2016 Draft

[bwgood77]

Marquese Chriss with a big game in the NIT last night.

27 pts on 11-17 shooting, 11 boards a block and a steal.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400871460

And wow, the AZ/Wichita St game line is set at pick em.

[bwgood77]

Kevin Pelton: Ben Simmons remains a flashpoint. In the wake of LSU's lopsided loss to Texas A&M in the SEC tournament, questions have been raised anew about Simmons' poor outside shooting, his effort and his maturity.

ESPN's Seth Greenberg, among others, has said this week that Simmons is no longer the No. 1 prospect.

Chad, you wrote about these questions on Saturday, and we discussed Simmons in February, concluding then that he should still be considered the top prospect in this year's draft.

Since Saturday's game, you've had a few days to connect with teams and get their thoughts. Have any of them moved Duke's Brandon Ingram ahead of Simmons?

Chad Ford: Not really, and I spoke with a number of general managers for teams projected to be in the lottery.

I chose GMs instead of scouts because in most cases the GM is the final decision-maker. Most GMs by now have a very good handle on the top prospects.

Most of them acknowledged that they had concerns about Simmons. They had a lot of questions. He is no longer the lock that he was in say, November or December.

But I couldn't get any of them to go so far as to say that they have replaced Simmons as the No. 1 player on the board. The closest I got? "Too early to tell" from one GM, and "Hung jury inside our group" from another.

A couple were adamant that Simmons was the only player in this draft who was worthy of the No. 1 pick.

"Sure, I've been disappointed," one said. "We have some concerns about him. But if it's not Simmons, who is it? I don't feel like there's a strong No. 2 option in this draft. There's no obvious guy that is clearly ahead of him."

So maybe that's a question we should tackle, Kevin. If Simmons were not the No. 1 pick, who would be? What do the numbers say?

Pelton: It's probably Ingram, but I don't see him as a No. 1-caliber prospect. In fact, only once in the past nine drafts would he qualify as the second-best prospect, according to my projections. (That would be in 2012, when there was a huge drop-off after Anthony Davis.)

In terms of my statistical projections, Ingram is not far ahead of Jamal Murray.

Some of the discrepancy may be that I'm putting a lot less stock in Ingram's 41.3 percent 3-point shooting than many scouts. As we've discussed, 179 attempts just doesn't tell us that much about Ingram's ability to shoot the NBA 3. Furthermore, his sub-70 percent free throw shooting is worrisome given that college foul shooting tends to predict NBA 3-point shooting about as well as college 3-point shooting.

Ironically, in this case I'm paying less attention to the numbers because of the tendency of 3-point field goal percentage to be a bit random.

A lot more in the article, so here is the link...

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14984946/ben-simmons-no-1-pick-2016-nba-draft

[jcsunsfan]

Assuming we do not get one of the top two picks, I think the player I want is Jaylen Brown. In fact, I would trade up to the third pick to get him. His size, strength, speed, smarts, and intensity will guarantee him a long effective NBA career as a lock down defender for 3 positions. If he can add a corner three, like Tucker did, he will be deadly.

Every championship team has to have a defender like that, whether its DGreen, LeBron, Kahwi, or even Paul George pre injury. We don't have one (no, not PJ at least any more). Its probably a BPA and need combo that is ideal.

My horror scenario might be having the second pick and having Simmons on the board when we draft.

[saintEscaton]

I'm not his biggest fan but I would be fine with Simmons just as long as we don't try any new gimmicky systems or give him the reigns to run the halfcourt offense where he won't excel, ideally he should be the secondary playmaker next to a non-ball dominant PG he can defer to. However he tends to fall asleep when its not in his hands, and he needs to diversify his game to stay engaged. Right now he's solely a sraightline driver who doesn't project to be an elite scorer unless he can get to the line at will in the NBA and he's not a physically imposing specimen. Simmons gets the majority of his assists in transition, so we might go back to being a run n' gun team.We are the near league leaders in pace but I think thats more a byproduct of chucking/poor shot clock management and early defensive lapses resulting in more possessions rather than pushing the break.

[bwgood77]

Assuming we do not get one of the top two picks, I think the player I want is Jaylen Brown. In fact, I would trade up to the third pick to get him. His size, strength, speed, smarts, and intensity will guarantee him a long effective NBA career as a lock down defender for 3 positions. If he can add a corner three, like Tucker did, he will be deadly.

