2016 Draft

[thamadkant]

Not sold on Dunn.. 22 year old rookie. But could be a pistons Stuckey/George Hill level tier guard within a year. Plus Suns have surplus guards.


Also not sold on Jaylen Brown.... As a pick 7 to 10... Fine. As he can become a Rodney Hood/Barnes/JRich hybrid complimentary player. But as a top 3??... For the Suns... Maybe better to get Bender or package it for a stud.

[saintEscaton]

Bender's stock will rise/stabilize due to the mystery factor, has yet to be subjected to the litmus test that NCAA players must pass, he will probably do the bare minimum in the combine and avoid the uneccessary scrutiny of private workouts. So he can't possibly be any worse than them right ? At least he's an intriguing unicorn

[Ghost of Kleine]

What are you guys thoughts on Jonathon Jeanne for a late first round pick. I've watched some video highlights of him, And I must say that he is very fluid and athletic for a 7'2 center/power forward. He has had comparisons to rudy gobert made occasionally.

I believe he could very possibly be that for us as well.

[blee732]

Not sold on Dunn.. 22 year old rookie. But could be a pistons Stuckey/George Hill level tier guard within a year. Plus Suns have surplus guards.


Also not sold on Jaylen Brown.... As a pick 7 to 10... Fine. As he can become a Rodney Hood/Barnes/JRich hybrid complimentary player. But as a top 3??... For the Suns... Maybe better to get Bender or package it for a stud.

Feel the same way about both. Dunn (and Hield as well) had to wait for a reason, and now they're benefiting from a weak draft and generally weak college competition going up against 18-19 year old kids.

As for Brown, even if he was guaranteed to be equal to JRich, I wouldn't use the 3rd pick on him. I agree that we could get something more favorable by drafting Bender and trading him to a team looking to rebuild.

[blee732]

What are you guys thoughts on Jonathon Jeanne for a late first round pick. I've watched some video highlights of him, And I must say that he is very fluid and athletic for a 7'2 center/power forward. He has had comparisons to rudy gobert made occasionally.

I believe he could very possibly be that for us as well.

I don't see the Gobert resemblance, Jeanne seems way less athletic/strong although admittedly it's hard to say how he'll develop. I would guess his upside is John Henson but most likely not a rotation player in the NBA.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Hard to see 5 players better than Murray right now.

If he's the best player at our pick, I'd still pick him.

I don't think we'd be complaining if we had (for example) Brandon Roy and Eric Gordon at their best.

[bwgood77]

Bender's stock will rise/stabilize due to the mystery factor, has yet to be subjected to the litmus test that NCAA players must pass, he will probably do the bare minimum in the combine and avoid the uneccessary scrutiny of private workouts. So he can't possibly be any worse than them right ? At least he's an intriguing unicorn

At least Bender has that unknown factor, so basically the sky is the limit. I mean just from that video I posted in the first page of this thread, if you just look at the size, athleticism and shooting ability, it looks good, but the guy is so young. He was probably about the age of a jr in hs when that was posted...but again that is a plus.

But guys like a 21 year old Dunn, who didn't really show up in his last conf tourney game, Jaylen Brown, and some of these guys just don't impress me. Murray actually looks good, but he's the last thing we need...I wouldn't be shocked if we took him though if we end up 4th or 5th just because McD may think it is BPA and we could flip to Boston for Crowder or something.

Even though we don't need guards, the highest iq player out there to me is still Denzel Valentine. I was watching video of him earlier and he just looks like a guard version of Draymond Green. I don't know how he averages as many rebounds as he does. If he was just 3-4 inches taller he would be a perfect small ball 4.

I think he will stick in the league...he would actually be a nice guy to have alongside Booker too...or as just a backup guard who can play point since he is such a good passer. I'd take him with the Cleveland pick or our 2nd rounder, but I bet he goes mid teens.

As for our pick, if it's not top 3 I don't know. I haven't seen enough of Ellenson, and the thought of him doesn't excite me, but I'm not totally sure anyone makes a whole lot more sense unless we have a trade lined up. That being said, I think I'd rather trade it, or even trade down a few picks. I like Marquese Chriss and Deyonta Davis more as prospects than Ellenson, but I think if we could trade down and end up with two of those three guys with our picks, that wouldn't be bad if we miss top 3.

