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Jdiddy701 wrote:Idk how I feel about that win. Mirza Tucker and Tyson wining games for us is not the same as Booker and Len.
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AtheJ415 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:AtheJ415 wrote:
PJ isn't the hardest working guy on the team. He was out of shape coming back off of a newly signed contract, so no. Actually Knight might be the hardest worker hilariously enough. Since when does sucking get you so much slack? People think Ronnie Price is a great defender because he pressures the ball constantly despite every advanced number suggesting otherwise. People think PJ is a winner who works harder than everyone because he does dirty work. Guess what? If PJ didn't do dirty work like get rebounds, he simply wouldn't even be in the league.
If the Suns sign me and I try really hard, mostly fail consistently, and have the occasional game where I play well, get an unheard of DUI after signing my contract extension, and pound nachos courtside while following it up with a down year, will people anoint me a winner and consummate professional at the NBA level so long as I only get the DUI once every 3 years? Great deal. Man, it sucks to be held to the standard of actually being a good player.
Truth is PJ doesn't care about scoring because he is one of the worst players in basketball at it. Accordingly he does dirty work out of necessity. Since most players care more about scoring, PJ gets drastically overrated in every non-numerical category like "effort", "professionalism", "winner's mentality" and "leadership" even though history shows effort might be the only, and I mean, only one of those things he actually does.
Well McD apparently likes him since he keeps wanting to hang onto him.
Which sucks. He needs to be moved. The real problem is that when he's on the team, the coach plays him, even though Warren has been better all year and our goals as a franchise clearly favor not playing him. And if we keep him next year, he'll be playing again ahead of Warren and also prevent Bogdan or Booker from stealing some minutes at the 3, all of which hurts our franchise.
He's a very poor man's Pat Beverly at the SF position. Pat doesn't get credited with being a leader or some untouchable professional. And he's a much better player. I just have 0 idea how PJ gets so much credit from people on here. Sucking but doing dirty work because somebody is paying you $5.5 million a year and you aren't capable of doing more than dirty work is not some glorious accomplishment that should be lauded by the fan base.
PJ isn't a professional. He's an irresponsible vet who the team gave a chance to come back in the league. He rewarded us by contributing mightily to getting record amounts of technicals that remove us from playoff contention in one season, follows it up by getting a crazy DUI after getting rewarded with a new contract by said team, and has been the one vet who has been here and healthy during the franchise's downfall. Seriously, how is he a leader? When has he been a leader at any level with any team? He wasn't even this well thought of by fans at Texas, where he was actually good for a college player.
The absence of effort by people who are being unbelievably unprofessional (hello Tyson for 1/2 the season) doesn't somehow make PJ's something to be praised. On any other team it wouldn't be noticed. It is literally the minimum expectation of somebody who is highly paid to play basketball for a living.
AtheJ415 wrote:Jdiddy701 wrote:Idk how I feel about that win. Mirza Tucker and Tyson wining games for us is not the same as Booker and Len.
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It's bad. What's also kind of sad is that with our vets busting their asses for once we can still barely beat a pretty awful Minnesota team at home.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
Qwigglez wrote:On a better note, Alex Len with his 9th straight double digit rebounding game. Len has been an animal since the all-star game!
Tucker with a killer game 23/11/5/2, man he sucks. 
letsgosuns wrote:Btw, I know Tucker had a great stat line, but there was one play in the fourth quarter that spotlighted how stupid he is. When the Suns had a fast break and it was three on one under the hoop and Leuer was trailing with his hands up, all Tucker needed to do was pass him the ball for an easy dunk/layup. Instead he drove straight at the defender and missed the shot and missed the put backs too and the Suns did not score. It was a basic basketball play and Tucker was unable to execute it. I said this before and I will say it again now. I think getting rid of Tucker this offseason is a major key towards changing the culture of the Phoenix Suns and distancing themselves from the last remaining link of the Lance Blanks era.
batsmasher wrote:Cry me a freakin river we won a game.
Go Suns.
You are a terrible fan if you think a team who works their butts off for a win shouldn't because you want more lottery balls. I can't even begin to explain how grateful I am that the NBA is run by basketball minds who know that lotto balls aren't the be all and end all.
