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Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II

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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#981 » by Tony15 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:01 pm

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Tony15 wrote:Not sure what you're arguing against. We played well against those teams (TOR and GSW) and the results are what they are. Had they won last night, would you be here harping on the fact that a 15 lead was blown? Not being facetious, just asking the question. CHA is a good team....16-4 last 20 games. But to hold up this game as indicative and dismiss our two wins against the same team makes no sense. Everyone not named GSW has lost to good teams. What upsets me is how bad we played after a quarter and a half. To me, a win doesn't hide that. To each his own though. I'm out.


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I would. This Hornets game was lost for me the minute we start half-assing and blew that lead. Let's not act we are happy with our close wins against Philly and Denver lately which should be 20 pts blowout at least.

This team needs major changes if they want to make noise in the postseason. I doubt 14 games is enough for that.

I'll agree to an extent. The only major change I would say needs to happen is the defense.....which has been borderline horrific on since the All-Star break, making our new revamped offense pretty meaningless. I guess I'd also maintain that Spo's absurd logic of always having Wade take the last shot no matter how off he might be is another major change that needs to happen, but we've dealt with it for so long, I'm not convinced that'll ever change. His postgame comments solidified it. I mean, there's not much to talk about when you have a coach who says he'll live with a 19% 3pt shooter take the last shot.
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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#982 » by gom » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:46 pm

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Tony15 wrote:Not sure what you're arguing against. We played well against those teams (TOR and GSW) and the results are what they are. Had they won last night, would you be here harping on the fact that a 15 lead was blown? Not being facetious, just asking the question. CHA is a good team....16-4 last 20 games. But to hold up this game as indicative and dismiss our two wins against the same team makes no sense. Everyone not named GSW has lost to good teams. What upsets me is how bad we played after a quarter and a half. To me, a win doesn't hide that. To each his own though. I'm out.


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I would. This Hornets game was lost for me the minute we start half-assing and blew that lead. Let's not act we are happy with our close wins against Philly and Denver lately which should be 20 pts blowout at least.

This team needs major changes if they want to make noise in the postseason. I doubt 14 games is enough for that.

I'll agree to an extent. The only major change I would say needs to happen is the defense.....which has been borderline horrific on since the All-Star break, making our new revamped offense pretty meaningless. I guess I'd also maintain that Spo's absurd logic of always having Wade take the last shot no matter how off he might be is another major change that needs to happen, but we've dealt with it for so long, I'm not convinced that'll ever change. His postgame comments solidified it. I mean, there's not much to talk about when you have a coach who says he'll live with a 19% 3pt shooter take the last shot.


Ok, but going back to your comments before about the regular season being an extended preseason for the teams that will compete, don't you also see it as a way to weed out the bad choices? I mean, wouldn't you rather lose a regular season game to the Hornets than a playoff game to the Hornets? I don't care how thick some of you think Spo is (I don't think he is a bad coach, fwiw, though I agree he has moments of questionable decisions), he isn't making that same choice again.

Also, to be fair, the problem wasn't just the last call, but that the last call was significant. Charlotte should not have been in the game at all anymore. We should have beaten them by double digits.

That it came down to Wade taking that shot was asinine, but the real problems happened before. Wanna bet that Pat Riley has already discussed this in depth with Mr. Spoelstra and Mr. Wade? In any case, DWade has to start making changes to his game if he wants to be impactful. He must work on his efficiency. Like it or not, we are already evolving from the last two legs of the big 3.

I almost forgot... You are right about the defense, but we are a different team defensively when Richardson & Winslow are out there with Bosh or Deng. It's when Wade & Joe Johnson come in that we become easy. Also, the Stat vs Whiteside thing... Stat hasn't played very well lately and I'm not sure how much longer we should insist. I take heart that McRoberts and Green must really be hungry for a chance though. If they grab it with their teeth and perform capably we could still have some changes.

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Post#983 » by Tony15 » Fri Mar 18, 2016 9:59 pm

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I would. This Hornets game was lost for me the minute we start half-assing and blew that lead. Let's not act we are happy with our close wins against Philly and Denver lately which should be 20 pts blowout at least.

