Let's Talk About Mario

[pepe1991]

If i'm Mario, if they resign Fournier i'm out. Playing for boldtard and being ranked #18 among rookies in playing time is insult for 5# pick. Dude is ruining his career

he can be out, in 4 years. otherwise he doesnt have a choice

Ask for trade, simple as that. Skiles last game played Marble more than Hezonja . That's all you need to know.

[tiderulz]

If i'm Mario, if they resign Fournier i'm out. Playing for boldtard and being ranked #18 among rookies in playing time is insult for 5# pick. Dude is ruining his career

he can be out, in 4 years. otherwise he doesnt have a choice

Ask for trade, simple as that. Skiles last game played Marble more than Hezonja . That's all you need to know.

ask all you want, it isnt going to happen.

[BadMofoPimp]

I don't think Mario is frustrated or wants out. I think he is still trying to learn and work on his game in practice, with coaches and via video. He is 19 years old. He will be fine. Some Magic fans may not last long enough to see the end product due to unforseen medical/stress related issues.

[pepe1991]

I don't think Mario is frustrated or wants out. I think he is still trying to learn and work on his game in practice, with coaches and via video. He is 19 years old. He will be fine. Some Magic fans may not last long enough to see the end product due to unforseen medical/stress related issues.

He is 21 and sitting on bench and watching Jennings shooting 0-3 free trows, Watson 30% FG and Napier 33% FG won't help him develop. Or by watching Fournier getting killed on defense without any fear of being benched but if Mario does the same mistakes, game is over for him. Lebron, Batum and DD are just 3 last players who killed Fournier on defene in last 3 games.

[BadMofoPimp]

I don't think Mario is frustrated or wants out. I think he is still trying to learn and work on his game in practice, with coaches and via video. He is 19 years old. He will be fine. Some Magic fans may not last long enough to see the end product due to unforseen medical/stress related issues.

He is 21 and sitting on bench and watching Jennings shooting 0-3 free trows, Watson 30% FG and Napier 33% FG won't help him develop. Or by watching Fournier getting killed on defense without any fear of being benched but if Mario does the same mistakes, game is over for him. Lebron, Batum and DD are just 3 last players who killed Fournier on defene in last 3 games.

Oh Contrare! He is learning how not to play the game!

And, Lebron would have destroyed Mario. There is no stopping Lebron. And, I saw Fournier play some solid defense on Lebron at times. But, no player in the NBA can play solid defense on Lebron for an entire game or stop Lebron when he is on.

[pepe1991]

I don't think Mario is frustrated or wants out. I think he is still trying to learn and work on his game in practice, with coaches and via video. He is 19 years old. He will be fine. Some Magic fans may not last long enough to see the end product due to unforseen medical/stress related issues.

He is 21 and sitting on bench and watching Jennings shooting 0-3 free trows, Watson 30% FG and Napier 33% FG won't help him develop. Or by watching Fournier getting killed on defense without any fear of being benched but if Mario does the same mistakes, game is over for him. Lebron, Batum and DD are just 3 last players who killed Fournier on defene in last 3 games.

Oh Contrare! He is learning how not to play the game!

And, Lebron would have destroyed Mario. There is no stopping Lebron. And, I saw Fournier play some solid defense on Lebron at times. But, no player in the NBA can play solid defense on Lebron for an entire game or stop Lebron when he is on.

Lebron would destroy everyone, but what's excuse for making Batum look like Lebron? Everything was going trough Batum ,everything. And he didn't stand a chance last night vs DD, and who payed price - Smith, Ilyasova and Gordon because Fournier couldn't stand in front of his man

[BadMofoPimp]

He is 21 and sitting on bench and watching Jennings shooting 0-3 free trows, Watson 30% FG and Napier 33% FG won't help him develop. Or by watching Fournier getting killed on defense without any fear of being benched but if Mario does the same mistakes, game is over for him. Lebron, Batum and DD are just 3 last players who killed Fournier on defene in last 3 games.

Oh Contrare! He is learning how not to play the game!

And, Lebron would have destroyed Mario. There is no stopping Lebron. And, I saw Fournier play some solid defense on Lebron at times. But, no player in the NBA can play solid defense on Lebron for an entire game or stop Lebron when he is on.

