Ben Simmons

[HeartBreakKid]

Pretty much.. Guys only look at the outliers like Rubio who seemingly never get better..
But how many countless guys have become incredibly better from College to NBA at shooting.. you cant count them.. Hell even MKG with his horrible Shootin Form has a decent Mid range Game now!!

This doesn't make any sense...players like Rubio are the norm not the exception. And really, MKG is your best example? He's still not a shooter...being able to hit a decent amount of open mid range shots on low volume is hardly indicative of anything other than he improved (and for a small forward, that is still bad). Improvement =\ becoming a threat as a shooter, which Simmons needs to be if he wants his style to work properly.

Are you watching the same NBA as i am?

Players like Rubio are the norm? I highly doubt that... There are alot more players improving at shooting then people who never even improve a bit.
Hell even a guy like Rondo hits over 30% of his threes now..

My MKG example was ment to show that even a guy with a totally broken jumpshot can still become better at shooting: my Point.. When a guy with a broken Jumper like MKG can get better(does not matter if he is still below average he was a total non shooter before so even sub par shooting is better then no shooting at all) why should i expect Ben who has a mechanically fine Jumper and is working on his shot everyday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEFygilo3Sw can't`?

But your argument doesn't really make sense...

They don't have learning disabilities, obviously their jump shot will improve after years of training, every asset of a players game improves from when they're 18, that isn't actually saying anything.

But their weakness of being a nonshooter...would still remain. I mean really, your argument about improving to 30% only emphasizes the point that people who have a weakness of shooting usually have the weakness of shooting through out most of their careers, improving from really bad to just bad is still...bad. A lot of perimeter players still have the weakness of not being able to shoot.

[crazy_me_87]

This doesn't make any sense...players like Rubio are the norm not the exception. And really, MKG is your best example? He's still not a shooter...being able to hit a decent amount of open mid range shots on low volume is hardly indicative of anything other than he improved (and for a small forward, that is still bad). Improvement =\ becoming a threat as a shooter, which Simmons needs to be if he wants his style to work properly.

Are you watching the same NBA as i am?

Players like Rubio are the norm? I highly doubt that... There are alot more players improving at shooting then people who never even improve a bit.
Hell even a guy like Rondo hits over 30% of his threes now..

My MKG example was ment to show that even a guy with a totally broken jumpshot can still become better at shooting: my Point.. When a guy with a broken Jumper like MKG can get better(does not matter if he is still below average he was a total non shooter before so even sub par shooting is better then no shooting at all) why should i expect Ben who has a mechanically fine Jumper and is working on his shot everyday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEFygilo3Sw can't`?

But your argument doesn't really make sense...

They don't have learning disabilities, obviously their jump shot will improve after years of training, every asset of a players game improves from when they're 18, that isn't actually saying anything.

But their weakness of being a nonshooter...would still remain. I mean really, your argument about improving to 30% only emphasizes the point that people who have a weakness of shooting usually have the weakness of shooting through out most of their careers, improving from really bad to just bad is still...bad. A lot of perimeter players still have the weakness of not being able to shoot.

Look at Blake,Giannis, and Hell even Lebron right now.. Bad to average shooting Point Forwards.. all doing damn well with Giannis being on an explosion i have no reason to believe Ben cant play like Giannis right now.

If you are Elite at getting to the rim,fast as hell with great Handles in Transition,strong enough to drop a few point in the Post.. you can as you see with aforementioned Players be very sucsessfull in the NBA.

And yes i do rate Ben as simillar Talent as Blake or Giannis.. not Lebron on a talent Level of course.

Ben shooting 30% from three would of course mean he is still a bad shooter.. but for him becoming a bad to below average shooter is more then enough.
Look.. Westbrook is only shooting 30% from three.. but he takes them because the defense has to honor him or he will go 3/9 on threes on them.. not effiecent but still 9 Points in that situation he would not have if he could not shoot the three at all.

I think with Blake pre Injury Season.. Giannis recent play(well he is doing 20ppg for 20 games now..) and Lebron without a Jumper still averaging 25ppg..
Oh and BTW he shot in Highschool.. There is a definite Possibility he comes into the NBA and shoots better than expected... Him not shooting much in College does not mean he cant! The Coach exclusivly used him as a Post Player.


