Emergency game thread Magic vs Raptors 03/20@4pm

[pepe1991]

So, the 15k fans at the last game including those with families ALL believe that the team should lose by 20 for the future instead of watching a team compete to win after spending a couple hundred for the night?

Are you crazy?

Only diehards like you and me may be like that, but the vast majority of Money spending fans do not accept 4 straight years of losing by 20 most games.

So 15 000 fans that chear opponents or sit in silence are more important than future?

Fans pay for the Magic. If the Magic played to an empty arena because team never wants to compete, the team would have to relocate.

By same logic 76ers would be in Seattle after 2014,2015 and 2016 season. Guess what? Won't happen. Same logic would mean that T wolves should been moved from Minny like 15 years ago.

Season is over ,we are 29-41. We are 10-28 since 19-13 record. And we are one of worst nba teams in 2016. We don't even need to try hard to tank, it comes to us naturally

[tiderulz]

So, the 15k fans at the last game including those with families ALL believe that the team should lose by 20 for the future instead of watching a team compete to win after spending a couple hundred for the night?

Are you crazy?

Only diehards like you and me may be like that, but the vast majority of Money spending fans do not accept 4 straight years of losing by 20 most games.

So 15 000 fans that chear opponents or sit in silence are more important than future?

Fans pay for the Magic. If the Magic played to an empty arena because team never wants to compete, the team would have to relocate.

and yet the team has historically always worked and spent to compete.

[BadMofoPimp]

So 15 000 fans that chear opponents or sit in silence are more important than future?

Fans pay for the Magic. If the Magic played to an empty arena because team never wants to compete, the team would have to relocate.

and yet the team has historically always worked and spent to compete.

Last 4 years could have fooled me. Maybe, Devos just gave up!

[LBPTarHeel27]

Is this how GM's, Coaches and Owners like to earn their money by putting bad product out on the court?

What about all those paying fans?

the paying fans understand that this season is lost for winning, so you use it to develop your young players, get them playing time to see if you drafted right and you see glimpses of the player you want, or if the player looks more like a role player

How many more losing seasons are paying fans supposed to keep paying for?


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If casual fans are going to be upset about money lost...the anger should be directed at the DeVos family for conning all of the tax payers in to paying for the arena. Game to game spending is a personal choice.

[pepe1991]

the paying fans understand that this season is lost for winning, so you use it to develop your young players, get them playing time to see if you drafted right and you see glimpses of the player you want, or if the player looks more like a role player

How many more losing seasons are paying fans supposed to keep paying for?


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If casual fans are going to be upset about money lost...the anger should be directed at the DeVos family for conning all of the tax payers in to paying for the arena. Game to game spending is a personal choice.

How da hell casual fans will know do you trying to lose or you are just bad? Our cumulative record over last 4 years says we are worst team in nba. Nobody will notice that we are tanking lol

[LBPTarHeel27]

How many more losing seasons are paying fans supposed to keep paying for?


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If casual fans are going to be upset about money lost...the anger should be directed at the DeVos family for conning all of the tax payers in to paying for the arena. Game to game spending is a personal choice.

How da hell casual fans will know do you trying to lose or you are just bad? Our cumulative record over last 4 years says we are worst team in nba. Nobody will notice that we are tanking lol

No idea what you are trying to say. English class.

[tiderulz]

Fans pay for the Magic. If the Magic played to an empty arena because team never wants to compete, the team would have to relocate.

and yet the team has historically always worked and spent to compete.

Last 4 years could have fooled me. Maybe, Devos just gave up!

really? so Devos didnt spend money to pick up a draft pick here and there, take on Harrington's money and eating it? taking on Baby and eating it? spending money to expand the scouting department? paying off a coach to get a "better" one? that isnt working and spending to compete?

[BadMofoPimp]

and yet the team has historically always worked and spent to compete.

Last 4 years could have fooled me. Maybe, Devos just gave up!

really? so Devos didnt spend money to pick up a draft pick here and there, take on Harrington's money and eating it? taking on Baby and eating it? spending money to expand the scouting department? paying off a coach to get a "better" one? that isnt working and spending to compete?

You must be right.

The results are just deceiving!

[Xatticus]

Last 4 years could have fooled me. Maybe, Devos just gave up!

DeVos has a well-established history of green-lighting extra spending for the benefit of the team. The last four years are the price we have to pay for the Otis Smith era. When Dwight Howard forced his way out of Orlando, the Magic had nothing left and were forced into a prolonged rebuilding period.

[Xatticus]

If casual fans are going to be upset about money lost...the anger should be directed at the DeVos family for conning all of the tax payers in to paying for the arena. Game to game spending is a personal choice.

I agree, but unfortunately that is the status quo in professional sports. Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else's?

[LBPTarHeel27]

If casual fans are going to be upset about money lost...the anger should be directed at the DeVos family for conning all of the tax payers in to paying for the arena. Game to game spending is a personal choice.

I agree, but unfortunately that is the status quo in professional sports. Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else's?

No doubt...but it is still insane how easily they make it happen. I can get over that we pay for the stadium but what really gets me is all of the revenue streams that the city then misses out on. Specifically the naming rights to the stadium. We pay for the stadium, DeVos sells the naming rights for millions, and the city sees none of that money.

If you haven't seen it, John Oliver did a great piece on pro stadiums last year. It's still available on HBO Go and I'm sure easy to find online.

