Game 68: Pistons (34-33) vs. Hawks (38-29) - 7:30 PM EST

Todd3 · Post #341 » by **Todd3** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:30 am

El Chivo wrote:Are u 10 years old? You talk about 2k basketball and stats (ridicolous sample sizes, though) but you clearly don't watch games.

Your basketball analysis is equivalent to a caveman. Your english isn't far behind.

El Chivo · Post #342 » by **El Chivo** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:08 am

Yeah, our Pistons will win adding offense and playing like Don Nelson's Warriors

Arp590 · Post #343 » by **Arp590** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:46 am

El Chivo wrote:We allow every team to score 120 points on us and this guy keeps talking about shooting monopolizing every thread.

Bah.

Well considering a season is based on more than a couple games, it's still a relevant point... as it has been an issue the entire season since we are 29th in TS%. Plus if we made a couple more 3s and free throws then we win this game.
Everyone is aware how bad our defense has been, that's why it was suggested that Steve Blake is benched and Bullock gets his spot in the rotation.

Arp590 · Post #344 » by **Arp590** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:48 am

El Chivo wrote:Yeah, our Pistons will win adding offense and playing like Don Nelson's Warriors

No but having better shooting, a competent/consistent offense will help us win more games. We are 29th in True Shooting Percentage.

BadMofoPimp · Post #345 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:23 pm

You talk about every team scoring 120 points on the Pistons and then talk about other peoples posts about 2k and sample sizes. I didn't see anything like that from anybody on this page yet you keep bringing that up and at the same time talk about 120 points every game. Who is the 10 year old here?

El Chivo · Post #346 » by **El Chivo** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:46 pm

So our offense is the problem.

Ok.

Neptune · Post #347 » by **Neptune** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:50 pm

I watched this game at the barber shop last night. Good competitive game, but shoot we're a .500 team regardless.

We got 8 game straight at home next, we gotta at least go 6-2!

Arp590 · Post #348 » by **Arp590** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:01 pm

El Chivo wrote:So our offense is the problem.

Ok.

Does it really have to be that simple for you? Our defense and offense are BOTH a problem. We are on a basketball board commenting on things that we should change to better improve the team. Even IF our defense was up to par, our offense is still broken, so why would we ignore clear issues? Are we only allowed to focus on one issue at a time?

Plus I don't know if you know this but scoring on offense gives us extra time to set up on defense since they have to inbound the ball.
Also a lot bad turnovers on offense have led to fast break points for the other teams.
I remember in the Washington game our guys looking deflated because we couldn't score and it affected us on the defensive end.

russkopp · Post #349 » by **russkopp** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:38 pm

Read the last couple pages here and let me say, I have the solution...DONT. WATCH.

I didn't watch the Washington game (but checked the score) and completely avoided this game. My night was fantastic, I wasn't mad because we lost. And I simply don't care this morning either. Try taking a game off, helps to recharge the batteries.

Tourney time, go green!

Darko Miliminutes · Post #350 » by **Darko Miliminutes** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:57 pm

Shooters, shooters, shooters. It's not just about making shots, it is equally about the threat of shooting...spacing. Our shooting guard can't shoot. I love KCP, love watching him improve, watching his intensity on D, having him grow as a Piston. But he's not it.

Dre, and Reggie would play much better if they had shooters that could open up the floor.

I am also in the camp that does not think of Dre as a max player. He's big, and rebounds well. no touch, small motor, can't defend.

I do like to see the 2 man game starting to develop with Reggie and Tobias. That will continue to improve, and is one of the most important things with the future of the team.

joedumars1 · Post #351 » by **joedumars1** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:47 pm

Darko Miliminutes wrote:Shooters, shooters, shooters. It's not just about making shots, it is equally about the threat of shooting...spacing. Our shooting guard can't shoot. I love KCP, love watching him improve, watching his intensity on D, having him grow as a Piston. But he's not it.

Dre, and Reggie would play much better if they had shooters that could open up the floor.

I am also in the camp that does not think of Dre as a max player. He's big, and rebounds well. no touch, small motor, can't defend.

