Buddy Hield

Barnsey · Post #181 » by **Barnsey** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:20 pm

Austincys21 wrote:Thing about Hield and what I've heard is how much this kid just wants to get better. He's the 1st in the gym and the last. Just look how he improved from his 1st year to now. You put him with NBA develop coach. This kid can be a star for sure. He's the best guard and due to his age he goes 5-10 but IMO he should go 1-3. The Raptors or Celtics who are win now teams can use him because he can come in right away and give you 16-20 a night

Agreed.
Buddy has two big things going for him: translatable NBA skills, and a reportedly incredible work ethic off the court.

If you look back on past drafts, it's the players with the best work habits that ended up being successful.

This is why i have no problem with Buddy's age, because i'm confident he will improve regardless.

HeartBreakKid · Post #182 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:28 pm

I'm very big on Buddy Hield myself, he's an easy top 5 pick for me.

Right now I have

Ingram
Simmons
Bender

^ these 3 can go in relatively any order

The next 2

Dunn
Hield

These 2 can go in any other.

I think all the guys in the top 5 will end up being good players. I think Dunn has the worst chance of being a bad player in all honesty, but I think he has some amazing abilities and upside.

BaunceyChillups · Post #183 » by **BaunceyChillups** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:39 am

I see Hield as Redick with some extra athleticism

Karmaloop · Post #184 » by **Karmaloop** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:11 am

BaunceyChillups wrote:I see Hield as Redick with some extra athleticism

Redick was/is a pure shooter. He doesn't have the ball handling skills that Buddy has, nor is he an off-the-ball shooter in terms of creating his own offense.

Post #185 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:15 am

Karmaloop wrote:
BaunceyChillups wrote:I see Hield as Redick with some extra athleticism

Redick was/is a pure shooter. He doesn't have the ball handling skills that Buddy has, nor is he an off-the-ball shooter in terms of creating his own offense.

Exactly right. Comparing Heild to Redick is like comparing Steph Curry to LeBron James and saying, "He's just like LeBron James only smaller."

Karmaloop · Post #186 » by **Karmaloop** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:19 am

NuggetsWY wrote:Exactly right. Comparing Heild to Redick is like comparing Steph Curry to LeBron James and saying, "He's just like LeBron James only smaller."

Honestly, I'm struggling to come up with a strong comparison. When he comes off curls and picks, he kinda reminds me of Richard Hamilton. But I think he's a lot better in terms of creating his own offense.

JB2 · Post #187 » by **JB2** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:32 am

Karmaloop wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:Exactly right. Comparing Heild to Redick is like comparing Steph Curry to LeBron James and saying, "He's just like LeBron James only smaller."

Honestly, I'm struggling to come up with a strong comparison. When he comes off curls and picks, he kinda reminds me of Richard Hamilton. But I think he's a lot better in terms of creating his own offense.

Ben Gordon/Ray Allen/Rip Hamilton

Somewhere in all that

Simmons
Ingram
Dunn
Hield
Bender

Barnsey · Post #188 » by **Barnsey** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:10 am

Karmaloop wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote:Exactly right. Comparing Heild to Redick is like comparing Steph Curry to LeBron James and saying, "He's just like LeBron James only smaller."

Honestly, I'm struggling to come up with a strong comparison. When he comes off curls and picks, he kinda reminds me of Richard Hamilton. But I think he's a lot better in terms of creating his own offense.

Bradley Beal is the best comparison i've heard so far

Post #189 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:28 am

I can't come up with a good comparison either. I do understand the Redick comparison and it actually isn't bad, but isn't good either. He's rather unique. He's a gym rat like Chris Mullins was. In high school, Mullins was given a key to the gym because the janitors were tired of having to open it so early and close it so late. Hield's shot is the closest to Steph Curry I've ever seen. Not sure he's in that class, time will tell. But he can get it off in a hurry and it's a beautiful shot. He can create a shot like Michael Jordan but again, not in that class yet, but just his style of creating. His passing is good but not great. His man defense is very good and his team defense is better. He just seems to be a smart and hard player who is pretty good at everything - IN COLLEGE. Most think he can bring it into the NBA, but he'll have to prove it because the NBA players are NOT afraid of him. Now if he was Steph Curry & Michael & Chris Mullins, they'd probably want to check for genetic tinkering. LOL

Post #190 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:04 am

When I look back at my last post, it sounds like a real cop out on trying to compare Hield to any NBA player. I'll admit that and agree that some of the other players listed above are better matches than I can come up with.

HeartBreakKid · Post #191 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:31 am

Doesn't Hield play pretty similar to CJ Mccollum except with more shake and bake? I've only seen one game with CJ Mccollum this year (at least one where I was paying close attention) and I can see Buddy Hield doing a lot of the off ball stuff CJ does.

