Dre for Cousins?

[hoophabit]

Can someone post an example of Drummond "sulking"? I read people say this a lot and never know what they're talking about.

You really don't notice the difference in Drummond on the court when he misses a bunch of free throws, picks up a stupid foul, or can't get a layup to fall after a couple of attempts? If you can't see that, you really aren't paying attention.

Dre plays the game with a lot of emotion, both positive and negative. He gets super hyped up when he's dominating, and super down when he's sucking. A more even keel approach is something most professionals learn, or at the very least avoiding showing negative emotions on the court and always appearing confident. I still think he'll learn this "skill" in time, as he's still the age of a lot of rookies (4 months YOUNGER than Hilliard, for example).

(I just double-checked to make sure, but yeah, Dre is the 2nd youngest guy on the team... it'd be nice if he had SJ's poise, but that kid is a rarity in a lot of ways)

A lot of players get frustrated when they don't convert a layup, miss a FT, or commit a dumb foul. Since when has that been called sulking? That's more ultra-competitiveness/perfectionism to me. Guys who want to win so bad that every little mistake gets to them. It's the guys who don't care at all that you have to worry about. Saying he's sulking makes it sound like he's crying in the corner or something though lol. I think he's just a competitor upset at himself over a mental mistake. I don't think that has anything to do with being young. LeBron and Duncan do the same thing at times. Stan is constantly going from one extreme to another during games too. Showing emotions is a part of sports. These guys aren't robots.

Yes, I think this says it very well. Sulking is a pejorative term. More than just displaying disappointment or annoyance, it implies that this mood extends for some unreasonable period of time. If he were to refuse interviews after games, or be short and disrespectful to the media, unresponsive or unsupportive to his teammates and coaches, then he would be sulking. I have not witnessed him doing this. Drummond does wear his emotions on his sleeve, but he doesn't go into dark moods for long periods of time. That is Cousins' MO.

[DetroitSho]

Can someone post an example of Drummond "sulking"? I read people say this a lot and never know what they're talking about.

You really don't notice the difference in Drummond on the court when he misses a bunch of free throws, picks up a stupid foul, or can't get a layup to fall after a couple of attempts? If you can't see that, you really aren't paying attention.

Dre plays the game with a lot of emotion, both positive and negative. He gets super hyped up when he's dominating, and super down when he's sucking. A more even keel approach is something most professionals learn, or at the very least avoiding showing negative emotions on the court and always appearing confident. I still think he'll learn this "skill" in time, as he's still the age of a lot of rookies (4 months YOUNGER than Hilliard, for example).

(I just double-checked to make sure, but yeah, Dre is the 2nd youngest guy on the team... it'd be nice if he had SJ's poise, but that kid is a rarity in a lot of ways)

I think you just described Cousins bro. So I'm not sure how that's a con for Dre and a pro for Cousins. I made the comment the other night that Cousins has perpetual "resting b***h face". I think people try to use the "sulking" criticism too much when it doesn't apply. I've seen him look like his dog just died sitting on the bench in garbage time of a blowout win where he's put up 20/20. Sometimes the eyes don't always tell what the mind is thinking.

[In SVG We Trust]

To be fair with Cousins, the Kings are the Moulin Rouge of the NBA

[fekz]

You really don't notice the difference in Drummond on the court when he misses a bunch of free throws, picks up a stupid foul, or can't get a layup to fall after a couple of attempts? If you can't see that, you really aren't paying attention.

Dre plays the game with a lot of emotion, both positive and negative. He gets super hyped up when he's dominating, and super down when he's sucking. A more even keel approach is something most professionals learn, or at the very least avoiding showing negative emotions on the court and always appearing confident. I still think he'll learn this "skill" in time, as he's still the age of a lot of rookies (4 months YOUNGER than Hilliard, for example).

(I just double-checked to make sure, but yeah, Dre is the 2nd youngest guy on the team... it'd be nice if he had SJ's poise, but that kid is a rarity in a lot of ways)

A lot of players get frustrated when they don't convert a layup, miss a FT, or commit a dumb foul. Since when has that been called sulking? That's more ultra-competitiveness/perfectionism to me. Guys who want to win so bad that every little mistake gets to them. It's the guys who don't care at all that you have to worry about. Saying he's sulking makes it sound like he's crying in the corner or something though lol. I think he's just a competitor upset at himself over a mental mistake. I don't think that has anything to do with being young. LeBron and Duncan do the same thing at times. Stan is constantly going from one extreme to another during games too. Showing emotions is a part of sports. These guys aren't robots.

Yes, I think this says it very well. Sulking is a pejorative term. More than just displaying disappointment or annoyance, it implies that this mood extends for some unreasonable period of time. If he were to refuse interviews after games, or be short and disrespectful to the media, unresponsive or unsupportive to his teammates and coaches, then he would be sulking. I have not witnessed him doing this. Drummond does wear his emotions on his sleeve, but he doesn't go into dark moods for long periods of time. That is Cousins' MO.

Dre is young and introverted, I don't need to have ever met him because being an introvert myself, I know the body language. Introverts can be their worst enemy because we internalize everything and look to solve on our own issues without outside counsel. When he's on the bench upset or pouting, most of the time it's at himself. There are times though where you can see he want's to take on more responsibility but doesn't appear to necessarily vocalize that he wants the ball more.

I ain't in the locker room so I'm just going on what we see from game to game. Dre is going to grow immensely in maturity. He's a smart dude who has added something to his game every year he's been in the league. While I'd trade away pther pieces for Cousins, why give up a force like Drummond for a player who's reputation is going to lower his value significantly in any trade?

[tmorgan]

Can someone post an example of Drummond "sulking"? I read people say this a lot and never know what they're talking about.

You really don't notice the difference in Drummond on the court when he misses a bunch of free throws, picks up a stupid foul, or can't get a layup to fall after a couple of attempts? If you can't see that, you really aren't paying attention.

Dre plays the game with a lot of emotion, both positive and negative. He gets super hyped up when he's dominating, and super down when he's sucking. A more even keel approach is something most professionals learn, or at the very least avoiding showing negative emotions on the court and always appearing confident. I still think he'll learn this "skill" in time, as he's still the age of a lot of rookies (4 months YOUNGER than Hilliard, for example).

(I just double-checked to make sure, but yeah, Dre is the 2nd youngest guy on the team... it'd be nice if he had SJ's poise, but that kid is a rarity in a lot of ways)

I think you just described Cousins bro. So I'm not sure how that's a con for Dre and a pro for Cousins. I made the comment the other night that Cousins has perpetual "resting b***h face". I think people try to use the "sulking" criticism too much when it doesn't apply. I've seen him look like his dog just died sitting on the bench in garbage time of a blowout win where he's put up 20/20. Sometimes the eyes don't always tell what the mind is thinking.

I don't even know who you're replying to here, but I'll assume it's not me, because I certainly didn't say *anything* was a pro for Cousins in this thread.

I will respectfully disagree with those that don't think Dre gets down on himself more than most players. I think he lets it get to him way more than he should, and he lets it take him out of the game mentally.