Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II

[HIF]

Ok, that's the polite pc answer, now seriously, what do we do

Myself, I'm undecided. I remember back in the 05 season when Zo came back and looked really good, we tried to play him and Shaq together in spurts and it was pretty bad.

Now, CB is way more of a 4 than Zo, but in today's NBA both him and Hassan are centers, so, I dunno

i only would like bosh to come back if he commits himself to play at the faster uptempo game of recent because that's what suits the heat better.as a matter of fact, he could sub either for deng or jj

None of our centers are playing an uptempo game. Lol why Bosh has too? The only reason we became an uptempo team is because of Dragic being more aggressive early while Hassan on the bench and Deng moving to Power Forward.

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I'd go further and say we've moved uptempo because Goran isn't very good at any other tempo. I like Goran but I'm starting to think maybe he isn't the right pg for the "star" players we have.

[HIF]

It will be interesting to see, but Bosh should thrive as a scorer when he is inserted as starting center in place of Stat. But the problem is Dragic, will he continue to be aggressive or will he be submissive when Bosh returns.

The problem is Spo.....will he continue to make his 2 leaders an obligation spite of our entire team capable when given a chance!.....or is he going to continue to give other players freedom, trust & opportunities!


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I don't mean to get back o the discussion we had but Goran is NOT a star and never will be.

He's a very good offensive PG in an uptempo setup but his defense is pretty poor. wade's defense is lazy but when he turns it on he's top drawer and his offense is better than Goran's will ever be. Bosh - read the same as Wade.

You are suggesting changes to everyone's game because Goran isn't very good in a slower game and can't defend in any game.

[KingDavid]

It will be interesting to see, but Bosh should thrive as a scorer when he is inserted as starting center in place of Stat. But the problem is Dragic, will he continue to be aggressive or will he be submissive when Bosh returns.

The problem is Spo.....will he continue to make his 2 leaders an obligation spite of our entire team capable when given a chance!.....or is he going to continue to give other players freedom, trust & opportunities!


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I don't mean to get back o the discussion we had but Goran is NOT a star and never will be.

He's a very good offensive PG in an uptempo setup but his defense is pretty poor. wade's defense is lazy but when he turns it on he's top drawer and his offense is better than Goran's will ever be. Bosh - read the same as Wade.

You are suggesting changes to everyone's game because Goran isn't very good in a slower game and can't defend in any game.

His defense is not poor. Is that a hyperbole? We play better when we're uptempo. We've tried the slow tempo, slowest in the league in fact, and it was not working out for us at all. This has been our best stretch of games this whole season. The entire team plays better when we're uptempo. When we play slow, it's only Wade and bosh. Everyone else is frozen out of shots because of all the low fg attempts. We weren't and aren't winning **** with that slow ass pace. Every game that we've slowed down lately, we got into a lull and allowed teams to get back into the game. We've "fed the big dogs" as wade so eloquently put it earlier in the year and got our asses whooped. It doesn't work, this isn't 5 years ago.

[IggieCC]

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I'm just noting it guys, no need to beat me up for talking about Dragic

[3ballbomber]

Spoiler:

2013

Chalmers/Cole
Wade/Ray
LeBron/Miller
Rashard/Battier
Bosh/Anderson

I could be wrong but I think that was the rotation.

2016

Dragic/Jrich
Wade/Johnson
Joe/Winslow
Deng/McRoberts
Bosh/Whiteside

We played the small ball lineup and won 2 championships with it. Now we've gotten back to that same style and I have to say I'm excited to see what we can do in the playoffs with it. We may not have LeBron but look at all that talent we have now compared to then and I also believe Wade and Bosh are better now than they were then because of their roles. I also believe Wade is better than LeBron in the clutch so that's another positive. People are sleeping on us and that includes our own fans. I really think we can make the finals and then who knows what might happen. I'm confident in the way we've played golden state this year as well. One game without Bosh and one without Whiteside too. Had we been matched up with the Bucks we would've been swept first round but that's not the case so I'm confident. In the words of the great Dwyane Wade via Redwings or whatever that movie was, WE FIGHT! WE FIGHT! WE FIGHT! LETS GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Nah. Bosh is roughly the same, but Wade was better back then (especially defensively). Unless you're talking about the injured version of 2013 Wade...but even then I wouldn't really agree.

Yup.

We don't make finals regardless if Bosh is back, unless you're talking about eastern con finals. We've only started to figure things out recently & even now have gotten back to some inconsistencies & bad habits. We also have alot of players who have not played in the playoffs or have never gone as far as the Con. Finals. Playoffs is a different beast & alot player, especially the younger cats may not play as well looking like deers in headlights


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[3ballbomber]

The problem is Spo.....will he continue to make his 2 leaders an obligation spite of our entire team capable when given a chance!.....or is he going to continue to give other players freedom, trust & opportunities!


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I don't mean to get back o the discussion we had but Goran is NOT a star and never will be.

He's a very good offensive PG in an uptempo setup but his defense is pretty poor. wade's defense is lazy but when he turns it on he's top drawer and his offense is better than Goran's will ever be. Bosh - read the same as Wade.

You are suggesting changes to everyone's game because Goran isn't very good in a slower game and can't defend in any game.

His defense is not poor. Is that a hyperbole? We play better when we're uptempo. We've tried the slow tempo, slowest in the league in fact, and it was not working out for us at all. This has been our best stretch of games this whole season. The entire team plays better when we're uptempo. When we play slow, it's only Wade and bosh. Everyone else is frozen out of shots because of all the low fg attempts. We weren't and aren't winning **** with that slow ass pace. Every game that we've slowed down lately, we got into a lull and allowed teams to get back into the game. We've "fed the big dogs" as wade so eloquently put it earlier in the year and got our asses whooped. It doesn't work, this isn't 5 years ago.