Why are people acting like Ben right now beeing a non shooter..in College will mean he will never even score 15ppg in the NBA?
Right now he is Basically Giannis since hes a PG in Blake Griffins body..^^

Him developing a decent Shot is not the difference between total bust or sucsess.. Its the difference between 3-5 ALL Star Apperances and a decent 2nd or 3rd Wheel on a good Team and a top 20 All Time Great..

Ben without a Jumper will still be at least a few time All Star.. so lets not act like he will totally bust because of his jumper..

[Brapman]

Nobody is saying he'll for sure never be a good shooter. We're saying he's terrible now. And, I'm saying it's a bad sign that he never (hardly ever) takes open shots. I'm also saying it's a bad sign that he shoots jumpers with his non-dominant hand.

[504ByrdGang]

Watching this Giannis highlights I dont see how you can worry about his jumpshot
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiMvTGlFKJ0[/youtube]

[crazy_me_87]

Watching this Giannis highlights I dont see how you can worry about his jumpshot
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiMvTGlFKJ0[/youtube]

Pretty much what i was saying... looking at how Giannis is doing as 6'11 Point Guard... without much of a jumpshot... I mean c'mon..

18/8/5 over his last 20
19.7/9.8/8 over his last 10
22/8/8 over his last 5

Its obvouis he is doing more than fine.. without a reliable jumper.

Ben is shorter(wingspan) and does not have Giannis Defensive Potential.. but he is stronger already and propably an even better Ball Handler and Passer then Giannis.
Giannis will finish the year likley with something like 17.3/7.8/4.5 .. i think Ben can totally do that as a rookie(stronger,more NBA ready right away,Giannes needed time to adjust and become stronger)

Its funny some here are desperatly holding on to the "he will fail if he does not become a shooter" thing... There are very sucsessfull Point Forwards in the NBA right now who dont shoot much...

Yes Curry is the thing at the moment.. there are more ways to become a Star then shooting.

He obviously has to work on his shot and will profit emensly if he ever becomes a half decent shooter.. but the notion he wont be more then a Role Player only because of his shooting...needs to stop... Lebron,Blake,Giannis.. there are examples of Players like Ben in the NBA right now so why are we acting as if his playstyle cant be sucsessfull? Only because Curry is "in" now?

Not everybody is the same and thats brilliant. Magic did not abandon Passing because MJ beat him in the finals... Shaq did not change into a Perimeter Player because MJ beat him in ORL..
Duncan never became Flashy because Lebron was "in"...

You can be great beeing just yourself.. as long as you strive to be the best Version you can be..

[ensergiog]

5 points 5 rebounds 3 fouls at the half. I don't know, man.

[Dr Positivity]

Think that half will cost him the #1 pick

[crazy_me_87]

Think that half will cost him the #1 pick

Only if Ingram goes 25/8/3 every game from here on out and Leads Duke at least to the Final Four

LSU as a whole is playing horrible.. without Ben's 2/3 fg'S they shoot 17% from the floor.. that is beyond abysmal.. thats bafflingly bad..
It is not Bens fault that his Teammates cant make shots.. He propably will be aggressive in the Second half like he is most games.. he has that same Gameflow Lebron often has.. tries to set up his Teammates first.. when that fails..he takes over scoring..

He wont Stay at 5/5 for the game^^ will finish with 15-20points and 10 rebounds.. a few assists IF someone can make a shot..

People like to question Bens leadership and overall impact because LSU is bad... but people are not realising HOW Bad they would be without Ben... they would have won 7 or 8 Games on the year without Ben.

This will not affect his stock if he comes out agressive in the second half..

[sikma42]

Looks like a failure in leadership right now. He is young and hopefully he will grow from this


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[cellar-door]

Yeah, I'm not going to knock a 19 year old for his leadership because his team is terrible, especially since they have a brutal coach. I'm not sure LSU even has any offensive sets, it looks like pickup game offense but worse.