I do like to see the 2 man game starting to develop with Reggie and Tobias. That will continue to improve, and is one of the most important things with the future of the team.

KCP is averaging 22ppg over the last 4-5 games on some really good %. So give up on the 3rd year player now. Mook is the one that is what he is imo.

MrBigShot · Post #352 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:09 pm

Darko Miliminutes wrote:Shooters, shooters, shooters. It's not just about making shots, it is equally about the threat of shooting...spacing. Our shooting guard can't shoot. I love KCP, love watching him improve, watching his intensity on D, having him grow as a Piston. But he's not it.

Dre, and Reggie would play much better if they had shooters that could open up the floor.

I am also in the camp that does not think of Dre as a max player. He's big, and rebounds well. no touch, small motor, can't defend.

I do like to see the 2 man game starting to develop with Reggie and Tobias. That will continue to improve, and is one of the most important things with the future of the team.

He may not be worth it terms of how much of the cap he'll take up relative to his impact on the team (on any given night he may not show up), but as far as market value goes he will command the max, which we should give to him with the hope that he continues improving.

KCP is roughly a career 33% shooter from deep (worse this year, better last year), which is obviously not acceptable for what we need from the SG position. But, we're fighting for the 8th spot and he's still not finished with his rookie deal. Safe to say I think we've got time to see if he can improve his 3pt shooting.

Darko Miliminutes · Post #353 » by **Darko Miliminutes** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:10 pm

joedumars1 wrote:
Darko Miliminutes wrote:Shooters, shooters, shooters. It's not just about making shots, it is equally about the threat of shooting...spacing. Our shooting guard can't shoot. I love KCP, love watching him improve, watching his intensity on D, having him grow as a Piston. But he's not it.

Dre, and Reggie would play much better if they had shooters that could open up the floor.

I am also in the camp that does not think of Dre as a max player. He's big, and rebounds well. no touch, small motor, can't defend.

I do like to see the 2 man game starting to develop with Reggie and Tobias. That will continue to improve, and is one of the most important things with the future of the team.

KCP is averaging 22ppg over the last 4-5 games on some really good %. So give up on the 3rd year player now. Mook is the one that is what he is imo.

I'd prefer a shooting guard that has off nights, instead of on nights.

Blkbrd671 · Post #354 » by **Blkbrd671** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:22 pm

DetroitSho wrote:Who tf is arguing that? It's a difference between saying they played bad defensively and they didn't show up. Goodness man, calm down.

says the guy trying to debate bad defense vs "no show".

Point is, this should have been a win, and it wasn't because of effort defensively.

mercury · Post #355 » by **mercury** » Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:50 pm

MrBigShot wrote:
Darko Miliminutes wrote:Shooters, shooters, shooters. It's not just about making shots, it is equally about the threat of shooting...spacing. Our shooting guard can't shoot. I love KCP, love watching him improve, watching his intensity on D, having him grow as a Piston. But he's not it.

Dre, and Reggie would play much better if they had shooters that could open up the floor.

I am also in the camp that does not think of Dre as a max player. He's big, and rebounds well. no touch, small motor, can't defend.

I do like to see the 2 man game starting to develop with Reggie and Tobias. That will continue to improve, and is one of the most important things with the future of the team.

He may not be worth it terms of how much of the cap he'll take up relative to his impact on the team (on any given night he may not show up), but as far as market value goes he will command the max, which we should give to him with the hope that he continues improving.

KCP is roughly a career 33% shooter from deep (worse this year, better last year), which is obviously not acceptable for what we need from the SG position. But, we're fighting for the 8th spot and he's still not finished with his rookie deal. Safe to say I think we've got time to see if he can improve his 3pt shooting.