Lebron would destroy everyone, but what's excuse for making Batum look like Lebron? Everything was going trough Batum ,everything. And he didn't stand a chance last night vs DD, and who payed price - Smith, Ilyasova and Gordon because Fournier couldn't stand in front of his man

Demar is about unstoppable on offense when he is on. And, Batum has been on a tear lately as Charlotte fights for the playoffs. Mario is still learning how to play defense.

[Gordon]

Fournier is much ahead of Mario in terms of development and is cleary superior player right now, also he is only 2 years older. Mario is getting solid minutes considering that he can`t defend, turns the ball over at alarming rate and is shooting below 30% clip on 3s since calendar flipped to 2016. His rookie season is a major disappointment, and Skiles is not the only one to blame.

[pepe1991]

Fournier is much ahead of Mario in terms of development and is cleary superior player right now, also he is only 2 years older. Mario is getting solid minutes considering that he can`t defend, turns the ball over at alarming rate and is shooting below 30% clip on 3s since calendar flipped to 2016. His rookie season is a major disappointment, and Skiles is not the only one to blame.

You compare player that is in NBA for 4 years to rookie. Also Fournier is what he is, his limited athletic tools limit his potential . 2 and half years difference is difference between Jimmy Butler being 8ppg to being allstar .
Hezonja turns ball over because he is looking for others, on other side Fournier will pass only if shot can hurt his field goal percentage, he is also awful rebounder for starting SF ( way below SF average on just 3 rpg ).
Fournier also plays shi**y defense just Skiles never calls him up, like i said, his pathetic defene in last 2 games resulted Batum going for 26 - most points were over him, and DD doing whatever he wanted. He also gets in foul trouble easy playing SF becaue he is too small and too light-weighted for that position and doesn't have athletic tools to keep up with uper tear guys.
Sorry in conference with Giannis,LEbron,George, Butler, MKG, Melo ( and i don't even count guys from west ) his slim build makes him unplayable long term at SF , and when you put him on SG he turns into below average SG starter.

Do you really belive that you can be contender with Evan Fournier going against Paul George type player in playoffs ? ROFL
Nothing against Evan, he is smart ,but limited player. 14,8 ppg and gives you nothing else, limited defender, shi**y rebounder, 2,7 apg on 33 mpg means that he makes one assist every 10 min
Pretty much - solid role player asked to do too much. I mean, we are 29-40, if he is allstar level player he could lift this team to some actual wins.

[LacosteM]

Fournier is much ahead of Mario in terms of development and is cleary superior player right now, also he is only 2 years older. Mario is getting solid minutes considering that he can`t defend, turns the ball over at alarming rate and is shooting below 30% clip on 3s since calendar flipped to 2016. His rookie season is a major disappointment, and Skiles is not the only one to blame.

You cannot expect a productivity from player who is getting inconsistent minutes. Also I hate to break it to ya, but team is actually playing better and is posting much higher NetRtg when Mario is inserted instead of Fournier at the 3.

In 5 games where he got over 30 mins he's averaging: 15 pts, 5 reb, 2.6 ast on 59.5 TS%, and he has proven on numerous occasions that he can perform when given extended minutes.

Also needless to say that you're blowing Mario's defense out of proportion and overrating Fournier - who is basically non impactful player when he doesn't have his shot going and who is right now only chasing stats.

3 men lineups of Elfrid/Dipo/Mario are much succesful than Elfrid/Dipo/Fournier lineups as Mario actually brings ball movement and spacing to the lineups, hence basically all the players in the lineup are having increase in their TS% when Hezonja is inserted instead of Fournier.

I can't wait for Mario to start feasting after we get rid of this clown who we call coach.

[magician4ever]

Oh Contrare! He is learning how not to play the game!

And, Lebron would have destroyed Mario. There is no stopping Lebron. And, I saw Fournier play some solid defense on Lebron at times. But, no player in the NBA can play solid defense on Lebron for an entire game or stop Lebron when he is on.

Lebron would destroy everyone, but what's excuse for making Batum look like Lebron? Everything was going trough Batum ,everything. And he didn't stand a chance last night vs DD, and who payed price - Smith, Ilyasova and Gordon because Fournier couldn't stand in front of his man

Demar is about unstoppable on offense when he is on. And, Batum has been on a tear lately as Charlotte fights for the playoffs. Mario is still learning how to play defense.

In Mario's defense, no pun intended, he did do a pretty good job shutting DD down in our first meeting with them.

[LacosteM]

I don't think Mario is frustrated or wants out. I think he is still trying to learn and work on his game in practice, with coaches and via video. He is 19 years old. He will be fine. Some Magic fans may not last long enough to see the end product due to unforseen medical/stress related issues.