Every championship team has to have a defender like that, whether its DGreen, LeBron, Kahwi, or even Paul George pre injury. We don't have one (no, not PJ at least any more). Its probably a BPA and need combo that is ideal.

My horror scenario might be having the second pick and having Simmons on the board when we draft.

That's not a bad horror scenario. I like Brown ok, but I think people talk about him being an elite defender based on theory due to athleticism and wingspan. Some things that indicate successful transition to the nba (such as steal rate) he has not been particularly good at (.7) per game which is about half of what wings in last year's draft (Winslow and Johnson) did. It's just too bad we once have a high pick when a Duke fan who has watched every minute of every Duke game says he would take Winslow 10 times out of 10 over Ingram and then Brown, projected 3rd, is like a very poor man's version of those wings from last year. And that's just defense. Offensively he isn't close except maybe getting to the rim which isn't what we really need from the wing position.

Even though it's big unknown, Bender is intriguing, only because the knowns are nothing special for top picks in a draft. We very well may end up with a better player in the long run with the Washington pick.

I'll trust McD with whoever he takes, but I just really hope the guy ends up with a good bbiq, can shoot, is unselfish and has the athleticism to turn into a good defender. I know that's asking a lot, but they are all pretty important.

[jcsunsfan]

Assuming we do not get one of the top two picks, I think the player I want is Jaylen Brown. In fact, I would trade up to the third pick to get him. His size, strength, speed, smarts, and intensity will guarantee him a long effective NBA career as a lock down defender for 3 positions. If he can add a corner three, like Tucker did, he will be deadly.

Every championship team has to have a defender like that, whether its DGreen, LeBron, Kahwi, or even Paul George pre injury. We don't have one (no, not PJ at least any more). Its probably a BPA and need combo that is ideal.

My horror scenario might be having the second pick and having Simmons on the board when we draft.

That's not a bad horror scenario. I like Brown ok, but I think people talk about him being an elite defender based on theory due to athleticism and wingspan. Some things that indicate successful transition to the nba (such as steal rate) he has not been particularly good at (.7) per game which is about half of what wings in last year's draft (Winslow and Johnson) did. It's just too bad we once have a high pick when a Duke fan who has watched every minute of every Duke game says he would take Winslow 10 times out of 10 over Ingram and then Brown, projected 3rd, is like a very poor man's version of those wings from last year. And that's just defense. Offensively he isn't close except maybe getting to the rim which isn't what we really need from the wing position.

Even though it's big unknown, Bender is intriguing, only because the knowns are nothing special for top picks in a draft. We very well may end up with a better player in the long run with the Washington pick.

I'll trust McD with whoever he takes, but I just really hope the guy ends up with a good bbiq, can shoot, is unselfish and has the athleticism to turn into a good defender. I know that's asking a lot, but they are all pretty important.

Simmons is universally panned for his defense, but his steal rate is higher than Browns.

[MathiasPW]

Bender first just because he has flaws I have yet to find out about. Once I do, I'll pick another unknown as my first. All the known options suck at #1

[AtheJ415]

Assuming we do not get one of the top two picks, I think the player I want is Jaylen Brown. In fact, I would trade up to the third pick to get him. His size, strength, speed, smarts, and intensity will guarantee him a long effective NBA career as a lock down defender for 3 positions. If he can add a corner three, like Tucker did, he will be deadly.

Every championship team has to have a defender like that, whether its DGreen, LeBron, Kahwi, or even Paul George pre injury. We don't have one (no, not PJ at least any more). Its probably a BPA and need combo that is ideal.

My horror scenario might be having the second pick and having Simmons on the board when we draft.

That's not a bad horror scenario. I like Brown ok, but I think people talk about him being an elite defender based on theory due to athleticism and wingspan. Some things that indicate successful transition to the nba (such as steal rate) he has not been particularly good at (.7) per game which is about half of what wings in last year's draft (Winslow and Johnson) did. It's just too bad we once have a high pick when a Duke fan who has watched every minute of every Duke game says he would take Winslow 10 times out of 10 over Ingram and then Brown, projected 3rd, is like a very poor man's version of those wings from last year. And that's just defense. Offensively he isn't close except maybe getting to the rim which isn't what we really need from the wing position.

Even though it's big unknown, Bender is intriguing, only because the knowns are nothing special for top picks in a draft. We very well may end up with a better player in the long run with the Washington pick.