I'm in this camp... KCP offers intangibles that no one else on the team does... I think the game will slow down for him. I don't want to have regrets watching him excel on another team. His effort should not be questioned.
I'd venture to guess that if the team remained the same by the end of next year we'll see a fair improvement in team shooting... the answer isn't perpetual change.

whitehops · Post #356 » by **whitehops** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 1:09 am

sorry i haven't commented on the game sooner...

people can talk about our offense but that really hasn't been a problem lately. our defense has been straight up bad and i don't think we have enough offensive talent to win shootouts night after night. for what it's worth our offense since the portland game (minus the game against the wizards) has scored 113 points shooting 49% from the field and 39% from 3.

before the knicks game - at the beginning of the latest stretch of poor defense
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxLNrpeIcv4[/youtube]

after the sixers game (125-111 win)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18kf5LdKsoE[/youtube]

after the washington game (124-81 loss)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Z0rv07rwk[/youtube]

after the atlanta game (118-114 loss)
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1KqQDd1bXI[/youtube]

our defense simply has to get better, we know it, SVG knows it and you sure hope the team knows it. that quote from SVG after the hawks game when he said "pope can't guard everyone" seemed directed more at reggie but it certainly doesn't only apply to him.

on dre getting benched - he was on fire at the line usually making 1/2 his free throws when he got hacked intentionally. this by itself isn't good because it means only 1 point per possession, at best. we finished the game scoring 1.09 points per possession, for reference. so, SVG kept him in because it still gave us some chance, but made some poor decisions on D as well. if you're hurting the offense AND you are making mistakes on defense then you deserve to be pulled.

here is the video of the play before he gets pulled (starting at ~1:30):
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzhMhAwdoe4[/youtube]

morris goes under the screen and recovers, dre did what he was supposed to do and hedge so they didn't give up a drive but then inexplicably lunges at Bazemore when morris was there which leaves horford WIDE open. after he gets the ball it's an easy 2-on-1 with millsap and harris is left on an island. i recommend you slow down the video to see what's going on, here's the full link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzhMhAwdoe4

dre regularly does some questionable things (his impromptu double teams are the worst) which must drive SVG nuts.

Todd3 · Post #357 » by **Todd3** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:54 am

Offense and defense are connected. Bad offense leads to bad defense. Turnovers lead to transition points. Lack of ball movement leads to lack of help defense. ISO teams are less willing to help each other on defense if they don't on offense. Bad shots early in the clock lead to defending b2b possessions with only a few sec rest in between, as well as make it harder for your bigs to get up/down wearing them down more. ISO ball leads to the other team not having to work as much, giving them more energy on offense, making it that much harder on your defense. Good ball movement wears them down on defense, making them easier to guard on the other end. Perimeter shooting creates room in the paint, which reduces risk of turnovers. The more you work the clock on offense each possession, the less possessions you have to defend in the game.

All these things matter and all add up and are affecting our defense, not just the offense. Stanley's game and poor decision making is contributing to it, and Bullock's game and smart decision making was helping it. He fosters ball movement by not needing the ball to be effective and keeping it moving if he's not shooting. His shooting makes the ball-handlers job easier by giving them more room to dribble and less chance of turnovers as when having to play in crowds. He doesn't turn it over himself or take quick shots early in the clock. His off ball movement helps to tire the other team on defense.

We are giving up 118 ppg over the last 4 with Stanley/Tolliver. We were only giving up 96 ppg over the 8 games with the Bullock rotation. That is a 22 ppg differential. There is a reason Bullock has the best efficiency differential on the team over the last 10 and often has the best +/- each game. We play better on both ends when he is on the court. He might not be posting monster individual stat lines, but all those little things he does are necessary ingredients to playing winning basketball as a team.

Todd3 · Post #358 » by **Todd3** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:59 am

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Todd3 · Post #359 » by **Todd3** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:21 am

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DetroitSho · Post #360 » by **DetroitSho** » Fri Mar 18, 2016 6:58 pm

Blkbrd671 wrote:
DetroitSho wrote:Who tf is arguing that? It's a difference between saying they played bad defensively and they didn't show up. Goodness man, calm down.

says the guy trying to debate bad defense vs "no show".

Point is, this should have been a win, and it wasn't because of effort defensively.

I seriously don't even know what tf point you tried to get across in that post. If you don't even think they gave bad defensive effort, then I'm not sure how they can be called no shows. They just lost. But cool story.