Barnsey · Post #192 » by **Barnsey** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:56 am

HeartBreakKid wrote:Doesn't Hield play pretty similar to CJ Mccollum except with more shake and bake? I've only seen one game with CJ Mccollum this year (at least one where I was paying close attention) and I can see Buddy Hield doing a lot of the off ball stuff CJ does.

"Shake and bake" is one of the strengths of CJ's game. His game is built upon it. Hield isn't at the same level as CJ in that regard.

But Hield is on a similar level in terms of off-ball offense though. And he's a bit bigger, more athletic, and might be an even more of a prolific shooter than CJ.

Post #193 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:01 am

I'd agree with Barnsey. CJ's strength is "shake and bake" and they say his distance shooting is less consistent. His stats show a decent percentage, so maybe they are saying he needs space for 3s. I don't know. But it's another of those "not bad"/"not good" comparisons. lol

BaunceyChillups · Post #194 » by **BaunceyChillups** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:31 pm

Karmaloop wrote:
BaunceyChillups wrote:I see Hield as Redick with some extra athleticism

Redick was/is a pure shooter. He doesn't have the ball handling skills that Buddy has, nor is he an off-the-ball shooter in terms of creating his own offense.

Hield is going to be a mostly a 'pure' shooter in the NBA that'll best be utilized in an offense with tons of ball-movement. He clearly doesn't have the handle, pg skills or athleticism to be a full-time creator on offense against NBA defenses.

No-Man · Post #195 » by **No-Man** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:44 pm

People thinking that Hield has either the athleticism or the ballhandling to be an on-the-ball player at the next level really need to watch again or get new eyes, because their current ones are failing them.

You can see it in the way he moves, he is not as fluid as guys like McCollum, his ballhandling is improved, but nowhere near the level to be a pick&roll operator or a guy that is going to be executing those type of sets.

Hield should work on his defense, he is somewhat solid on the ball or on passing lines, but he sucks when it comes to consistency, rotation or following his man, and that is going to be his major role in the league, as 2-guards that are dangerous in the league mainly operate through screens.

His ceiling is a worse defender, less strong without the post game Wes Matthews, his most likely floor is a Jodie Meeks/Wayne Ellington bigger hybrid, a bit more explosive as an scorer than Wayne and a bit more regular as a shooter than Meeks.

Certainly a good player, but I think he lacks creativity, and that he should not be considered as a top-end prospect.

Post #196 » by **NuggetsWY** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:05 pm

It's easy to criticize a college player and say "he won't fit in the NBA". The two games are very different and it isn't just the college team a player is on, but it is also dependent upon the team that he is playing against. There's a reason that top picks are sometimes a bust and late picks become stars. There is a reason why multiple teams pass over a player that later becomes an all-star.

What is known about Buddy Hield is at least three things:
1. He is a high quality character individual.
2. He is a total gym rat. He may still improve.
3. He can flat out shoot.

Last I checked, there were quite a few proven NBA players that had defensive limits or ball-handling limits but they CAN SHOOT!!! It seems almost certain he will go in the top 5 but then again, last year the Nuggets picked up Mudiay at #7 when "everyone" knew he would go in the Top 3 or at least in the Top 5.

No-Man · Post #197 » by **No-Man** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:15 pm

NuggetsWY wrote: It seems almost certain he will go in the top 5.

eeeh, according to your crystal ball?

EMG518 · Post #198 » by **EMG518** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:20 pm

Fischella wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote: It seems almost certain he will go in the top 5.

eeeh, according to your crystal ball?

You have a better crystal ball right?

No-Man · Post #199 » by **No-Man** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:26 pm

EMG518 wrote:
Fischella wrote:
NuggetsWY wrote: It seems almost certain he will go in the top 5.

eeeh, according to your crystal ball?

You have a better crystal ball right?

No I dont, but I certainly wont say that he certainly wont go in the lotto even if that is my belief, he think he should go top5, cool but to say that it seems almost certain that he will when absolutely nobody that has a reported inside track has him in those positions as of now, is at the very least false.

EMG518 · Post #200 » by **EMG518** » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:29 pm

Fischella wrote:
EMG518 wrote:
Fischella wrote:eeeh, according to your crystal ball?

You have a better crystal ball right?

No I dont, but I certainly wont say that he certainly wont go in the lotto even if that is my belief, he think he should go top5, cool but to say that it seems almost certain that he will when absolutely nobody that has a reported inside track has him in those positions as of now, is at the very least false.

You make comments like that all the time, common.