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Tank Fest Update Around the League

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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#441 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:24 am

jcsunsfan wrote:All depends on so many other things. Simmons is so supremely talented but an NBA team has to know what to do with him. What do you do with a 6-10 rebounding pf that wants to play pg on offense and cannot shoot outside of 8 feet? And then there is his defense. Yikes.

With Ingram, you know what to do with him.

Skal has been ripped and sat by Calipari all season. I have a hunch Watson could get him going.

Bender is an unknown and likely a huge defensive liability.


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Donald_Trade wrote:Less excited about Ingram although I am conceeding that Ingram overall is a safer pick than Simmons with a better chance to be a star. Simmons has a higher ceiling but due to his limitations as a shooter I think he is a higher chance to underachieve also.

Watched some highlights of Ingram last night, admittedly for the first time and he does remind me a lot of KD. Long, wiry, but fast, coordinated, great handles and a good shot. I do echo your assessment of Simmons vs Ingram in terms of reaching their potential. Ingram seems like a guy you can slot on any team and he'll be able to get you buckets in any role on offense. Simmons, I feel will take some time to get into the flow of the offense unless a team is built specifically around his strengths.
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#442 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:35 am

I think people are easily swayed by narrative. Last year Frank Kaminsky was the next Pau Gasol.

Ben Simmons is every part as good as was touted at the start of the year, and the question marks that apply to him can equally be applied to Ingram (shooting %, character, defense etc...) Bender averages 2 points a game or something since he started playing people over 17.
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#443 » by saintEscaton » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:04 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I think people are easily swayed by narrative. Last year Frank Kaminsky was the next Pau Gasol.

Ben Simmons is every part as good as was touted at the start of the year, and the question marks that apply to him can equally be applied to Ingram (shooting %, character, defense etc...) Bender averages 2 points a game or something since he started playing people over 17.



No Ingram is regarded for his work ethic and killer instinct he brings on to the court, he did a number on Cat Barber and his freakish measurable gives him more two-way upside, but could also end up being Wesley Johnson so is a bigger risk IMO . Simmons won't bust he will have a solid career but he was no were near the generational prospect ESPN and Magic made him out to be . MJ exemplifes how being GOAT doesn't automatically qualify you as being a capable talent evaluator
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#444 » by SSOL » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:00 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I think people are easily swayed by narrative. Last year Frank Kaminsky was the next Pau Gasol.

Ben Simmons is every part as good as was touted at the start of the year, and the question marks that apply to him can equally be applied to Ingram (shooting %, character, defense etc...) Bender averages 2 points a game or something since he started playing people over 17.


Simmons doesn't have "it". Ingram does. Quote me on that years from now.
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#445 » by LukasBMW » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:33 am

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LukasBMW wrote:Huge night for the tank tonight!

We need to lose to the Jazz.
BKN plays a winable game against Chicago.

We do not play tonight, we face the Jazz tomorrow.


He had all sorts of wrong here. Not only do we not play the Jazz tonight, but Brooklyn didn't play Chicago, Washington did. And apparently is was winnable, because they are up 12 midway through the 4th. It's looking really safe now that their pick is safe for us (provided they don't jump to top 3), so from here on out for them, it will likely be best for us to see them start losing more now.

Minnesota winning, which is good.


Wow, I really messed that up.

Suns/Jazz - Thursday night. A must lose! Utah is still very much in the playoff mix.
Chicago/Brooklyn - Thursday night. Chicago is in a back to back. They could have tired legs.

Minnesota over Memphis was HUGE tonight! Wooot!
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Post#446 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:59 am

If Minnesota win 2 more (2-12) that means we need to win 6 (6-9) to tie them.

Hopefully Washington get us a nice pick too.
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#447 » by Bogyo » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:26 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If Minnesota win 2 more (2-12) that means we need to win 6 (6-9) to tie them.

Hopefully Washington get us a nice pick too.


Cool thing u dug that up!

Tank went well last cpl days overall, Wizzards with big wins against Detroit and Bulls, keeping them in the playoff hunt, and around 12th place pretty firm. I think Minny will win at least 2 games if not more. They should be better than their record indicates, based on talent alone.