Even if we do get Bender, I'd still take one of those other guys with the Washington pick since we have such a glaring hole at PF and anyone could bust.

[AtheJ415]

Trading a top 5 pick this season for a pick next season... Is a high risk situation that management will not agree to. Maybe if a player comes with it... It might be feasible.



I think McD will stick to the pick and has his eyes on a couple of players.
I still wouldnt rule out McD and Sarver trading that pick for a star as well.



Bender at pick 3 is trivial at this point in time....
Cant wait to see the measurements and work outs... He could actually prove he deserves that slot.

The only we ever trade a top 5 pick for another pick is if that other pick has reverse protection (other team keeps it until it falls into the top ____, for however many years that takes).

Let's be real, it isn't going to happen and for good reason. If we're moving a pick like that it has to be for a player. You can't risk a team improving in FA and having an unexpectedly good year the following year. Also, for all the **** people talk about regarding this draft, Bender, Dunn, and Brown are all very good prospects we'd be lucky to have. These aren't Anthony Bennett type players.

I agree with your first part but as for the guys you named, have you watched them lately? I know people always like to fall in love with the draft right in front of them but Dunn and Brown would be lucky to be lottery picks in most drafts.

Disagree. Every year a draft isn't insanely loaded people exaggerate how bad it is. Even the worst draft we've had almost ever produced really good players. Len wasn't special in college, but I think he'd be a lottery pick in most drafts given how he's played. Same with Gobert, McCollum, etc., all of whom had question marks and fell in the worst draft of the modern era.

Dunn imo will be an NBA All-star at some point. But even if you disagree, I think we can all agree he's at least a great athlete, which gives him a lot of upside. His athleticism alone will get him picked high. Zach Lavine couldn't beat out Bryce Alford in college and basically did nothing at the college level, and he went lotto in an outstanding draft based off of athleticism alone. Why would Brown and Dunn somehow not fall into the elite athlete category/high upside? They are both further along than Lavine was, and again Lavine's draft was really good. I think both Brown and Dunn go top 13 in most any draft.

[bwgood77]

The only we ever trade a top 5 pick for another pick is if that other pick has reverse protection (other team keeps it until it falls into the top ____, for however many years that takes).

Let's be real, it isn't going to happen and for good reason. If we're moving a pick like that it has to be for a player. You can't risk a team improving in FA and having an unexpectedly good year the following year. Also, for all the **** people talk about regarding this draft, Bender, Dunn, and Brown are all very good prospects we'd be lucky to have. These aren't Anthony Bennett type players.

I agree with your first part but as for the guys you named, have you watched them lately? I know people always like to fall in love with the draft right in front of them but Dunn and Brown would be lucky to be lottery picks in most drafts.

Disagree. Every year a draft isn't insanely loaded people exaggerate how bad it is. Even the worst draft we've had almost ever produced really good players. Len wasn't special in college, but I think he'd be a lottery pick in most drafts given how he's played. Same with Gobert, McCollum, etc., all of whom had question marks and fell in the worst draft of the modern era.

Dunn imo will be an NBA All-star at some point. But even if you disagree, I think we can all agree he's at least a great athlete, which gives him a lot of upside. His athleticism alone will get him picked high. Zach Lavine couldn't beat out Bryce Alford in college and basically did nothing at the college level, and he went lotto in an outstanding draft based off of athleticism alone. Why would Brown and Dunn somehow not fall into the elite athlete category/high upside? They are both further along than Lavine was, and again Lavine's draft was really good. I think both Brown and Dunn go top 13 in most any draft.

Wow, you really like Dunn. All star?

Sure a lot of guys have super athleticism. Some pan out and some don't. I think Brown has a chance of being a pretty good player at some point, and Dunn might be an avg starting pg some day, but I don't see anything particularly special about these guys.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Last 10 Games, FG %

Murray 83 / 155 = 53%
Hield 74 / 169 = 43%
Dunn 41 / 96 = 42%
Brown 42 / 110 = 38%
Ingram 56 / 148 = 37%

[Bogyo]

Last 10 Games, FG %

Murray 83 / 155 = 53%
Hield 74 / 169 = 43%
Dunn 41 / 96 = 42%
Brown 42 / 110 = 38%
Ingram 56 / 148 = 37%

Yeah, Murray ballin like crazy nowdays. If he keeps this up for another 2-3 games he'll go top 5.
I wouldn't really want him, even with Bookers passing skills. If we do pick him up then Knight needs to go asap, and Bledsoe a bit later (or the other way around, depending on who is available for whom, and our future plans).

