2016 Draft

[bwgood77]

Well it looks like, of the respondents, over half of those responding our interested in a bracket challenge, so I set one up on espn. I think you can name your entry what you want, but if it does use your username and you don't want to use that, you can always change your username to your realgm name in your espn profile. If you don't have an espn account, it's easy to sign up and just put your name as your realgm name.

Anyway, here is the link to join..

http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-challenge-bracket/en/group?invitesource=email&groupID=1170700&inviteuser=ezkwQzNGODQxLUM2MEYtNDFEQi1BOTcwLTE4NTgxRTM4QjQ3M30%3D&ex_cid=invite-email-tcmen&groupp=cmVhbGdt

Group: REAL GM Suns+
Password: realgm

[Frank Lee]

Why hijack this thread ? If so many are interested... sticky your contest 'somewhere'

[ATTL]

I signed up

[bwgood77]

Why hijack this thread ? If so many are interested... sticky your contest 'somewhere'

You want more sticky's? It's just one post in a thread. I may make one in the fantasy thread too with the link, but I don't think this topic needs a new thread, particularly one that is a sticky.

[Frank Lee]

Why hijack this thread ? If so many are interested... sticky your contest 'somewhere'

You want more sticky's? It's just one post in a thread. I may make one in the fantasy thread too with the link, but I don't think this topic needs a new thread, particularly one that is a sticky.

you say that now.... but wait till all the chatter rolls in like with the fantasy games. Wasn't this a thread discussion about individual players... not some contest ? And Why the title change and poll ? They are clearly two separate topics.

Hey, Im all for playing the brackets... but its not like stickies cost $$. You only get so many a year ?? So don't sticky' it.

Do what you want. But I'd rather read opinions about players we might draft w/o the grabassing bracket talk. In the first week of play, you guys will be like school girls passing notes and run this thread count up to a hundred.

whatever.....Bah Humbug Not like it matters anyway.

[bwgood77]

Why hijack this thread ? If so many are interested... sticky your contest 'somewhere'

You want more sticky's? It's just one post in a thread. I may make one in the fantasy thread too with the link, but I don't think this topic needs a new thread, particularly one that is a sticky.

you say that now.... but wait till all the chatter rolls in like with the fantasy games. Wasn't this a thread discussion about individual players... not some contest ? And Why the title change and poll ? They are clearly two separate topics.

Hey, Im all for playing the brackets... but its not like stickies cost $$. You only get so many a year ?? So don't sticky' it.

Do what you want. But I'd rather read opinions about players we might draft w/o the grabassing bracket talk. In the first week of play, you guys will be like school girls passing notes and run this thread count up to a hundred.

whatever.....Bah Humbug Not like it matters anyway.

Well this was a thread other than one about college players (which the tourney if full of) that had only one post about the contest until you started talking about it. No, I doubt people would talk about their individual achievements or picks here much, but discuss the player performances if worth discussing. Even though we have four fantasy leagues, those are very rarely discussed.

You will still be able to read the opinions you want to read and ignore those you don't want to read.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Simmons signing with Rich Paul.

Could have a trio with Watson, Bledsoe, Simmons.

[Bogyo]

Simmons signing with Rich Paul.

Could have a trio with Watson, Bledsoe, Simmons.

Barf. Major turnoff...

[SunsFanSSOL]

Ben Simmons signed with Klutch Sports, Rich Paul's agency who we all know well from the Bledsoe debacle. An important note though on that signing, Klutch gave Ben Simmons sister a job over a year ago and she lives in Scottsdale.

We are probably Simmons 2nd choice after the Lakers now, and I could see a scenario where if the Sixers get the 1st pick and we get the 2nd, that he forces his way here to avoid playing in Philadelphia.

[No-Man]

I got Arizona losing to Vandy in the 1st round, sorry guys.

[AtheJ415]

Ingram's stock looks to fall. On another message board I see opinions that Murray is the better option, expecially for Phili. Maybe Ingram falls to Suns even if the pick is not top 2.

Still in case Murray is the better player maybe it's not a bad idea to select him despite the logjam. I remember watching a high school all stars game last year to see Simmons and Murray was very impressive in that game.

I like Murray but we just can't take him with Booker here, particularly over Ingram, unless we believe 1 of them will be a 1 going forward.

Phili taking Murray would be amazing for us. It allows us to take an elite talent who fits in much better with our positional needs.

BPA is generally the right way to go, but you don't want to duplicate a star's position. It would be like the Colts taking a QB round 1 after Manning's rookie year.

Football is totally different, a number one QB only plays qb, but NBA players can play all positions. An O lineman can't play wideout or DB etc. A SG can play PG....or SF or PF if he is Durant, the center position. So yes, you can duplicate a star's position in basketball.

