GT: Hornets vs Nuggets Sat Mar 19 6PM EST

[Snidely FC]

what a bad loss ugh

[ChokeFasncists]

LeBron's track record would disagree. For as good and efficient as he is at every other moment of the game he's very inefficient during clutch moments.

Apparently he was very unclutch but then became more clutch later on.

Lebron has been poor in clutch situations over the past several years STILL.

I remember this tweet just a few weeks ago.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704327702845612033[/tweet]

Dang! Well, at least he did improve I think.

I remember he was real bad, but got better during the championship years.

Hey, ten years is a bit general, maybe he was good for two years?

[Walt Cronkite]

Hornets Mania- It's an interesting thing to think about. I absolutely know what you mean about pressure as the game was winding down, but I think I was rarely (if ever) the best player on the floor and I started most of the games I ever played in. I knew I was good, but a final shot going in wasn't something I considered a sure thing. I'm sure that some humans have the ability to not feel that and if they can take a final shot without feeling that pressure and play up to their normal level you would think they would succeed at a higher level than someone that does have that anxiety. Further, I was only in that experience, I don't know, 50 times? With increased familiarity and potentially less anxiety, would my clutch ability rise?

I feel my focus lessening, but I guess in general I think the word "clutch" gets thrown around a whole, whole lot in sports without much consistent definition from fan to fan. Was Peyton Manning clutch? Is he more clutch for winning his last game? For me, when I think of clutch, I think of MJ... but I also grew up a Tarheel fan in NC during his era.

[Walt Cronkite]

LeBron's track record would disagree. For as good and efficient as he is at every other moment of the game he's very inefficient during clutch moments.

Apparently he was very unclutch but then became more clutch later on.

Yep the stat heads are still of that opinion as far as I know. Player Comparison board gets into extremely long-winded arguments over the existence, or nonexistence, of clutch. Especially when it comes to Kobe, it can get very ugly.

I agree with you for the most part, it sure seems like it's all in our heads and not a real phenomenon. Kemba makes me wonder sometimes though, he'll occasionally play like ass for 90% of the game and then crush it over the last few minutes. It does seem like some guys (Kemba, Derek Fisher, Horry, etc) seem to relish the big shots, or at least are not intimidated by them whatsoever while others wilt under the pressure. I remember when I played ball I could certainly feel pressure as the game winded down, but then again I'm not in the NBA for good reason.

Malone is definitely the better scorer but Stockton definitely more clutch than him.

How about Reggie Miller?

Nick Anderson?

Big shot Robert Horry.

I think there are stats to prove it. Kemba and Marv are the most clutch on the team and Lin 3rd in the closing minutes of the game according to late-game shots stat I saw about a month ago. But there's also making plays, getting deflections, making big passes, not only hitting shots. And getting to the line and knocking down FTs late in game is also a clutch consideration.

If we had Lee for as long as we had Lin, do those numbers shift? If they do, does that mean someone is more or less clutch or is clutch an inherent factor, so even if Lee had more late game shots than Lin, Lin would still be more clutch? Or is it about general talent and opportunity?

[catch20two]

Apparently he was very unclutch but then became more clutch later on.

Lebron has been poor in clutch situations over the past several years STILL.

I remember this tweet just a few weeks ago.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704327702845612033[/tweet]

Dang! Well, at least he did improve I think.

I remember he was real bad, but got better during the championship years.

Hey, ten years is a bit general, maybe he was good for two years?

I can only recall the clutch shot he made on Chicago in last year's playoffs to prevent them from going down 1-3 when Blatt called a play for JR Smith to get the ball and Lebron changed it to call his own hand.

[PG13]

Heat, Hawks and Wizards won. Bulls leading. Only loss is by the Pacers. And we play the Spurs next.

Bye bye HCA (for now).

[yosemiteben]

Had really good seats to this game and Denver looked so much more fresh than we did. Kemba especially looked like he was dragging. I think this was just hangover from MIA and being our 3rd game in 4 days.

Where'd ya sit? Any other observations you had. Report, report!

Right next to floor. Nothing too insightful, I did notice Kemba holding his knee and grimacing in the first quarter but it seemed more like he was being dramatic than that it was really hurt, not sure. Wouldn't surprise me if he is nursing an injury though. I know Winslow is a good defender, but it would help explain why Kemba was a non factor late in the game against MIA and why it's been the Batum show late in games lately.

I was particularly unimpressed with Marv today, missed lots of shots and had an all around frustrating game.

[bws94]

Had really good seats to this game and Denver looked so much more fresh than we did. Kemba especially looked like he was dragging. I think this was just hangover from MIA and being our 3rd game in 4 days.

Where'd ya sit? Any other observations you had. Report, report!