This team needs major changes if they want to make noise in the postseason. I doubt 14 games is enough for that.

I'll agree to an extent. The only major change I would say needs to happen is the defense.....which has been borderline horrific on since the All-Star break, making our new revamped offense pretty meaningless. I guess I'd also maintain that Spo's absurd logic of always having Wade take the last shot no matter how off he might be is another major change that needs to happen, but we've dealt with it for so long, I'm not convinced that'll ever change. His postgame comments solidified it. I mean, there's not much to talk about when you have a coach who says he'll live with a 19% 3pt shooter take the last shot.


Ok, but going back to your comments before about the regular season being an extended preseason for the teams that will compete, don't you also see it as a way to weed out the bad choices? I mean, wouldn't you rather lose a regular season game to the Hornets than a playoff game to the Hornets? I don't care how thick some of you think Spo is (I don't think he is a bad coach, fwiw, though I agree he has moments of questionable decisions), he isn't making that same choice again.

Also, to be fair, the problem wasn't just the last call, but that the last call was significant. Charlotte should not have been in the game at all anymore. We should have beaten them by double digits.

That it came down to Wade taking that shot was asinine, but the real problems happened before. Wanna bet that Pat Riley has already discussed this in depth with Mr. Spoelstra and Mr. Wade? In any case, DWade has to start making changes to his game if he wants to be impactful. He must work on his efficiency. Like it or not, we are already evolving from the last two legs of the big 3.

I almost forgot... You are right about the defense, but we are a different team defensively when Richardson & Winslow are out there with Bosh or Deng. It's when Wade & Joe Johnson come in that we become easy. Also, the Stat vs Whiteside thing... Stat hasn't played very well lately and I'm not sure how much longer we should insist. I take heart that McRoberts and Green must really be hungry for a chance though. If they grab it with their teeth and perform capably we could still have some changes.

It's not too late.

Better now, than later, yes. When we got up 15, we were defending at a high level with Winslow guarding Batum most of the time. Once CHA made a run (which we all knew they would at some point), and Kemba got going our defense just unraveled and since Dragic was gettin' cooked by Kemba, we had to put Justice on him.....then Batum got free and lit us up in the second half. Not to mention that we really weren't smart on that end either. It's one thing for them to make shots, it's another to just senselessly help on drives when you know Hassan is defending the paint, not trust the defense behind you, and leave Marvin Williams, Courtney Lee, and Batum open from 3. Teams make runs, but we let it go on waayyyy too long and the game was lost. It was miracle we had a shot at the end to be honest. In the postseason where you can better prepare for a team, I love Miami's chances against anyone in the east aside of CLE. Personally, I don't fear the Cavs at all and think we have a good chance at knocking them off. But we have things to hash out first before even thinking about them.

Wade is still a great set-up guy, and I honestly would have no issue with him playing PG. He's a better half-court distributor than Dragic is most of the time anyway, and maybe it'll put him in position to pick his spots more efficiently. But then you run into the problem with him probably pounding it too much. Who knows. I recently heard on Ethan's show that he and Spo had a discussion on how he can get in better spots to get back in rhythm like he was earlier in this year. This is good, but I've seen this movie before. He always reverts to the usual iso's. I trust Wade's ability to evolve, whether or not he's willing to do it long term is another discussion.

I agree wholeheartedly on McRoberts. I think pairing him with the second unit of Hassan, J-Rich, and Winslow would be a good idea as it limits the stretches with Wade & JJ on the floor together, which has been a disaster defensively. The problem lies in the closing lineup....we have a lot of options. Dragic would get left out, and I don't that's right either.
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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#984 » by Chalm Down » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:27 pm

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If they win against the Cavs, they'd be back on track for the 3 or at least the 4. That's a big "if" of course.
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Post#985 » by dancing2thabeet » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:52 pm

Moreyball Efficiency defines how good team defends and shoots 3-pointers and from restricted area. Last 3 teams to lead in this stats won NBA. Spurs and Warriors are going toe-to-toe. Heat 4th.