[sikma42]

Yeah, I'm not going to knock a 19 year old for his leadership because his team is terrible, especially since they have a brutal coach. I'm not sure LSU even has any offensive sets, it looks like pickup game offense but worse.

Do t have to knock him for it, but it would be odd not to note it. His body language though adversity has left a lot to be desired


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[kobe_vs_jordan]

Think that half will cost him the #1 pick

Cost it to who?

[jpatrick]

How much did LSU lose off their team from last year? It just seems odd that a team that made the second round of the tournament last year, adds the consensus #1 pick, and doesn't sniff the tournament this year. Today's game was beyond brutal.

[RationalGaze]

It's clear Ben chose the wrong college to go to, but this should get teams to pay closer attention to the teammates he had. Terrible performance compared to the effort Georgia is giving Kentucky. 71-38 is inexcusable. That Jones coach is getting fired.

[RationalGaze]

How much did LSU lose off their team from last year? It just seems odd that a team that made the second round of the tournament last year, adds the consensus #1 pick, and doesn't sniff the tournament this year. Today's game was beyond brutal.

They lost Jordan Mickey and Jarrell Martin who were legit dudes and lost hornsby to injury this year. Jones wasn't a good head coach last year either, but this was the exclamation.

[Duke4life831]

How much did LSU lose off their team from last year? It just seems odd that a team that made the second round of the tournament last year, adds the consensus #1 pick, and doesn't sniff the tournament this year. Today's game was beyond brutal.

They lost Jordan Mickey and Jarrell Martin who were legit dudes and lost hornsby to injury this year. Jones wasn't a good head coach last year either, but this was the exclamation.

Hornsby wasnt out all year. He played the majority of this year and they added Blakeney. So they lost their frontcourt from last year and replaced it with Simmons and Victor. So they have the same team but different frontcourt, but I think everyone would choose this year's frontcourt compared to last year.

[RationalGaze]

How much did LSU lose off their team from last year? It just seems odd that a team that made the second round of the tournament last year, adds the consensus #1 pick, and doesn't sniff the tournament this year. Today's game was beyond brutal.

They lost Jordan Mickey and Jarrell Martin who were legit dudes and lost hornsby to injury this year. Jones wasn't a good head coach last year either, but this was the exclamation.

Hornsby wasnt out all year. He played the majority of this year and they added Blakeney. So they lost their frontcourt from last year and replaced it with Simmons and Victor. So they have the same team but different frontcourt, but I think everyone would choose this year's frontcourt compared to last year.

Losing Hornsby hurt them the rest of the way and the m&m bros had better chemistry than Ben and Victor. Anyone who saw Mickey and Martin would choose them over the front court this year. LSU fans were actually excited if they were going to return this year, but they got drafted.

[Duke4life831]

They lost Jordan Mickey and Jarrell Martin who were legit dudes and lost hornsby to injury this year. Jones wasn't a good head coach last year either, but this was the exclamation.

Hornsby wasnt out all year. He played the majority of this year and they added Blakeney. So they lost their frontcourt from last year and replaced it with Simmons and Victor. So they have the same team but different frontcourt, but I think everyone would choose this year's frontcourt compared to last year.

Losing Hornsby hurt them the rest of the way and the m&m bros had better chemistry than Ben and Victor. Anyone who saw Mickey and Martin would choose them over the front court this year. LSU fans were actually excited if they were going to return this year, but they got drafted.

Ya but it's not like they looked like a tourney team when hornsby was playing. And I agree Mickey and Martin we're great together. I also think it's a huge indictment on Simmons if someone would rather choose mickey and Martin over Simmons and Victor. And it's not like Victor is some scrub. If Simmons is the next great player, the frontcourt with Simmons should be the frontcourt everyone would choose over a front court with a late 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder

[TKainZero]

LSU was supposed to be terrible.
And were leading the SEC conference late in the year.

[Justwar]

Lsu on paper should of been good. Multiple mcds all Americans, tim quarterman could play Hornsby could too. Simmons just simply chose going to play for a family member on a awful coaching staff and didn't get any discipline.