Wolves @ suns

[bwgood77]

Dunn.......here we come!

I'd be pretty surprised if we took Dunn, but I guess it would be nice to have a good backup pg. I am getting increasingly tired of Knight, and he can't have great trade value. But reading about that MIT conference, it sounds like the except enormous contracts to be handed out this offseason, so maybe those looking for a scorer will think of his as a bargain.

Watch Minnesota with the lottery and take Ingram to add to Wiggins and Towns. I think he makes more sense for them than Simmons.

[AtheJ415]

I would agree with Tyson, but not PJ.

PJ puts more effort into getting new, unheard of DUIs than he does hitting jumpers. The most pumped up I've seen him was eating a trey of nachos. Hustling alone doesn't mean good effort to me.

He hasn't missed a game this season and didn't have any off-court problems since last season.

And despite that, he has been flat out awful and a supposed leader of a dysfunctional mess of a team that lacked leadership. Yup, PJ is a real winner.

Playing hard is the minimum that should be expected. It takes a lot more than that to win, and PJ has shown based off his previous actions and his actual consistently bad performance on the court that he isn't a winner. He could help a loaded team win by doing the one thing he's good at outside of eating nachos and drinking (defense), but outside of that every other thing he does on the court helps a team lose.

[TeamTragic]

Tucker and Mirza costing us a top 4 pick

Tucker should have been traded for a pick. Mirza we should resign.

[JMac1]

Knight 3-18 needs to stop shooting so damn much when he's missing

The fact that he got up 18 shots vs Booker's 14....

[Gorilla Warfare]

Not a damn person better say it's because they're being professional. I've seen the effort put forth by PJ and Tyson all year long. They aren't professionals.

I would agree with Tyson, but not PJ.

PJ puts more effort into getting new, unheard of DUIs than he does hitting jumpers. The most pumped up I've seen him was eating a trey of nachos. Hustling alone doesn't mean good effort to me.

Tell us how you really feel about PJ.


Tucker works harder than anyone on this team and everyone hates him. Tony Allen isn't good on offense but in Kobe's eyes he's the best defender he's ever faced. He works hard, hustles every night, and does his job. Tucker does the same thing every night. His only issue is sometimes he shoots too much.

[JMac1]

Dunn.......here we come!

I'd be pretty surprised if we took Dunn, but I guess it would be nice to have a good backup pg. I am getting increasingly tired of Knight, and he can't have great trade value. But reading about that MIT conference, it sounds like the except enormous contracts to be handed out this offseason, so maybe those looking for a scorer will think of his as a bargain.

Watch Minnesota with the lottery and take Ingram to add to Wiggins and Towns. I think he makes more sense for them than Simmons.

Knight...........

[bwgood77]

Dunn.......here we come!

I'd be pretty surprised if we took Dunn, but I guess it would be nice to have a good backup pg. I am getting increasingly tired of Knight, and he can't have great trade value. But reading about that MIT conference, it sounds like the except enormous contracts to be handed out this offseason, so maybe those looking for a scorer will think of his as a bargain.

Watch Minnesota with the lottery and take Ingram to add to Wiggins and Towns. I think he makes more sense for them than Simmons.

Knight...........

It sounds like Knight is doing the same things he did in Detroit and Milwaukee so I just can't understand why McD would want him on the team, much less trade that Lakers pick for him.

[Gorilla Warfare]

Quit your bitching. Enjoy a Suns win and go to bed.

[AtheJ415]

I would agree with Tyson, but not PJ.

PJ puts more effort into getting new, unheard of DUIs than he does hitting jumpers. The most pumped up I've seen him was eating a trey of nachos. Hustling alone doesn't mean good effort to me.

Tell us how you really feel about PJ.


Tucker works harder than anyone on this team and everyone hates him. Tony Allen isn't good on offense but in Kobe's eyes he's the best defender he's ever faced. He works hard, hustles every night, and does his job. Tucker does the same thing every night. His only issue is sometimes he shoots too much.

PJ isn't the hardest working guy on the team. He was out of shape coming back off of a newly signed contract, so no. Actually Knight might be the hardest worker hilariously enough. Since when does sucking get you so much slack? People think Ronnie Price is a great defender because he pressures the ball constantly despite every advanced number suggesting otherwise. People think PJ is a winner who works harder than everyone because he does dirty work. Guess what? If PJ didn't do dirty work like get rebounds, he simply wouldn't even be in the league.

If the Suns sign me and I try really hard, mostly fail consistently, and have the occasional game where I play well, get an unheard of DUI after signing my contract extension, and pound nachos courtside while following it up with a down year, will people anoint me a winner and consummate professional at the NBA level so long as I only get the DUI once every 3 years? Great deal. Man, it sucks to be held to the standard of actually being a good player.