So you think it would be smart to have Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry on the same team?

Explain how the minute rotation works out. IF we traded Knight or Bledsoe, Murray would be looking at 15 minutes a game between the 1 and 2 in any reasonable projection I can think of. We'd have to trade both and pray one of Booker or Murray sticks at the 1 in order for Murray to play the 2 significant minutes in any situation. All of this is essentially dependent on Booker being a great full-time PG or Murray becoming that, or us going to a 3 guard lineup full-time. I know we're all excited about Booker, but he has a 14.4% assist rate (much worse than Knight or Bledsoe or really any PG). He cannot be our full-time PG. He is not a PG. He's an elite SG. What is the fascination with turning him into a PG? There's a reason you don't have 6'6" PGs running around the league. Booker is having trouble guarding 2s in this league, a weak position with guys who fit his physical speed and size more aptly than trying to guard a league of historically difficult to defend 1s who are all much quicker and more athletic than the 2s in this league on the whole. Part of what makes Booker so great is that he has a defined position and some rare skills FOR HIS POSITION. He is not a rare passer when held to a PG standard at all. In fact he's flat out bad despite the occasional monster passing game this season. He's very good at that position. Why would you wan to mess with that simply so you could draft a guy who has no more potential than guys who play the 3 or 4 or 1 in this draft (like Bender, Ingram, or Dunn)?

Let's say you trade Bledsoe and Tucker are left with Knight. Both are unlikely, but I'm just doing this to illustrate the logjam you're saying isn't a problem. This frees up minutes at the 1 and 3. Ignore PF and C b/c none of the guys will play there:

PG: Knight 35 MPG, Booker 6 MPG, Murray 5 mpg
SG: Booker 22 MPG, Murray 10 MPG, Bogdan (I guess we gave up on him already) 10 mpg, Archie 6 mpg
SF: Warren 30 MPG, Booker 8 mpg, Bogdan 10 mpg

So now we have Knight at 35 mpg. He plays more than that now, but let's assume/hope 35 is his cap. Split the remaining minutes between Booker and Murray and that's 6 and 5. Booker should play most of his time at the 2. Bogdan and Archie will see some minutes and should, even as benchwarmers, and at this level frankly I think both will be pissed and we'll have player turmoil again. End of bench guys get 5-10 mpg. I mean the only real way to make any of this work is to have them playing as undersized 3s and going with a 3 guard starting lineup. Just eliminate the 3, which means we give up on Warren. Or, you could make Warren a PF and go with a crazy tiny full-time lineup.

Simply put, you'd have to change the entire way you play basketball to make the minutes available to justify the selection. And that's with us trading our starting PG and starting SF. In reality, we may end up with Knight as the backup 1 and 2, in which case only Bogdan will see minutes of this crew because his wingspan and defense will allow him to play some 3.

We should just draft Bender or Ingram or Dunn (if we're trading a PG). They have all the potential that Murray has even if they aren't shooting as well on the season and a clear role on the team. It's a much better option than having to ask every other player to adapt to an entirely new role (Warren guarding 4s, Booker playing the 1, 2, and 3. Bogdan and Archie never playing minutes).

[Saberestar]

Ben Simmons signed with Klutch Sports, Rich Paul's agency who we all know well from the Bledsoe debacle. An important note though on that signing, Klutch gave Ben Simmons sister a job over a year ago and she lives in Scottsdale.

We are probably Simmons 2nd choice after the Lakers now, and I could see a scenario where if the Sixers get the 1st pick and we get the 2nd, that he forces his way here to avoid playing in Philadelphia.

I don't see any problem with Rich Paul. He gets his clients paid, and at the end of the day that's all that matters for the players.

I don't care if he is Lebron's friend or if he is not an standard agent or if he doesn’t have studies....he gets his clients paid good money and end of the story.

The Suns wanted Bledsoe on a bargain contract and he said no. Bledsoe is on a fair deal now.

Hopefully we can take some advantage of that situation, but I think that Simmos is gonna be a #1 not matter what...if Philadelphia or even Minnesota gets that pick in the lottery (for example) he will be there next season with Rich Paul.

[JMac1]

I like Murray but we just can't take him with Booker here, particularly over Ingram, unless we believe 1 of them will be a 1 going forward.

Phili taking Murray would be amazing for us. It allows us to take an elite talent who fits in much better with our positional needs.

BPA is generally the right way to go, but you don't want to duplicate a star's position. It would be like the Colts taking a QB round 1 after Manning's rookie year.

Football is totally different, a number one QB only plays qb, but NBA players can play all positions. An O lineman can't play wideout or DB etc. A SG can play PG....or SF or PF if he is Durant, the center position. So yes, you can duplicate a star's position in basketball.