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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#986 » by Flash4thewin » Sat Mar 19, 2016 5:44 pm

I wonder if Wade is hurt because for the last 5 games he is avg 33% FG.
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Post#987 » by HIF » Sat Mar 19, 2016 6:02 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:I wonder if Wade is hurt because for the last 5 games he is avg 33% FG.



I thought it was clear he had a shoulder problem.
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Post#988 » by Bishop45 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 9:29 pm

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Post#989 » by twix2500 » Sat Mar 19, 2016 10:39 pm

Wade is supposed to be laboring from a bruised thigh

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Post#990 » by TroubleS0me » Sat Mar 19, 2016 11:11 pm

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Post#991 » by Mars » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:47 pm

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Post#992 » by Rapaz » Sun Mar 20, 2016 7:16 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JasonLieser/status/711633120123076609[/tweet]

While “Great Wall of Whiteside” is the nickname most often associated with Whiteside, he said his favorites are “Agent Block” (given to him by a friend) and Blocktopus (“I thought that was funny”). He said the person who suggested Blocktopus makes apparel and wants to create a shirt with a picture of Whiteside’s face inside an octopus.

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Post#993 » by gom » Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:12 pm

Miscellaneous chit chat - pretty cool stuff! A victorious weekend feels so good!

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With Boston's next games being easy and the Hawks facing the Wizards twice (which may also go well for them - depends on the Wizards), we may fade to 5th place this week, but that changes nothing. We are still in the running for a top spot (3rd or 4th). I have no preference anymore about facing Toronto or Cleveland in the 2nd round.

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Post#994 » by QUIZ » Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:32 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ethanjskolnick/status/711719017183105024[/tweet]

I thought that his was huge yesterday. The Cavs actually benched TT and went even smaller with Love at center. As Tyron Lue admited he was worried about Love having to chase around Deng which us Heat fans all know would've resulted in that overrated PF being exposed.

Then they attempted to answer Whiteside off the bench by putting in TT and then later both Love and Frye together because they felt that Whiteside didn't feel comfortable guarding the 3pt line... Well they were wrong and their plan failed.

Psychologically the Cavs looked weak as hell. The only threat is and always will be LBJ. If we can contain him and at least slow him down with a combination of Deng, JJ, and Justise we have a legit shot at knocking those bastards out.
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Post#995 » by Burnie Riley » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:00 am

Let's keep this up:
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Post#996 » by Bishop45 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 7:29 pm

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These are ill but they kinda reinforce the idea that Wade might've Stanley Ross'd his 20,000 pts which is why he's been looking so off (hopefully)
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Post#997 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:14 pm

dancing2thabeet wrote:Moreyball Efficiency defines how good team defends and shoots 3-pointers and from restricted area. Last 3 teams to lead in this stats won NBA. Spurs and Warriors are going toe-to-toe. Heat 4th.

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I'm curious where you got this from, and where we'd rank on this chart if you only took our post ASB numbers. Its very promising, but especially lately I'm starting to wonder if we might be up near the top.

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Also very promising. Its interesting that Golden State has fallen off the furthest in net rating, with San Antonio close to it, but not too surprising, both teams were so great that they had the furthest to fall. Milwaukee is actually #2 to us in improvement, so that at least eases the pain of that loss last week a little bit.
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Re: Official HEAT 2015-16 Regular Season Thread - Vol. II 

Post#998 » by gom » Tue Mar 22, 2016 12:47 am

Charlotte was down 30-7 against San Antonio. Spurs are now fighting for their lives in the fourth quarter. 75-74, Charlotte on top.
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Post#999 » by TroubleS0me » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:00 am

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Post#1000 » by twix2500 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:42 am

gom wrote:Charlotte was down 30-7 against San Antonio. Spurs are now fighting for their lives in the fourth quarter. 75-74, Charlotte on top.


dramatic are u, fighting for their lives. one point lead lol

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