I cannot know this for sure, but I highly doubt that Mario isn't frustrated. If you are familiar with his situatuion in Barcelona, you'd know that he was badly treated and that he was mostly riding the bench because of the seniority system. But hey coach at least played him when he was hot, which Skiles often refuses to do. Now he's facing the same situation with Magic. He even stated that he didn't really like playing in Barcelona. I can only imagine his anger, when he has to watch guys like Fournier, Jennings, Ilyasova making mistakes on defense and constanly taking bad shots and than getting rewarded with more minutes, while he's rotting on the bench. Skiles double criteria with Mario is really sad.

[Gordon]

Only thing Mario should be frustrated with is his inability to keep his man infront of him and his inability to hit shots at respectable clip. If he was doing either of those two things, he would be seeing more court time.

[maRioGrande]

Had a nightmare last night, dreaming orlando drafted bender.

[CroAnon]

You guys are going to kill yourselves over this. Time will tell what was or is the better way for him to develop into player he and we think / hope he can become.

Patience is needed here, next off-season and season progress should give us a better understanding what can be expected form him in this league and career. Even then, things will not be definitive. Like with the rest of this team, just have to wait it out...

[cedric76]

Kids on this board are too inpatient with rookies.
Give him time.


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[zelenooq]

Only thing Mario should be frustrated with is his inability to keep his man infront of him and his inability to hit shots at respectable clip. If he was doing either of those two things, he would be seeing more court time.

man watch with the eyes but see with his brain
that is all i can say about you
mario played well but he was still benched
mario doesn't has consistent minutes and doesn't allow on any mistake
fournier could make dozen mistakes and skiles doesn't bench him
on the other hand, fournier could score more because he only shot and think about his statistic
and a lot of times he had 1-5 like shot and than at the end,forcing it, 5-12
mario is benched after 1-3
fournier even he scored more (i already explain how) he is hurting team
he doesn't play teams play and basketball isn't one man show,even if you are curry or jordan or kobe
he play only for his statistic
he doesn't pass the ball to anyone than vuc because he is best offensive player and that pass is more likely assist
yesterday we saw all fourniers play
on the end of 1st and 3d quarter he even didn't try to shot even he gets the ball both times
but he didn't want to
only and only because statistic because he knows chance is very bad
it is stupid,not team play
mario tries to pass the ball every time,he is team player and i think he will always will be
i hope

[maRioGrande]

It is not fourniers fault how skiles treats mario. Evan is better player right now than him. But I really don't understand why mario isn't getting more chance since magic is out of PO. He wasn't that bad on D last night.

[Zappa012]

is not fair needling the fanbase right now. It was 3 months ago, when i did and got roasted because of the playoff argument.

Skiles is hot garbage, he tought he would have make first round or more with old Bucks core, but he did not count that Fournier is not Monta, Arsen Ilyasov is now 39, and already that core did not have a chance at the time.

I understand Payton was coming back from an injury, but starting Jennings it sounds a lot like a "I'm Scott f**** Skiles, i wanna do my thing, don't care about the long run", and the Skiles' thing is pretty same thing like Bart Simpson working on the IQ test VS the rat.

To be back on point. Imho is slowing is growning. Mario is smart and knows locker room manners, but for a guy with confidence as main skill it must really hurt living this nepotism situation, watching scrubs who can't play.

I bet Skiles sons are weak persons, as the majority of young prospects he used to manage.

[BadMofoPimp]

I don't think Mario is frustrated or wants out. I think he is still trying to learn and work on his game in practice, with coaches and via video. He is 19 years old. He will be fine. Some Magic fans may not last long enough to see the end product due to unforseen medical/stress related issues.

I cannot know this for sure, but I highly doubt that Mario isn't frustrated. If you are familiar with his situatuion in Barcelona, you'd know that he was badly treated and that he was mostly riding the bench because of the seniority system. But hey coach at least played him when he was hot, which Skiles often refuses to do. Now he's facing the same situation with Magic. He even stated that he didn't really like playing in Barcelona. I can only imagine his anger, when he has to watch guys like Fournier, Jennings, Ilyasova making mistakes on defense and constanly taking bad shots and than getting rewarded with more minutes, while he's rotting on the bench. Skiles double criteria with Mario is really sad.

So, fans are angry because they assume a player is frustrated and want out. Lol.