So you think it would be smart to have Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry on the same team?

Explain how the minute rotation works out. IF we traded Knight or Bledsoe, Murray would be looking at 15 minutes a game between the 1 and 2 in any reasonable projection I can think of. We'd have to trade both and pray one of Booker or Murray sticks at the 1 in order for Murray to play the 2 significant minutes in any situation. All of this is essentially dependent on Booker being a great full-time PG or Murray becoming that, or us going to a 3 guard lineup full-time. I know we're all excited about Booker, but he has a 14.4% assist rate (much worse than Knight or Bledsoe or really any PG). He cannot be our full-time PG. He is not a PG. He's an elite SG. What is the fascination with turning him into a PG? There's a reason you don't have 6'6" PGs running around the league. Booker is having trouble guarding 2s in this league, a weak position with guys who fit his physical speed and size more aptly than trying to guard a league of historically difficult to defend 1s who are all much quicker and more athletic than the 2s in this league on the whole. Part of what makes Booker so great is that he has a defined position and some rare skills FOR HIS POSITION. He is not a rare passer when held to a PG standard at all. In fact he's flat out bad despite the occasional monster passing game this season. He's very good at that position. Why would you wan to mess with that simply so you could draft a guy who has no more potential than guys who play the 3 or 4 or 1 in this draft (like Bender, Ingram, or Dunn)?

Let's say you trade Bledsoe and Tucker are left with Knight. Both are unlikely, but I'm just doing this to illustrate the logjam you're saying isn't a problem. This frees up minutes at the 1 and 3. Ignore PF and C b/c none of the guys will play there:

PG: Knight 35 MPG, Booker 6 MPG, Murray 5 mpg
SG: Booker 22 MPG, Murray 10 MPG, Bogdan (I guess we gave up on him already) 10 mpg, Archie 6 mpg
SF: Warren 30 MPG, Booker 8 mpg, Bogdan 10 mpg

So now we have Knight at 35 mpg. He plays more than that now, but let's assume/hope 35 is his cap. Split the remaining minutes between Booker and Murray and that's 6 and 5. Booker should play most of his time at the 2. Bogdan and Archie will see some minutes and should, even as benchwarmers, and at this level frankly I think both will be pissed and we'll have player turmoil again. End of bench guys get 5-10 mpg. I mean the only real way to make any of this work is to have them playing as undersized 3s and going with a 3 guard starting lineup. Just eliminate the 3, which means we give up on Warren. Or, you could make Warren a PF and go with a crazy tiny full-time lineup.

Simply put, you'd have to change the entire way you play basketball to make the minutes available to justify the selection. And that's with us trading our starting PG and starting SF. In reality, we may end up with Knight as the backup 1 and 2, in which case only Bogdan will see minutes of this crew because his wingspan and defense will allow him to play some 3.

We should just draft Bender or Ingram or Dunn (if we're trading a PG). They have all the potential that Murray has even if they aren't shooting as well on the season and a clear role on the team. It's a much better option than having to ask every other player to adapt to an entirely new role (Warren guarding 4s, Booker playing the 1, 2, and 3. Bogdan and Archie never playing minutes).

I don't care about them, of course some people can't play together even when they play opposite positions. I think Booker and Murray can play together because they both posses PG skills, why is that so difficult to understand? If you disagree, fine. You are providing minutes as though it is written in stone or something. Just replace Bledsoe or Knight with Murray and bring in the best available big.

[Fo-Real]

The upside fo that kid Skal Labissierefrom Kentucky is trem tremendous. 7'0, 7'2 wing span, runs like a gazzell, athletic, blocks shots, is money from midrange,and impressivly has a good post game that features almost an unblockable sky hook type post shot, he and Len could be a very tall, dynamic hybrid 4/5 duo. As currently constructed, I could see him as the first big off the bench for Chandler as Len slided to center. Obviously not at pick 3, unless he skyrockets at the end here (witch bigs tend to do), but would sure take him with the Wiz pick if available. Kid is a 19 yo. freshman and didnt even play his senior year of high school.

[saintEscaton]

Jamal Murray is nothing special, don't let the high volume scoring output fool you, sure he came up clutch vs A&M but went 3/10 from downtown. Reminds me of a more unathletic OJ Mayo, he has a assist/turnover ratio of less than 1 with Ulis being the primary ballhandler he's not much of a playmaker and he's 6'4 so he will likely be a undersized SG/combo guard gunner.

[bwgood77]

Simmons signing with Rich Paul.

Could have a trio with Watson, Bledsoe, Simmons.

Barf. Major turnoff...