Dunno if Philly would trade down to get him if we add some other pieces/picks. #2 for #4 and the Washington pick (or Knight, one or the other) + Archie? Who says no? Is that too much for Ingram?

[Qwigglez]

Wizards have lost 5 straight, holy crap.
My mom's bf is a Michigan fan and she mentioned Valentine. I looked em up on google real quick and it said he is projected to go 19th. Is he any good? Maybe another Draymond Green since he went to Michigan lol.

[MrTwister]

What are you guys thoughts on Jonathon Jeanne for a late first round pick. I've watched some video highlights of him, And I must say that he is very fluid and athletic for a 7'2 center/power forward. He has had comparisons to rudy gobert made occasionally.

I believe he could very possibly be that for us as well.

I dont think he declares this year,maybe if he gets 1st round promise able to stash him overseas, still years behind in physical development.If you think Bender is skinny and frail, Jeanne is even worse, not sure he has 200lbs in his 7-2 frame.Very intriguing player but still long term project.I did not watch him much but some scouts expressed concern that he is playing soft and shying away from contact during that youth tournament last year.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Should we not get lucky and land in the top 2 of the draft, I'd first take jaylen brown with the 3rd pick. (move warren to 6th man).

Then package bledsoe with tucker to minnesota for rubio, adreine payne and their top 6th pick this draft. Then with minnesotas' pick I'd take jamal murray( play behind booker added firepower).

With Washingtons' pick, Obviously I'm taking Ivan Rabb. He along with Jaylen brown are the perfect athletically explosive compliment to len and bookers' fluidity and skill.

Lastly, with clevelands' pick, I'd without a doubt take Jonathon Jeanne. 7'2 .....Very athletic and mobile center/power forward with a developing post game. He needs to bulk up a bit still, but he is very much in my opinion potentially rudy gobert 2.0 all you need to do is watch his gametape. To me, that would be an amazing draft.

So Ideally, Our lineup post draft would look something like this :

point guard : Rubio/jamal murray/goodwin.

shooting guard : Brandon knight/booker/ murray/goodwin ?

small forward : Jaylen brown/t.j. warren/budinger.

power forward : Alex Len/ Ivan Rabb/ Adrein payne/telectovic or leur.

center : Alex len/ Tyson Chandler/Jonathon Jeanne.

[JMac1]

If our pick fall out of the Top 2 might as well deal it for an unprotected one in the stacked 2017 class. Delayed gratification, but it would be worth it and we will likely have a more NBA ready prospect in shorter time than waiting 2-3 years at the least for Bender to even arrive stateside

Yes if Minn wants to trade up from 5-6. Looking ahead to 2017 it's looking promising. Jackson, Tatum & Giles would go top-6 right now.

Yea, until they play college basketball and get flaws get exploited and then we can hear how this is the weakest draft in a long time, again, and again, and again, like every other draft every year.

[JMac1]

Hard to see 5 players better than Murray right now.

If he's the best player at our pick, I'd still pick him.

I don't think we'd be complaining if we had (for example) Brandon Roy and Eric Gordon at their best.

Some people can't see the forest because of the trees, but I can see a Curry/Thompson type backcourt with Booker/Murray.....do what ever with Bledsoe and or Knight, but get the player first then worry about all of the particulars.

Trade or reach instead of drafting a guy that is 19 years old and phenomenal.

[MrMiyagi]

Complete the 5 Kentucky Guard lineup!!!!!!!!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Bender's my guy. I'd take him #2 over Ingram right now.

[saintEscaton]

Bender's my guy. I'd take him #2 over Ingram right now.

I would flip out if that happeneded

[Bogyo]

Skal with 2 quick fouls again. That kid might have all the talent of the world, but he is 2 years away from being 2 years away as they say... Dunno if we wanna take that gamble with the Wash pick. The Cle pick? Sure, but he wont be there.
Murray looking good again at the start.
Oh, and I wouldn't really mind Ulis with the 2nd round pick, if he is there and Knight or Bled are traded...