I'll trust McD with whoever he takes, but I just really hope the guy ends up with a good bbiq, can shoot, is unselfish and has the athleticism to turn into a good defender. I know that's asking a lot, but they are all pretty important.

Simmons is universally panned for his defense, but his steal rate is higher than Browns.

Steal rate isn't really indicative of defense though. For instance, Rondo used to get tons of steals by gambling constantly, which left his teammates out to dry in Boston and caused confrontations behind the scenes. Steals are projectable to the NBA, but make no mistake, Brown is a different stratosphere defensively than what Simmons has shown thus far.

[Duke4life831]

Assuming we do not get one of the top two picks, I think the player I want is Jaylen Brown. In fact, I would trade up to the third pick to get him. His size, strength, speed, smarts, and intensity will guarantee him a long effective NBA career as a lock down defender for 3 positions. If he can add a corner three, like Tucker did, he will be deadly.

Every championship team has to have a defender like that, whether its DGreen, LeBron, Kahwi, or even Paul George pre injury. We don't have one (no, not PJ at least any more). Its probably a BPA and need combo that is ideal.

My horror scenario might be having the second pick and having Simmons on the board when we draft.

That's not a bad horror scenario. I like Brown ok, but I think people talk about him being an elite defender based on theory due to athleticism and wingspan. Some things that indicate successful transition to the nba (such as steal rate) he has not been particularly good at (.7) per game which is about half of what wings in last year's draft (Winslow and Johnson) did. It's just too bad we once have a high pick when a Duke fan who has watched every minute of every Duke game says he would take Winslow 10 times out of 10 over Ingram and then Brown, projected 3rd, is like a very poor man's version of those wings from last year. And that's just defense. Offensively he isn't close except maybe getting to the rim which isn't what we really need from the wing position.

Even though it's big unknown, Bender is intriguing, only because the knowns are nothing special for top picks in a draft. We very well may end up with a better player in the long run with the Washington pick.

I'll trust McD with whoever he takes, but I just really hope the guy ends up with a good bbiq, can shoot, is unselfish and has the athleticism to turn into a good defender. I know that's asking a lot, but they are all pretty important.

I like Brown. It's hard not to like his potential with his size and athleticism. But if you draft him you are drafting a guy all on potential. I compare him more to Stanley than Justise. Justise was an elite defender on the college level guarding 1-4 from day 1 and he's been an elite perimeter defender from day 1 in the NBA. He also can be a beast on the boards, he averaged 8 boards a game in February. Stanley in my opinion is more of a jack of all trades, not as good on the defensive end as Justise but a little more rounded out offensive game.

Brown doesn't really have to much offensive skill, scores a lot just from being bigger and more athletic than his opponent and he's not the defender Stanley was in college. So ya I would definitely put Brown behind Winslow and Stanley. So in last year's draft I think he would go late lottery. But with this years draft out of the college guys (I don't know a thing about the Euros except for youtube highlights), taking Brown 3rd wouldn't be to much of a reach. Just know he has huge bust potential, but if the dude puts it together he can be pretty good

[Damkac]

Don't know if this have any worth but I was checking Bender's stats in games this year when he played more than 10 minutes. There are his averages from those 15 games (EuroCup, Euroleague and Israel league) plus stats per 36 minutes:
Minutes - 17,4
Points - 7,6 (15,8)
Rebounds - 3,3 (6,8)
Assists - 0,8 (1,7)
Blocks - 1,2 (2,4)
Steals - 0,8 (1,6)
Turnovers - 0,8 (1,6)
Fouls - 2,6 (5,5)
Shooting:
2pt 22/40 55%
3pt 19/45 42%
FT 14/20 70%

Hope I didn't made any mistakes
Considering that he plays against much older and more mature players those stats aren't bad. Only worrisome thing are fouls. His blocks and steals are pleasant surprise. It's also interesting that he shoot more 3 pointers than 2 pointers.
But as I said I don't know if this have any worth. I was just curious how would his stats looks if remove the games when he stayed on the court just for few minutes.

[JMac1]

Assuming we do not get one of the top two picks, I think the player I want is Jaylen Brown. In fact, I would trade up to the third pick to get him. His size, strength, speed, smarts, and intensity will guarantee him a long effective NBA career as a lock down defender for 3 positions. If he can add a corner three, like Tucker did, he will be deadly.