Truth is PJ doesn't care about scoring because he is one of the worst players in basketball at it. Accordingly he does dirty work out of necessity. Since most players care more about scoring, PJ gets drastically overrated in every non-numerical category like "effort", "professionalism", "winner's mentality" and "leadership" even though history shows effort might be the only, and I mean, only one of those things he actually does.

[bwgood77]

PJ puts more effort into getting new, unheard of DUIs than he does hitting jumpers. The most pumped up I've seen him was eating a trey of nachos. Hustling alone doesn't mean good effort to me.

Tell us how you really feel about PJ.


Tucker works harder than anyone on this team and everyone hates him. Tony Allen isn't good on offense but in Kobe's eyes he's the best defender he's ever faced. He works hard, hustles every night, and does his job. Tucker does the same thing every night. His only issue is sometimes he shoots too much.

PJ isn't the hardest working guy on the team. He was out of shape coming back off of a newly signed contract, so no. Actually Knight might be the hardest worker hilariously enough. Since when does sucking get you so much slack? People think Ronnie Price is a great defender because he pressures the ball constantly despite every advanced number suggesting otherwise. People think PJ is a winner who works harder than everyone because he does dirty work. Guess what? If PJ didn't do dirty work like get rebounds, he simply wouldn't even be in the league.

If the Suns sign me and I try really hard, mostly fail consistently, and have the occasional game where I play well, get an unheard of DUI after signing my contract extension, and pound nachos courtside while following it up with a down year, will people anoint me a winner and consummate professional at the NBA level so long as I only get the DUI once every 3 years? Great deal. Man, it sucks to be held to the standard of actually being a good player.

Truth is PJ doesn't care about scoring because he is one of the worst players in basketball at it. Accordingly he does dirty work out of necessity. Since most players care more about scoring, PJ gets drastically overrated in every non-numerical category like "effort", "professionalism", "winner's mentality" and "leadership" even though history shows effort might be the only, and I mean, only one of those things he actually does.

Well McD apparently likes him since he keeps wanting to hang onto him.

[bwgood77]

I would agree with Tyson, but not PJ.

PJ puts more effort into getting new, unheard of DUIs than he does hitting jumpers. The most pumped up I've seen him was eating a trey of nachos. Hustling alone doesn't mean good effort to me.

Tell us how you really feel about PJ.


Tucker works harder than anyone on this team and everyone hates him. Tony Allen isn't good on offense but in Kobe's eyes he's the best defender he's ever faced. He works hard, hustles every night, and does his job. Tucker does the same thing every night. His only issue is sometimes he shoots too much.

I agree. I also know that AtheJ won't change his opinion on him.

[AtheJ415]

Quit your bitching. Enjoy a Suns win and go to bed.

No thanks. I'll continue to point out how hilariously wrong you are that the vets on this team aside from Mirza are professionals, or have acted like it in their time here.

[bwgood77]

What I keep thinking about that makes me mad is that Brooklyn traded the 6 pick (Lillard if they took who Portland took) for Gerald Wallace, who I believe was a FA, kind of like we did trading a likely high pick for a guy becoming a FA. If King just doesn't make that trade and they currently have Lillard, JJ, RHJ (or whoever plays with him injured), Young and Lopez, they are likely a decent team. Damn Billy King.

[AtheJ415]

PJ puts more effort into getting new, unheard of DUIs than he does hitting jumpers. The most pumped up I've seen him was eating a trey of nachos. Hustling alone doesn't mean good effort to me.

Tell us how you really feel about PJ.


Tucker works harder than anyone on this team and everyone hates him. Tony Allen isn't good on offense but in Kobe's eyes he's the best defender he's ever faced. He works hard, hustles every night, and does his job. Tucker does the same thing every night. His only issue is sometimes he shoots too much.

I agree. I also know that AtheJ won't change his opinion on him.

Tony Allen isn't credited with being a leader, or particularly professional. He's considered a regular role player. He's also a different level defensively from Tucker. The respect Tucker gets for trying hard and being good at one thing while performing wildly inconsistently is absurd. If we held Knight to that standard we'd be raving about him.

PJ has failed this team this season. I'd argue he's failed this team ever since the DUI actually.

[bwgood77]

Tell us how you really feel about PJ.


Tucker works harder than anyone on this team and everyone hates him. Tony Allen isn't good on offense but in Kobe's eyes he's the best defender he's ever faced. He works hard, hustles every night, and does his job. Tucker does the same thing every night. His only issue is sometimes he shoots too much.

I agree. I also know that AtheJ won't change his opinion on him.

