Game 67: Detroit Pistons (34-32) @ Washington Wizards (30-35) - 8:00 PM ET

[DTP]

A bunch of guys that only get to see men on tv or from hundreds of feet away in arenas are debating about their leadership qualities...lol.

[Todd3]

What winning team had the coach as the ONLY leader?

Is this a winning team yet? They have to learn how to win first themselves before they can tell others how to do it. Stan is teaching them how to win. That is usually how young teams are developed. And his top 10 all time win % qualifies him to do such.

His playing experience is irrelevant. How many NBA games did Daly or Popovich play? How many championships did Mo Cheeks win us?

Daly and Popovich also had/have players who are vocal leaders on and off the court. They didn't coach them into leaders, they were leaders, and their talent was perfected by a coach. Mo Cheeks won the same number of championships that Stan did on the bench.

Hearing it from a peer is a lot of times more beneficial than hearing it from the coach. Especially when said peer has the resume to back it up. Stan's constantly turned up to 11, and it's going to start wearing on players really quick. Best situation for this team would be to bring in a Derek Fisher-esque player to mentor and guide these youngsters.

If SVG was so able to LEAD this team, then why can't he motivate Drummond to actually play when he's on the court? Watching him yell at Drummond all the way back to a seat on the bench hasn't been too successful yet, so I don't really see what's going to click all of a sudden to flip that switch.

Isiah's vocal leadership meant nothing until they started winning. No one cares what the leader of a losing team has to say. That's like the blind leading the blind.

I agree with you that Stan overreacts too much at times, but he does have former players on his staff like Hardaway, Richardson, and Malik Allen as buffers to the players. Considering how much better this team is than before, and that Drummond is having a career year and just made his first All-Star game, I'd say Stan's leadership methods are working.

Once we make the playoffs and guys get that experience, I expect their leadership skills to form naturally. I also expect they will take games more seriously once they fully realize how important every game and possession is in the playoffs. Someone with that experience already has to lead them there first though, and for this team that is Stan.

[El Chivo]

I enlight you to be a joke. Shooters, shooters, think about shoot yourself, instead. You and your 1-5 bullsh**

^ I'll proudly take my warning for "backseat modding" for the following post, but the quoted was reported nearly 24 hours ago and remains on the board, so I feel the need to say something. And El Chivo, I'm honestly not sure if English is your first language, so I'll try to make this as clear as I can — I know you were trying to make a joke, but suicide is NEVER okay to joke about, on this or any other message board. NEVER. Some of us have had loved ones attempt to take their own lives, and some of us have had loved ones succeed at it. I can only assume that a person who has never had someone they love kill themselves would make a joke like that, so please consider yourself lucky and cut that s*** out.

I apologize if I hurted your sensitivity and someone elses' one.

I was pretty upset for the >40 point loss and read about shooters and spacing after that, but my behaviour was not justifiable.

[Arp590]

I was pretty upset for the >40 point loss and read about shooters and spacing after that

40 point loss, 5 point loss, 5 point win.. there is no difference! Either way shooting and spacing is an issue and it should always be brought up as an issue whether we win or lose. Just because we manage to squeak out a win doesn't make it a non-issue.
This is an ongoing issue that needs to be corrected if we want to win more.

[Arp590]

1.) Defensively teams are going to close out on all shooters regardless of their percentages.

That's true, but their percentage determines whether their defender is glued to them for the entire possession or if their defender is sitting in the paint guarding our pick and roll.
When you are guarding a guy like Marcus Morris who is only shooting 31% from 3, you can sag off quite a bit to help in the paint(which they often do as soon as Reggie uses the pick)
I mean sure they close out once the kick out happens to contest the shot a little bit, but Marcus is going to miss more often than not, so they aren't punished for sagging off him.

If we have someone out there shooting 37-38%+ who we kick it out to that can consistently hit open shots, well their defender is going to think twice about leaving his man to help on the pick and roll.

I've also seen several times where Reggie chooses not to pass it to Morris when he is wide open from 3, because it's just not a great shot for us.

[El Chivo]

I saw Jackson not passing to Drummond guarded by Ish Smith post-up. Maybe you're overrating Jackson court vision.

[DocRI]

I enlight you to be a joke. Shooters, shooters, think about shoot yourself, instead. You and your 1-5 bullsh**

^ I'll proudly take my warning for "backseat modding" for the following post, but the quoted was reported nearly 24 hours ago and remains on the board, so I feel the need to say something. And El Chivo, I'm honestly not sure if English is your first language, so I'll try to make this as clear as I can — I know you were trying to make a joke, but suicide is NEVER okay to joke about, on this or any other message board. NEVER. Some of us have had loved ones attempt to take their own lives, and some of us have had loved ones succeed at it. I can only assume that a person who has never had someone they love kill themselves would make a joke like that, so please consider yourself lucky and cut that s*** out.

I apologize if I hurted your sensitivity and someone elses' one.

I was pretty upset for the >40 point loss and read about shooters and spacing after that, but my behaviour was not justifiable.

It's cool man, and thank you. That's just a very dark and painful subject. And if there was ever a Pistons game to which overreacting is understandable, it was that train wreck versus WAS!

[Arp590]

I saw Jackson not passing to Drummond guarded by Ish Smith post-up. Maybe you're overrating Jackson court vision.

I don't think he has great court vision, but give him more space to operate and it makes it easier to make up for his lack of court vision.

[flow]

A bunch of guys that only get to see men on tv or from hundreds of feet away in arenas are debating about their leadership qualities...lol.

Newsflash: It's a basketball fan forum.

[Blkbrd671]

1.) Defensively teams are going to close out on all shooters regardless of their percentages.

That's true, but their percentage determines whether their defender is glued to them for the entire possession or if their defender is sitting in the paint guarding our pick and roll.
When you are guarding a guy like Marcus Morris who is only shooting 31% from 3, you can sag off quite a bit to help in the paint(which they often do as soon as Reggie uses the pick)
I mean sure they close out once the kick out happens to contest the shot a little bit, but Marcus is going to miss more often than not, so they aren't punished for sagging off him.

If we have someone out there shooting 37-38%+ who we kick it out to that can consistently hit open shots, well their defender is going to think twice about leaving his man to help on the pick and roll.

I've also seen several times where Reggie chooses not to pass it to Morris when he is wide open from 3, because it's just not a great shot for us.

while you have a point neither of our perceptions can be generalized. Throughout the course of the game a defender may take a chance and cheat a little or stick to his defender and it changes per perception and what the coach game plan calls for. This whole notion that the game plan is to give up a open shot all game is absurd. Its both