Signed By Indiana - The Jeremy Lamb Thread

[dznutzz]

is he in the dog house? any scoop?

[catch20two]

is he in the dog house? any scoop?

Yes. Because his defensive energy isn't up to par with Clifford's standards and he's been struggling with his 3pt shot. But the advanced stats love Lamb.

[fafan]

Charlotte Hornets: What's Up With Jeremy Lamb?
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http://swarmandsting.com/?p=40276

[euphorbus]

Not very informative, I'm afraid: more questions and few answers. My own impression is that Coach Clifford finally became fed up with Lamb's overall play and did something about it, right in the middle of the Houston game.

[yosemiteben]

I think if Al wasn't playing Lamb would be.

[catch20two]

All I know is that the bench has been miserable the last 4 games. Each of Daniels, Lin, Al, Frank, and Tyler have negative net ratings while each of the starters (Kemba, Batum, Marv, Lee, Cody) have positive nets. Daniels ORating is 83.4 and his DRating is 109.4 which make a net of -26. Sheesh. Frank is the next worst at -17.2 but I think that's because he has to play the bulk of his minutes with Daniels. While Lin and Al are both around -6.

I just wonder when this lesson or experiment is over and Cliff go back to Lamb.

Because we can't blame Al for the bench being poor when Al has been a positive net +7.6 since returning. That means that we're doing well with Al on the floor since he returned.

As far as Lamb playing with Al in the 2nd unit since his return, Lamb has a positive net of +15.9 on the floor. The only change that has had a negative effect post ASB is the inclusion of Daniels into the normal rotation. Daniels is the only rotation player post ASB with a negative net on the floor. That speaks volumes and I don't care what none of you excuse and theory makers have to say. Advanced stats say it and my eye test (since the eye test is golden standard with the flaws of advanced stats nowadays) that we're playing worse as a unit with Daniels on the floor.

[HornetJail]

I think if Al wasn't playing Lamb would be.

I have to agree- and I think if we had a three-point shooting option as a third string PG, we'd be playing him right now too. Al is producing numbers from the bench very well in March (over 19/10 per 36 minutes while playing roughly 21mpg) but as usual, he's making it tougher for anybody that isn't strictly a perimeter player. Lin is shooting 35/29/82 since Al came back. If we had another PG option that hit threes, it would be getting all of Lin's minutes right now. Lin/Al will be a significantly worse fit than Kemba/Al ever was.

[TinmanZBoy]

I think if Al wasn't playing Lamb would be.

I have to agree- and I think if we had a three-point shooting option as a third string PG, we'd be playing him right now too. Al is producing numbers from the bench very well in March (over 19/10 per 36 minutes while playing roughly 21mpg) but as usual, he's making it tougher for anybody that isn't strictly a perimeter player. Lin is shooting 35/29/82 since Al came back. If we had another PG option that hit threes, it would be getting all of Lin's minutes right now. Lin/Al will be a significantly worse fit than Kemba/Al ever was.

well, Daniels is as good a three point shooter as you can get, it has not worked either...

[HornetJail]

I think if Al wasn't playing Lamb would be.

I have to agree- and I think if we had a three-point shooting option as a third string PG, we'd be playing him right now too. Al is producing numbers from the bench very well in March (over 19/10 per 36 minutes while playing roughly 21mpg) but as usual, he's making it tougher for anybody that isn't strictly a perimeter player. Lin is shooting 35/29/82 since Al came back. If we had another PG option that hit threes, it would be getting all of Lin's minutes right now. Lin/Al will be a significantly worse fit than Kemba/Al ever was.

well, Daniels is as good a three point shooter as you can get, it has not worked either...

Troy will be fine. He has been cold for a grand total of 36 minutes of game time over the last three games. He's shooting nearly 44% from three in games where he plays 10+ minutes, which is a good indicator that he's part of the rotation, and an insane 58% from three in games where he plays less than 10 minutes which either signifies garbage minutes, or a bad game. Troy is a knock-down shooter and one of the best in the league. He's really been disrespected around here lately.

[ChokeFasncists]

is he in the dog house? any scoop?

My own impression is that Coach Clifford finally became fed up with Lamb's overall play and did something about it, right in the middle of the Houston game.

Dunno if it's that game, I remember a sequence of Lamb poking away a rebound from teammate, jacking up a shot, leaving his man wide open for a FG. Never heard from him again.

Feel for his fantasy owners.

[TinmanZBoy]

I have to agree- and I think if we had a three-point shooting option as a third string PG, we'd be playing him right now too. Al is producing numbers from the bench very well in March (over 19/10 per 36 minutes while playing roughly 21mpg) but as usual, he's making it tougher for anybody that isn't strictly a perimeter player. Lin is shooting 35/29/82 since Al came back. If we had another PG option that hit threes, it would be getting all of Lin's minutes right now. Lin/Al will be a significantly worse fit than Kemba/Al ever was.

well, Daniels is as good a three point shooter as you can get, it has not worked either...

Troy will be fine. He has been cold for a grand total of 36 minutes of game time over the last three games. He's shooting nearly 44% from three in games where he plays 10+ minutes, which is a good indicator that he's part of the rotation, and an insane 58% from three in games where he plays less than 10 minutes which either signifies garbage minutes, or a bad game. Troy is a knock-down shooter and one of the best in the league. He's really been disrespected around here lately.

I never doubted Troy's shooting ability... but in this alfense, the shots he took were out of rhythm, last second prayer type of shots... good shooters also need rhythm to shoot well, the current alfense has not worked well for any bench players ... the point is you need shooters, you also need to create better shots too... i don't think you can make this Alfense work simply by replacing lin with a Jimmer Freddette... we are not even talking about the defense...
this alfense needs a little time to gel for sure, the guards need to deliver the ball to Al with better angle and timing... however, they can not force feed Al in every freaking possession, it is not going to work...

