Steph Curry look pretty interesting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2016&p1=russeda01&y2=2010&p2=curryst01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

[cyclix]

Josh Richardson tonight:

9-12 FG | 4-6 3-PT | 22 PTS | 4 AST | 2 TRB | 1 STL

Outscored the Bulls in the 4th quarter.

[Goudelock]

Per 36 numbers between D'Angelo Russell and Steph Curry look pretty interesting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2016&p1=russeda01&y2=2010&p2=curryst01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

1; This is cool, but....................................

2: People are going to freak out over this because it's comparing Russell to Curry.

3: That comp need to go away for a few years.

[QUIZ]

Per 36 numbers between D'Angelo Russell and Steph Curry look pretty interesting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2016&p1=russeda01&y2=2010&p2=curryst01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

FT shooting stands out. Generally a good indication of how good of a shooter a player is.

[brutalitops]

Kat with the bucket to put wolves up 16 seconds to go

On the other end Blocks Durant with 10 seconds to go. Weird review afterwards

[Catchall]

Remember when MCW won ROY and Trey Burke made an All Rookie team? Good times.

[brutalitops]

Remember when MCW won ROY and Trey Burke made an All Rookie team? Good times.

Looking at the Second team isn't bad

I think Dieng/Adams/Zeller/Olynyk/Giannis would do the all rookie team named that year by 30. even playing Olynuk at the 2

[QUIZ]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN9bAEdQO5s[/youtube]

Our 2nd round pick. He's been playing really well since the All Star break.

[HoopsterJones]

I think the 2015 Draft Class may go down as the best in the past decade. Not just the top level talent. But the quantity of quality players.

KAT
DLO
Okafor
Porzingis
Hezonja
WCS
Mudiay
Stanley Johnson
Winslow
Myles Turner
Trey Lyles
Devin Booker
Cameron Payne
Bobby Portis

[DaGawd]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39biqvVhrVQ[/youtube]

[colman38]

Per 36 numbers between D'Angelo Russell and Steph Curry look pretty interesting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2016&p1=russeda01&y2=2010&p2=curryst01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

FT shooting stands out. Generally a good indication of how good of a shooter a player is.

He changed his free throw stance as of the Warriors game and it seems to be working so far. Dude can clearly shoot the ball.

[laika]

Per 36 numbers between D'Angelo Russell and Steph Curry look pretty interesting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2016&p1=russeda01&y2=2010&p2=curryst01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

It's not that interesting.
Curry as a rookie-
Way better 3 point shooter.
Much more efficient scorer.
Significantly better advanced stats.
Significantly better passer.

There is very little indication that Russell's peak will be anywhere close to Curry.