Preach brothah!

I believe many realise the statement made here. The recent adjustments we have thrived as a team with. Prior to all the adjustments we were far more inconsistent.

You'd have to be blind not to see that we play better as a team @ a faster pace. Compared to the strategy of 'feeding the big dogs' & slowing the pace down. Wade has bought into the quicker game stating he will adapt to it. When your entire team is thriving it's tough to disagree w/ what you are seeing out there. & most def hard to disagree w/ the stats & positive results.

If you expect we no longer cater to Dragics strengths (a significant part of our adjustments) & continue to make Wade an obligation moving forward you are most likely losing the battle. Why revert back when we have clearly moved on.

Catering to the strengths of Dragic has allowed the entire team to thrive. Reverting backwards only benefits a selected very few players while the rest are suppressed. We much rather play a System that benefits the entire team than just a couple of players - that was not working & never will from here on out.






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[dancing2thabeet]

We should try something like this with Winslow.

How OKC made Roberson an off-ball threat

[twix2500]

We should try something like this with Winslow.

How OKC made Roberson an off-ball threat

No OKC sucks at using that 3rd swing player. Its their weakness.

[dancing2thabeet]

We should try something like this with Winslow.

How OKC made Roberson an off-ball threat

No OKC sucks at using that 3rd swing player. Its their weakness.

It's their weakness because he's a worse offensive player than Tony Allen. That play looks really good though, and if it was Bosh at the 4 it's even better.

I'd rather see Winslow getting a lob than airballing a three.

[miula]

last 6 games 3pt %

Deng 11/23 48%
JJ 10/14 71%
JRich 12/19 63%

Even Dragic at 7/19 37%

All of a sudden the Heat has good 3 pt offense...

And if TJ comes back....

[RexBoyWonder]

last 6 games 3pt %

Deng 11/23 48%
JJ 10/14 71%
JRich 12/19 63%

Even Dragic at 7/19 37%

All of a sudden the Heat has good 3 pt offense...

And if TJ comes back....

Rhythm and spacing can do ALOT, playing fast is helping on so many levels.

[ElDoggo]

Goran is great.

[deb]

It will be interesting to see, but Bosh should thrive as a scorer when he is inserted as starting center in place of Stat. But the problem is Dragic, will he continue to be aggressive or will he be submissive when Bosh returns.

The problem is Spo.....will he continue to make his 2 leaders an obligation spite of our entire team capable when given a chance!.....or is he going to continue to give other players freedom, trust & opportunities!


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I don't mean to get back o the discussion we had but Goran is NOT a star and never will be.

He's a very good offensive PG in an uptempo setup but his defense is pretty poor. wade's defense is lazy but when he turns it on he's top drawer and his offense is better than Goran's will ever be. Bosh - read the same as Wade.

You are suggesting changes to everyone's game because Goran isn't very good in a slower game and can't defend in any game.

This is a straw man argument you're making here. No one in their right mind (including us Slovenian homer fans) is saying Dragić is better than Wade. Wade is one of the best guards of all time and Dragić is (if he continues to play at this level) "only" a borderline allstar. As you mentioned above, Goran is more of a great system player.

The point is this: Lets call current Heat gamestyle Goran's system. If this Goran's system gets you more wins, which should you choose: The more successful Goran's system or the slow pace Wadecentric isoball system? If former, this in no way means that Dragić is the better player, it just means faster share the ball system is better overall for the Heat.

And Wade is actually thriving in this "Goran system", his numbers are up, he's still the best player on the court, last 10 games he's averaging 20/5/5. The difference is, now everybody's involved instead of mostly just Wade/Bosh.

[Dmcdani6]

Last game showed, that Mcroberts and Green might be expendable. Especially with Deng thriving at the PF spot, no real need for him, unless for injury purposes.

[Heat3]

It sucks that we're not going to be able to afford Deng this summer. He's done a great job filling in for Bosh:

17.2 pts, 9.9 reb, 2.4 ast, 1.3 stl in 35 minutes. (49% fg and 30% from three)

Bosh: 19.1 pts, 7.4 reb, 2.4 ast, 0.7 stl in 33.5 minutes. (47% fg and 36.5% from three)

we'll just have to settle for Durant

[Heat3]

how the hell did the Heat build this team with no cap money or assets?

we have rookies, min contract vets and d-leaguers being huge contributors on a playoff team. unreal.

In Riley I Trust!

[dancing2thabeet]

It sucks that we're not going to be able to afford Deng this summer. He's done a great job filling in for Bosh:

17.2 pts, 9.9 reb, 2.4 ast, 1.3 stl in 35 minutes. (49% fg and 30% from three)

Bosh: 19.1 pts, 7.4 reb, 2.4 ast, 0.7 stl in 33.5 minutes. (47% fg and 36.5% from three)

we'll just have to settle for Durant

[TroubleS0me]

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[3ballbomber]

how the hell did the Heat build this team with no cap money or assets?

we have rookies, min contract vets and d-leaguers being huge contributors on a playoff team. unreal.

In Riley I Trust!

Now if only the coach would have figured out what he inadvertently realized we'd be #2 behind the Cavs.

[3ballbomber]

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Love this kid and love the enthusiasm i see from our younger players such as him & Whiteside. Hunger & heart goes a long way!