[catch20two]

The two most successful 2-man lineups on the season that has played over 500 minutes together have both featured Lamb.

Lamb + Kemba (103.3 Off, 94.1 Def, +9.3 Net)
Lamb + Lin (102.3 Off, 94.1 Def, +8.2 Net)

Next best? Batum + Lin (105.6 Off, 98.4 Def, +7.1 Net)

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612766/lineups/advanced/?t=hornets&sort=OPP_PTS&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=2

Same thing happens with 3-man lineups whether it's Lamb-Kemba-Lin together or Lamb-Lin-Cody together.

Idc what the critics say or what it look like the only trend I've noticed with the eye test and with advanced stats backing it is that we've played better this season with Lamb on the floor.

[catch20two]

Alfense + Lamb on the season (102.1 Off, 95.5 Def, +6.6 Net in 280 minutes)

Alfense + Lamb Post ASB (106.4 Off, 95.9 Def, +10.4 Net, 54.4 TS% in 138 minutes)

Alfense + Daniels Post ASB (106.3 Off, 103.5 Def, +2.7 Net, 52.7 TS% in 58 minutes)

I don't think the Alfense has effected the team overall or the 2nd unit as much as playing small defensively with Daniels+Lin has effected the 2nd unit's defense because the Daniels+Lin duo appears to be the issue (96.7 Off, 107.2 Def, -10.5 Net in 62 minutes post ASB).

Even the Lin+Alfense duo post ASB has had some success (104.8 Off, 98.1 Def, +6.7 Net). It's when Daniels has been factored in that it hasn't been successful.

[yosemiteben]

SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 21m21 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
I asked Clifford how Jeremy Lamb has responded to Troy Daniels receiving his minutes and what Lamb has to do to get back to playing #Hornets

SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 19m19 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
Clifford said he spoke to Lamb and Daniels and they'll both play going forward #Hornets.

SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 17m17 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
Clifford said Lamb is new to being an every night player & the challenges are different so they gave him a few games to "regroup" #Hornets.

SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 15m15 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
Clifford also mentioned Lamb handled Daniels receiving his minutes well and that Lamb could play a major role to end the season #Hornets.

Interesting. Also good work Bonnell

[yosemiteben]

I don't think the Alfense has effected the team overall or the 2nd unit as much as playing small defensively with Daniels+Lin has effected the 2nd unit's defense because the Daniels+Lin duo appears to be the issue (96.7 Off, 107.2 Def, -10.5 Net in 62 minutes post ASB).

Even the Lin+Alfense duo post ASB has had some success (104.8 Off, 98.1 Def, +6.7 Net). It's when Daniels has been factored in that it hasn't been successful.

You could be on to something here, though 62 minutes is still obviously a really small sample size and there is obviously some difficulty in trying to rely on two or three man lineups to analyze the whole second unit's success over that small of a sample size. With that said, these are interesting stats.

I still think there's something to be said for the fact that Lamb is a high usage player that is our second poorest C&S perimeter shooter, 31.9% on C&S threes on the season behind only Cody (source). By far his best skill is finishing around the rim or in the paint, he has the highest FG% within 10 feet on the team, but with Al in the second unit we are putting an emphasis on feeding the post and spacing the floor, and neither of those are Lamb's strengths.

Our second unit with Lamb is starting to look a whole lot like our first unit the past couple seasons - an inefficient PG that can't hit from outside and struggles to finish around the rim, a SG that can't hit from outside and seeks out ISO midrange J's off the dribble, and Big Al in the middle. Those pieces aren't a great fit, but the PG and C aren't going anywhere.

We know Cliff wants to play 4 out 1 in with Al. In theory that offensive style is a much better fit for TD, who generally is an exceptional C&S three point shooter.

[Marino]

Interesting. Also good work Bonnell

Something said once a year.

[yosemiteben]

Interesting. Also good work Bonnell

Something said once a year.

Should have posted in green - the tweets were from Tyree, not Bonnell. Nothing from Bonnell on this.

[yosemiteben]

Not sure how exactly both TD and Lamb play going forward. Where are those minutes coming from? The only thing that makes sense is if the days of JLin at SG are over, and even that only opens up a couple minutes per game.

[Zombiesonics]

SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 21m21 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
I asked Clifford how Jeremy Lamb has responded to Troy Daniels receiving his minutes and what Lamb has to do to get back to playing #Hornets

SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 19m19 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
Clifford said he spoke to Lamb and Daniels and they'll both play going forward #Hornets.

SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 17m17 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
Clifford said Lamb is new to being an every night player & the challenges are different so they gave him a few games to "regroup" #Hornets.

SportsFromMyEyes ‏@JTyree704 15m15 minutes ago Charlotte, NC
Clifford also mentioned Lamb handled Daniels receiving his minutes well and that Lamb could play a major role to end the season #Hornets.

Interesting. Also good work Bonnell

That beat guy tyree is very good. But Clifford plans on playing both Daniels and lamb ? There aren't enough minutes to go around to do that.

Giving a guy a "few games to regroup" is also strange , especially when the player you replaced him with is not nearly as effective. I could easily see lamb not getting minutes for the rest of the year . Basically the Scott Brooks treatment

[Marino]

Interesting. Also good work Bonnell

Something said once a year.

Should have posted in green - the tweets were from Tyree, not Bonnell. Nothing from Bonnell on this.

Good point. My reading comprehension fundamentals were not on display there.