Every championship team has to have a defender like that, whether its DGreen, LeBron, Kahwi, or even Paul George pre injury. We don't have one (no, not PJ at least any more). Its probably a BPA and need combo that is ideal.

My horror scenario might be having the second pick and having Simmons on the board when we draft.

That's not a bad horror scenario. I like Brown ok, but I think people talk about him being an elite defender based on theory due to athleticism and wingspan. Some things that indicate successful transition to the nba (such as steal rate) he has not been particularly good at (.7) per game which is about half of what wings in last year's draft (Winslow and Johnson) did. It's just too bad we once have a high pick when a Duke fan who has watched every minute of every Duke game says he would take Winslow 10 times out of 10 over Ingram and then Brown, projected 3rd, is like a very poor man's version of those wings from last year. And that's just defense. Offensively he isn't close except maybe getting to the rim which isn't what we really need from the wing position.

Even though it's big unknown, Bender is intriguing, only because the knowns are nothing special for top picks in a draft. We very well may end up with a better player in the long run with the Washington pick.

I'll trust McD with whoever he takes, but I just really hope the guy ends up with a good bbiq, can shoot, is unselfish and has the athleticism to turn into a good defender. I know that's asking a lot, but they are all pretty important.

I like Brown. It's hard not to like his potential with his size and athleticism. But if you draft him you are drafting a guy all on potential. I compare him more to Stanley than Justise. Justise was an elite defender on the college level guarding 1-4 from day 1 and he's been an elite perimeter defender from day 1 in the NBA. He also can be a beast on the boards, he averaged 8 boards a game in February. Stanley in my opinion is more of a jack of all trades, not as good on the defensive end as Justise but a little more rounded out offensive game.

Brown doesn't really have to much offensive skill, scores a lot just from being bigger and more athletic than his opponent and he's not the defender Stanley was in college. So ya I would definitely put Brown behind Winslow and Stanley. So in last year's draft I think he would go late lottery. But with this years draft out of the college guys (I don't know a thing about the Euros except for youtube highlights), taking Brown 3rd wouldn't be to much of a reach. Just know he has huge bust potential, but if the dude puts it together he can be pretty good

That's why I say Dunn or Murray. You can't pick a guy just to be picking a guy to fill a void; if the void can't be filled effectively, you draft BPA, why rationalize a bad choice to feel better about the pick?

Our list should be:
Simmons
Ingram
Murray
Dunn
Bender
Brown

fyi: I am not high on Bender. Never seen him play against quality opponents and he doesn't play in the league he is in.

[Saberestar]

Interesting article about Bender, it was written one month ago.
An excerpt....

Bender’s most underrated quality is his toughness. Some may look at his lanky frame and assume he’s just another soft European 7-footer who only wants to hide on the perimeter and jack up 3-pointers, but in reality that couldn’t be further from the truth.

Bender is a competitor who has a relentless motor.He was forced to sit out the initial part of a recent practice we attended to continue to rehab his foot injury (causing most of the dozen NBA scouts in attendance to leave), but begged his way back onto the floor. He proceeded to throw his body around with reckless abandon in five-on-five action. Maccabi’s staff urged him to take it easy, but Bender simply doesn’t know how to do that at this point in his career. He ended up tweaking his ankle after pursuing a rebound, which finally put him back on the sidelines.

“The kid is simply special,” a member of Maccabi’s coaching told The Vertical. “I’ve never been around someone that age with that kind of character. He’s not afraid of anything or anyone.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/european-dispatch--getting-to-know-dragan-bender-195451386.html

[bwgood77]

That's why I say Dunn or Murray. You can't pick a guy just to be picking a guy to fill a void; if the void can't be filled effectively, you draft BPA, why rationalize a bad choice to feel better about the pick?

Our list should be:
Simmons
Ingram
Murray
Dunn
Bender
Brown

fyi: I am not high on Bender. Never seen him play against quality opponents and he doesn't play in the league he is in.

Being a Murray fan you'll be happy to know Suns scouts were at several Kentucky games based on the tweets in this thread...about 5 posts down... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431730

Sure, they could have made the trip out there to see Labissiere in his 8 minutes or whatever as well.

Or Ulis. Some seem to think Ulis is one of the best point guards in the draft.

It's also mentioned we had a scout in Oregon for the Oregon/Washington game so maybe they were taking a look at Marquese Chriss.