Tony Allen isn't credited with being a leader, or particularly professional. He's considered a regular role player. He's also a different level defensively from Tucker. The respect Tucker gets for trying hard and being good at one thing while performing wildly inconsistently is absurd. If we held Knight to that standard we'd be raving about him.

PJ has failed this team this season. I'd argue he's failed this team ever since the DUI actually.

Yeah, I certainly know how you feel about Tucker.

[blacksun]

Knight 3-18 needs to stop shooting so damn much when he's missing

The fact that he got up 18 shots vs Booker's 14....

One thing ive noticed in this game is Booker's less active off-ball movement. I dont know if he's pacing himself, or he's tired, or he knows Knight wont give him the ball. He'll definitely get more than 14 shots if he moved better, like he's been doing all season.

[AtheJ415]

Tell us how you really feel about PJ.


Tucker works harder than anyone on this team and everyone hates him. Tony Allen isn't good on offense but in Kobe's eyes he's the best defender he's ever faced. He works hard, hustles every night, and does his job. Tucker does the same thing every night. His only issue is sometimes he shoots too much.

PJ isn't the hardest working guy on the team. He was out of shape coming back off of a newly signed contract, so no. Actually Knight might be the hardest worker hilariously enough. Since when does sucking get you so much slack? People think Ronnie Price is a great defender because he pressures the ball constantly despite every advanced number suggesting otherwise. People think PJ is a winner who works harder than everyone because he does dirty work. Guess what? If PJ didn't do dirty work like get rebounds, he simply wouldn't even be in the league.

If the Suns sign me and I try really hard, mostly fail consistently, and have the occasional game where I play well, get an unheard of DUI after signing my contract extension, and pound nachos courtside while following it up with a down year, will people anoint me a winner and consummate professional at the NBA level so long as I only get the DUI once every 3 years? Great deal. Man, it sucks to be held to the standard of actually being a good player.

Truth is PJ doesn't care about scoring because he is one of the worst players in basketball at it. Accordingly he does dirty work out of necessity. Since most players care more about scoring, PJ gets drastically overrated in every non-numerical category like "effort", "professionalism", "winner's mentality" and "leadership" even though history shows effort might be the only, and I mean, only one of those things he actually does.

Well McD apparently likes him since he keeps wanting to hang onto him.

Which sucks. He needs to be moved. The real problem is that when he's on the team, the coach plays him, even though Warren has been better all year and our goals as a franchise clearly favor not playing him. And if we keep him next year, he'll be playing again ahead of Warren and also prevent Bogdan or Booker from stealing some minutes at the 3, all of which hurts our franchise.

He's a very poor man's Pat Beverly at the SF position. Pat doesn't get credited with being a leader or some untouchable professional. And he's a much better player. I just have 0 idea how PJ gets so much credit from people on here. Sucking but doing dirty work because somebody is paying you $5.5 million a year and you aren't capable of doing more than dirty work is not some glorious accomplishment that should be lauded by the fan base.

PJ isn't a professional. He's an irresponsible vet who the team gave a chance to come back in the league. He rewarded us by contributing mightily to getting record amounts of technicals that remove us from playoff contention in one season, follows it up by getting a crazy DUI after getting rewarded with a new contract by said team, and has been the one vet who has been here and healthy during the franchise's downfall. Seriously, how is he a leader? When has he been a leader at any level with any team? He wasn't even this well thought of by fans at Texas, where he was actually good for a college player.

The absence of effort by people who are being unbelievably unprofessional (hello Tyson for 1/2 the season) doesn't somehow make PJ's something to be praised. On any other team it wouldn't be noticed. It is literally the minimum expectation of somebody who is highly paid to play basketball for a living.

[Jdiddy701]

Idk how I feel about that win. Mirza Tucker and Tyson wining games for us is not the same as Booker and Len.


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[AtheJ415]

Knight 3-18 needs to stop shooting so damn much when he's missing

The fact that he got up 18 shots vs Booker's 14....

One thing ive noticed in this game is Booker's less active off-ball movement. I dont know if he's pacing himself, or he's tired, or he knows Knight wont give him the ball. He'll definitely get more than 14 shots if he moved better, like he's been doing all season.

I don't think that'll end up being a problem long-term. For now, if Knight can help us lose and eat up minutes while showing some flashes we'll be fine. He'll be moved or kept in the new salary structure and be a bargain in said new role. So we'll either get something good for him or he'll back up Bledsoe and Booker and be needed to score with the bench.

[blacksun]

This is when losing TJ Warren really stings. We have to watch PJ win us games. Now i dont hate him as much as AtheJ does but this win makes zero sense. If it was TJ getting 23 and 12, we'd be jumping for joy even with the win.