Well, doesn't matter for rookie contract and he likely gets maxed in second so that's likely 9 years unless the rules change, and if he lives up to they hype, max after that so it probably won't matter.

[bwgood77]

I got Arizona losing to Vandy in the 1st round, sorry guys.

I thought that was a tough draw...just watched them beat Kentucky a couple weeks ago. Sean Miller should have them ready though after they fight through a play in game...SEC sucks too.

[No-Man]

Vandy is highly inconsistent but they have 5 NBA prospects in their lineup and all of them have experience, plus a solid bench, Arizona is good, but highly dependant on York and Trier making shots, and they dont have much spacing up front, It should be an interesting game.

Having said that probably the Dores would just **** it up and lose to Wichita St.

[JMac1]

We should just draft Bender or Ingram or Dunn

I would LOOOOOVE to get one of those two without a doubt. I think Dunn is 80% Wade 2.0. Ingram would be fantastic. But again, I wanted Kaminsky.......

[bwgood77]

Football is totally different, a number one QB only plays qb, but NBA players can play all positions. An O lineman can't play wideout or DB etc. A SG can play PG....or SF or PF if he is Durant, the center position. So yes, you can duplicate a star's position in basketball.

So you think it would be smart to have Russell Westbrook and Kyle Lowry on the same team?

Explain how the minute rotation works out. IF we traded Knight or Bledsoe, Murray would be looking at 15 minutes a game between the 1 and 2 in any reasonable projection I can think of. We'd have to trade both and pray one of Booker or Murray sticks at the 1 in order for Murray to play the 2 significant minutes in any situation. All of this is essentially dependent on Booker being a great full-time PG or Murray becoming that, or us going to a 3 guard lineup full-time. I know we're all excited about Booker, but he has a 14.4% assist rate (much worse than Knight or Bledsoe or really any PG). He cannot be our full-time PG. He is not a PG. He's an elite SG. What is the fascination with turning him into a PG? There's a reason you don't have 6'6" PGs running around the league. Booker is having trouble guarding 2s in this league, a weak position with guys who fit his physical speed and size more aptly than trying to guard a league of historically difficult to defend 1s who are all much quicker and more athletic than the 2s in this league on the whole. Part of what makes Booker so great is that he has a defined position and some rare skills FOR HIS POSITION. He is not a rare passer when held to a PG standard at all. In fact he's flat out bad despite the occasional monster passing game this season. He's very good at that position. Why would you wan to mess with that simply so you could draft a guy who has no more potential than guys who play the 3 or 4 or 1 in this draft (like Bender, Ingram, or Dunn)?

Let's say you trade Bledsoe and Tucker are left with Knight. Both are unlikely, but I'm just doing this to illustrate the logjam you're saying isn't a problem. This frees up minutes at the 1 and 3. Ignore PF and C b/c none of the guys will play there:

PG: Knight 35 MPG, Booker 6 MPG, Murray 5 mpg
SG: Booker 22 MPG, Murray 10 MPG, Bogdan (I guess we gave up on him already) 10 mpg, Archie 6 mpg
SF: Warren 30 MPG, Booker 8 mpg, Bogdan 10 mpg

So now we have Knight at 35 mpg. He plays more than that now, but let's assume/hope 35 is his cap. Split the remaining minutes between Booker and Murray and that's 6 and 5. Booker should play most of his time at the 2. Bogdan and Archie will see some minutes and should, even as benchwarmers, and at this level frankly I think both will be pissed and we'll have player turmoil again. End of bench guys get 5-10 mpg. I mean the only real way to make any of this work is to have them playing as undersized 3s and going with a 3 guard starting lineup. Just eliminate the 3, which means we give up on Warren. Or, you could make Warren a PF and go with a crazy tiny full-time lineup.

Simply put, you'd have to change the entire way you play basketball to make the minutes available to justify the selection. And that's with us trading our starting PG and starting SF. In reality, we may end up with Knight as the backup 1 and 2, in which case only Bogdan will see minutes of this crew because his wingspan and defense will allow him to play some 3.

We should just draft Bender or Ingram or Dunn (if we're trading a PG). They have all the potential that Murray has even if they aren't shooting as well on the season and a clear role on the team. It's a much better option than having to ask every other player to adapt to an entirely new role (Warren guarding 4s, Booker playing the 1, 2, and 3. Bogdan and Archie never playing minutes).

I don't care about them, of course some people can't play together even when they play opposite positions. I think Booker and Murray can play together because they both posses PG skills, why is that so difficult to understand? If you disagree, fine. You are providing minutes as though it is written in stone or something. Just replace Bledsoe or Knight with Murray and bring in the best available big.

You're not alone in your thinking.

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