[AtheJ415]

Don't know if this have any worth but I was checking Bender's stats in games this year when he played more than 10 minutes. There are his averages from those 15 games (EuroCup, Euroleague and Israel league) plus stats per 36 minutes:
Minutes - 17,4
Points - 7,6 (15,8)
Rebounds - 3,3 (6,8)
Assists - 0,8 (1,7)
Blocks - 1,2 (2,4)
Steals - 0,8 (1,6)
Turnovers - 0,8 (1,6)
Fouls - 2,6 (5,5)
Shooting:
2pt 22/40 55%
3pt 19/45 42%
FT 14/20 70%

Hope I didn't made any mistakes
Considering that he plays against much older and more mature players those stats aren't bad. Only worrisome thing are fouls. His blocks and steals are pleasant surprise. It's also interesting that he shoot more 3 pointers than 2 pointers.
But as I said I don't know if this have any worth. I was just curious how would his stats looks if remove the games when he stayed on the court just for few minutes.

Imo he's the best defender on the board of any of the top prospects. If we're at spot 3 or later and he's there we shouldn't be taking anybody else.

[Duke4life831]

That's not a bad horror scenario. I like Brown ok, but I think people talk about him being an elite defender based on theory due to athleticism and wingspan. Some things that indicate successful transition to the nba (such as steal rate) he has not been particularly good at (.7) per game which is about half of what wings in last year's draft (Winslow and Johnson) did. It's just too bad we once have a high pick when a Duke fan who has watched every minute of every Duke game says he would take Winslow 10 times out of 10 over Ingram and then Brown, projected 3rd, is like a very poor man's version of those wings from last year. And that's just defense. Offensively he isn't close except maybe getting to the rim which isn't what we really need from the wing position.

Even though it's big unknown, Bender is intriguing, only because the knowns are nothing special for top picks in a draft. We very well may end up with a better player in the long run with the Washington pick.

I'll trust McD with whoever he takes, but I just really hope the guy ends up with a good bbiq, can shoot, is unselfish and has the athleticism to turn into a good defender. I know that's asking a lot, but they are all pretty important.

I like Brown. It's hard not to like his potential with his size and athleticism. But if you draft him you are drafting a guy all on potential. I compare him more to Stanley than Justise. Justise was an elite defender on the college level guarding 1-4 from day 1 and he's been an elite perimeter defender from day 1 in the NBA. He also can be a beast on the boards, he averaged 8 boards a game in February. Stanley in my opinion is more of a jack of all trades, not as good on the defensive end as Justise but a little more rounded out offensive game.

Brown doesn't really have to much offensive skill, scores a lot just from being bigger and more athletic than his opponent and he's not the defender Stanley was in college. So ya I would definitely put Brown behind Winslow and Stanley. So in last year's draft I think he would go late lottery. But with this years draft out of the college guys (I don't know a thing about the Euros except for youtube highlights), taking Brown 3rd wouldn't be to much of a reach. Just know he has huge bust potential, but if the dude puts it together he can be pretty good

That's why I say Dunn or Murray. You can't pick a guy just to be picking a guy to fill a void; if the void can't be filled effectively, you draft BPA, why rationalize a bad choice to feel better about the pick?

Our list should be:
Simmons
Ingram
Murray
Dunn
Bender
Brown

fyi: I am not high on Bender. Never seen him play against quality opponents and he doesn't play in the league he is in.

I personally would take Brown before Murray. I don't see any need for you guys to take Murray when you have Booker. I can see the Dunn pick if you guys aren't sure about Bledsoe because his injuries. I just think after 2, 3 through like 8 are very even and you take what you need. I think you guys are in need for a forward. I think Brown would be a good pick for you guys if you don't land a top 2 pick

[JMac1]

I like Brown. It's hard not to like his potential with his size and athleticism. But if you draft him you are drafting a guy all on potential. I compare him more to Stanley than Justise. Justise was an elite defender on the college level guarding 1-4 from day 1 and he's been an elite perimeter defender from day 1 in the NBA. He also can be a beast on the boards, he averaged 8 boards a game in February. Stanley in my opinion is more of a jack of all trades, not as good on the defensive end as Justise but a little more rounded out offensive game.