Right next to floor. Nothing too insightful, I did notice Kemba holding his knee and grimacing in the first quarter but it seemed more like he was being dramatic than that it was really hurt, not sure. Wouldn't surprise me if he is nursing an injury though. I know Winslow is a good defender, but it would help explain why Kemba was a non factor late in the game against MIA and why it's been the Batum show late in games lately.

I was particularly unimpressed with Marv today, missed lots of shots and had an all around frustrating game.

Thanks, sorry you didn't get to see a W. Kemba did have a knee problem that took him out of the Cavs game. But that's the only one he missed. He's logged a lot of minutes this season. Marv gets a pass. He was due for a stinker. He's been great for the most part.

[Eoghan]

Clutch is like god, you'll never find a way to quantify it. But when you experience it, you just know it exists.

It? Or he? Or them? Or it's something else? Or illusion?
Tough to know?

OTOH, I think they do have clutch stats nowadays and I remember Lin was up there in his first year in Houston.

I'm a Deist, I don't pretend to understand. I don't even like typing god.

LeBron's track record would disagree. For as good and efficient as he is at every other moment of the game he's very inefficient during clutch moments.

Apparently he was very unclutch but then became more clutch later on.

Lebron has been poor in clutch situations over the past several years STILL.

I remember this tweet just a few weeks ago.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/704327702845612033[/tweet]

LeBron is definitely the opposite of clutch and IMO it's b/c he has angered the basketball gods by pursuing the sins of the dribble. Instead of showing off how capable he is at playing PG he should let an actual PG do all that stuff and concentrate on scoring when his team needed it so he's not worn out from doing everything unnecessarily. Hard to be clutch when you don't have any energy.

[milankovich]

Watching the Spurs vs Warriors. That's another level of basketball.

[Snidely FC]

"I hate myself for loving you" f**king Hor-nuts

[ChokeFasncists]

I can only recall the clutch shot he made on Chicago in last year's playoffs to prevent them from going down 1-3 when Blatt called a play for JR Smith to get the ball and Lebron changed it to call his own hand.

He was quite clutch against the Spurs both years.

Heat, Hawks and Wizards won. Bulls leading. Only loss is by the Pacers. And we play the Spurs next.

Bye bye HCA (for now).

The Spurs are no joke.
Trap game?

LeBron is definitely the opposite of clutch and IMO it's b/c he has angered the basketball gods by pursuing the sins of the dribble. Instead of showing off how capable he is at playing PG he should let an actual PG do all that stuff and concentrate on scoring when his team needed it so he's not worn out from doing everything unnecessarily. Hard to be clutch when you don't have any energy.

He was surely exhausted during the 2nd Spurs finals.

[gafun]

So sick and tired of people on here bitching about backup role players minutes. If it's not Lin it's Lamb, and vice versa. Wah.

You're talking about 2 of the best guys on the old BF1, the squad that used to bring us back from deficits. We are pretty justified in making some noise about it as I see it. Back up or not, they are important players and only one of them is really playing now.

So sick and tired of people saying it would have been a loss anyway even if you have got a guy that has it going and can affect the game defensivly and offensivly. so sick of them acting like it would have made no difference if they would have been in or not when they have a good game. Waaaah

I actuality believe the coach thought they had a chance to win when the gap was closing. But he made a mistake and did a favor for Denver by stopping Hornet's momentum.

[ChokeFasncists]

If we had Lee for as long as we had Lin, do those numbers shift? If they do, does that mean someone is more or less clutch or is clutch an inherent factor, so even if Lee had more late game shots than Lin, Lin would still be more clutch? Or is it about general talent and opportunity?

Career and coaching mismanagement notwithstanding, (what do you do?) I'd imagine the stats would include percentages and averages.

[JDR720]

if the 3-ball is off we struggle quite a bit. got stomped on the boards too.

[bws94]

if the 3-ball is off we struggle quite a bit. got stomped on the boards too.

That's where Al comes in with the post game. And Marv can do it to a point. Then the team should set screens for penetrators Kemba and Lin to get to the rim and make shots or get fouls. The 3s aren't always falling.

[Eoghan]

if the 3-ball is off we struggle quite a bit. got stomped on the boards too.

That's where Al comes in with the post game. And Marv can do it to a point. Then the team should set screens for penetrators Kemba and Lin to get to the rim and make shots or get fouls. The 3s aren't always falling.

That's where it gets complicated. Al has a post game but he is by far the worst screen setter on the team. Zeller is the best but his offense turns to crap playing alongside Al and Al clogs the lane for penetrators.

When the threes aren't falling Charlotte doesn't have another dimension to rely on.

[LamarMatic7]

Also, during the DET game Collins said about Frank, "Look out Greg Kelser and Clark Kellogg, there's a new Special K in the NBA, Frank Kaminsky!" (just so you know who Special K is when Collins uses it)

..given Collins's knowledge of history, he could possibly be referring to four different people when calling someone "Special K". Larry Kenon also had that nickname.