(if only we lost the Minny game or at least won it with the young guys instead of Tucker and Tele...)
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#448 » by Bogyo » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:13 am

If Utah and Wizzards end up with the same record (as it is now for example) which pick do we get 12th or 13th?
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#449 » by King4Day » Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:45 pm

Bogyo wrote:If Utah and Wizzards end up with the same record (as it is now for example) which pick do we get 12th or 13th?


I thought they went by head to head but since we lost the #1 pick to a coin flip, it could be that way.
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#450 » by blacksun » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:05 pm

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Bogyo wrote:If Utah and Wizzards end up with the same record (as it is now for example) which pick do we get 12th or 13th?


I thought they went by head to head but since we lost the #1 pick to a coin flip, it could be that way.


No head to head IIRC. Tied teams average the odds of the two tied positions. For example, the 12th seed has 7 combinations and the 13th seed has 6. There are 13 combinations to be shared between the two. Six goes to UTA, and another six goes to WAS. A coin flip is held to decide on who gets the 13th combination. Which coincedentally adds up to the same odds of 7 and 6 for the 12th and 13th respectively.

The winner of the coin flip will also pick first (12th) if neither of them jumps to a top three pick :D
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#451 » by LukasBMW » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:29 pm

Super important game for us tonight.

A loss keeps us in a position to have an outside chance to move up to #2. A win basically ensures that #3 is the best we can do.

With Brooklyn hot on our heals, tonight is a MUST LOSE.

Let's go Suns! Throw the game! I believe! #Knightmare #DrunkTucker #Sinking4Simmons
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#452 » by saintEscaton » Fri Mar 18, 2016 11:34 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Super important game for us tonight.

A loss keeps us in a position to have an outside chance to move up to #2. A win basically ensures that #3 is the best we can do.

With Brooklyn hot on our heals, tonight is a MUST LOSE.

Let's go Suns! Throw the game! I believe! #Knightmare #DrunkTucker #Sinking4Simmons


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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#453 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sat Mar 19, 2016 2:15 am

I'm happy being 3rd.

Lakers are in the same spot against us, that we are against Minnesota. They need to win 6 if the other wins 2.

I've not liked Ingram's numbers over the past couple of months, but he clearly passes the eye test and has respectable college O-Rating overall of 109 despite his shooting slump.

I like Simmons, Ingram, Hield, and that's enough for me to want to keep our 3rd place.
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#454 » by LukasBMW » Sun Mar 20, 2016 2:23 am

Horrible night for the tank. Brooklyn lost and thus we are now dead even with them.

:banghead:

4th spot looking likely. Watch us fall to 6th just because God hates us. :banghead:
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Post#455 » by JMac1 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:04 am

LukasBMW wrote:Horrible night for the tank. Brooklyn lost and thus we are now dead even with them.

:banghead:

4th spot looking likely. Watch us fall to 6th just because God hates us. :banghead:



You should become a Deist, then you'd know that God doesn't get involved.
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Post#456 » by TeamTragic » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:04 am

LukasBMW wrote:Horrible night for the tank. Brooklyn lost and thus we are now dead even with them.

:banghead:

4th spot looking likely. Watch us fall to 6th just because God hates us. :banghead:


I guess people here are content with dropping to the sixth spot. No wonder this team is going nowhere :noway:
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Re: Tank Fest Update Around the League 

Post#457 » by LukasBMW » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:13 am

JMac1 wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Horrible night for the tank. Brooklyn lost and thus we are now dead even with them.

:banghead:

4th spot looking likely. Watch us fall to 6th just because God hates us. :banghead:


You should become a Deist, then you'd know that God doesn't get involved.


I'm actually an atheist in real life.

But it's funny to say "god hates the suns" on the forums.
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Post#458 » by JMac1 » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:25 am

LukasBMW wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Horrible night for the tank. Brooklyn lost and thus we are now dead even with them.

:banghead:

4th spot looking likely. Watch us fall to 6th just because God hates us. :banghead:


You should become a Deist, then you'd know that God doesn't get involved.


I'm actually an atheist in real life.

But it's funny to say "god hates the suns" on the forums.


That's cruel 8-)
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Post#459 » by saintEscaton » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:46 am

We literally can't even excel at even one thing. Mired in pereptual medicority
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Post#460 » by ATTL » Sun Mar 20, 2016 5:53 am

saintEscaton wrote:We literally can't even excel at even one thing. Mired in pereptual medicority

We've made progress from the past two years. At this rate we'll be at the bottom of the league next year.

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