Brown doesn't really have to much offensive skill, scores a lot just from being bigger and more athletic than his opponent and he's not the defender Stanley was in college. So ya I would definitely put Brown behind Winslow and Stanley. So in last year's draft I think he would go late lottery. But with this years draft out of the college guys (I don't know a thing about the Euros except for youtube highlights), taking Brown 3rd wouldn't be to much of a reach. Just know he has huge bust potential, but if the dude puts it together he can be pretty good

That's why I say Dunn or Murray. You can't pick a guy just to be picking a guy to fill a void; if the void can't be filled effectively, you draft BPA, why rationalize a bad choice to feel better about the pick?

Our list should be:
Simmons
Ingram
Murray
Dunn
Bender
Brown

fyi: I am not high on Bender. Never seen him play against quality opponents and he doesn't play in the league he is in.

I personally would take Brown before Murray. I don't see any need for you guys to take Murray when you have Booker. I can see the Dunn pick if you guys aren't sure about Bledsoe because his injuries. I just think after 2, 3 through like 8 are very even and you take what you need. I think you guys are in need for a forward. I think Brown would be a good pick for you guys if you don't land a top 2 pick

Why would we waste the 3-5 on a guy that isn't very good, versus rolling the dice on Murray? You don't draft a "maybe" role player at 3-5 because of need. I'd rather have Bender.

[JMac1]

That's why I say Dunn or Murray. You can't pick a guy just to be picking a guy to fill a void; if the void can't be filled effectively, you draft BPA, why rationalize a bad choice to feel better about the pick?

Our list should be:
Simmons
Ingram
Murray
Dunn
Bender
Brown

fyi: I am not high on Bender. Never seen him play against quality opponents and he doesn't play in the league he is in.

Being a Murray fan you'll be happy to know Suns scouts were at several Kentucky games based on the tweets in this thread...about 5 posts down... viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431730

Sure, they could have made the trip out there to see Labissiere in his 8 minutes or whatever as well.

Or Ulis. Some seem to think Ulis is one of the best point guards in the draft.

It's also mentioned we had a scout in Oregon for the Oregon/Washington game so maybe they were taking a look at Marquese Chriss.

I think the Suns learned from the Markieff over Kawhi gaffe..... Get the BPA and go from there. Murray is a baller. People think too much, until someone tells me Brown is better, I really don't want to hear why we should take an inferior player

[blacksun]

I personally would take Brown before Murray. I don't see any need for you guys to take Murray when you have Booker. I can see the Dunn pick if you guys aren't sure about Bledsoe because his injuries. I just think after 2, 3 through like 8 are very even and you take what you need. I think you guys are in need for a forward. I think Brown would be a good pick for you guys if you don't land a top 2 pick

I dont think McD cares about fit at all. He drafted Booker despite having Goodwin, Bledsoe, Knight, and Bogdanovic waiting in the wings. Same with Murray. And drafting the best player available is the best approach IMO.

Here's my list:
Simmons
Ingram
Murray
Bender
Brown
Dunn

I really like Murray, I think he has All-Star potential. Brown and Dunn not so much, but definitely high floor guys. Dream scenario is drafting one of Simmons/Ingram with our pick, one of Davis/Chriss with the WAS pick, and packaging Knight/Goodwin/CLE 1st/PHX 2nd plus whatever to get Murray.

[JMac1]

I personally would take Brown before Murray. I don't see any need for you guys to take Murray when you have Booker. I can see the Dunn pick if you guys aren't sure about Bledsoe because his injuries. I just think after 2, 3 through like 8 are very even and you take what you need. I think you guys are in need for a forward. I think Brown would be a good pick for you guys if you don't land a top 2 pick

I dont think McD cares about fit at all. He drafted Booker despite having Goodwin, Bledsoe, Knight, and Bogdanovic waiting in the wings. Same with Murray. And drafting the best player available is the best approach IMO.

Here's my list:
Simmons
Ingram
Murray
Bender
Brown
Dunn

I really like Murray, I think he has All-Star potential. Brown and Dunn not so much, but definitely high floor guys. Dream scenario is drafting one of Simmons/Ingram with our pick, one of Davis/Chriss with the WAS pick, and packaging Knight/Goodwin/CLE 1st/PHX 2nd plus whatever to get Murray.

Brandon Ingram has emerged as the most probable candidate to challenge Ben Simmons for the first overall pick in the 2016 NBA Draft.

According to the projections of Kevin Pelton, Ingram would qualify as the second-best prospect just once in the past nine drafts (2012 behind Anthony Davis).

Ingram is not far ahead of Jamal Murray based on Pelton's projections.

[saintEscaton]

Vehemently disagree, Murray is the last thing we need.