[Xatticus]

No doubt...but it is still insane how easily they make it happen. I can get over that we pay for the stadium but what really gets me is all of the revenue streams that the city then misses out on. Specifically the naming rights to the stadium. We pay for the stadium, DeVos sells the naming rights for millions, and the city sees none of that money.

If you haven't seen it, John Oliver did a great piece on pro stadiums last year. It's still available on HBO Go and I'm sure easy to find online.

I just watched it. Pretty good. Thank you for that.

[tiderulz]

Last 4 years could have fooled me. Maybe, Devos just gave up!

really? so Devos didnt spend money to pick up a draft pick here and there, take on Harrington's money and eating it? taking on Baby and eating it? spending money to expand the scouting department? paying off a coach to get a "better" one? that isnt working and spending to compete?

You must be right.

The results are just deceiving!

hmm, seem to remember someone preaching patience, that things dont change overnight. Burning thru bad contracts, drafting extremely young players, tanking for a couple of bad picks, you're right, cant believe we werent making the playoffs every year.

if this team frustrates you so much, why dont you go live on the Pistons board?

[BadMofoPimp]

Last 4 years could have fooled me. Maybe, Devos just gave up!

DeVos has a well-established history of green-lighting extra spending for the benefit of the team. The last four years are the price we have to pay for the Otis Smith era. When Dwight Howard forced his way out of Orlando, the Magic had nothing left and were forced into a prolonged rebuilding period.

Not sure Otis was that bad being he helped build a consistent winner regardless. If SVG can cut Josh Smith along with other cap restraining moves and still turn that roster around within a years time, I am positive the same could have been done in Orlando,

Instead, we hired a GM who gambled by praying to win a superstar in the draft without being as good GM in Free Agency and Trades.

Part of that is Devos fault for allowing this to go from a rebuild to bordering a train wreck if Henny fails again this summer.

[BadMofoPimp]

really? so Devos didnt spend money to pick up a draft pick here and there, take on Harrington's money and eating it? taking on Baby and eating it? spending money to expand the scouting department? paying off a coach to get a "better" one? that isnt working and spending to compete?

You must be right.

The results are just deceiving!

hmm, seem to remember someone preaching patience, that things dont change overnight. Burning thru bad contracts, drafting extremely young players, tanking for a couple of bad picks, you're right, cant believe we werent making the playoffs every year.

if this team frustrates you so much, why dont you go live on the Pistons board?

We have no choice but to be patient being Henny has failed to sign Free Agents or find Trades to help this team improve instead of relying on raw rookies taking too many years to develop.

We have no choice as the grave is already dug now.

[tiderulz]

You must be right.

The results are just deceiving!

hmm, seem to remember someone preaching patience, that things dont change overnight. Burning thru bad contracts, drafting extremely young players, tanking for a couple of bad picks, you're right, cant believe we werent making the playoffs every year.

if this team frustrates you so much, why dont you go live on the Pistons board?

We have no choice but to be patient being Henny has failed to sign Free Agents or find Trades to help this team improve instead of relying on raw rookies taking too many years to develop.

We have no choice as the grave is already dug now.

so are the results deceiving? or do we have to be patient?

[tiderulz]

Last 4 years could have fooled me. Maybe, Devos just gave up!

DeVos has a well-established history of green-lighting extra spending for the benefit of the team. The last four years are the price we have to pay for the Otis Smith era. When Dwight Howard forced his way out of Orlando, the Magic had nothing left and were forced into a prolonged rebuilding period.

Not sure Otis was that bad being he helped build a consistent winner regardless. If SVG can cut Josh Smith along with other cap restraining moves and still turn that roster around within a years time, I am positive the same could have been done in Orlando,

Instead, we hired a GM who gambled by praying to win a superstar in the draft without being as good GM in Free Agency and Trades.

Part of that is Devos fault for allowing this to go from a rebuild to bordering a train wreck if Henny fails again this summer.

Otis built a contender by mortgaging the future. Stan didnt have as many long term, high pay contracts to burn out.

[BadMofoPimp]

hmm, seem to remember someone preaching patience, that things dont change overnight. Burning thru bad contracts, drafting extremely young players, tanking for a couple of bad picks, you're right, cant believe we werent making the playoffs every year.

if this team frustrates you so much, why dont you go live on the Pistons board?

We have no choice but to be patient being Henny has failed to sign Free Agents or find Trades to help this team improve instead of relying on raw rookies taking too many years to develop.

We have no choice as the grave is already dug now.

so are the results deceiving? or do we have to be patient?

Both. We been hosed. We can only be patient with this young crew taking years to develop unless Henny gambles and makes a risky trade. But, I have a feeling he likes to gamble more on the draft than trying to make moves.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Man, it's almost like I knew this would happen. I like how he finished the game with 2 fouls.

But Ersan was pretty good. 10 points on 13 shots. Hard to keep him off the floor when he's giving you production like that.

Don't forget the 6 veteran fouls he gave us too.

This is what I don't understand about people who don't think there's fault in some of Skiles' decisions.

"Of course Skiles will handle the development of a rookie/young player differently to a veteran".

So why are the veterans beyond correction and improvement? Tell AG what he's doing wrong, or not doing, and get him back out on the court. If he's still screwing up, bench him again. But do that in the course of the game. Don't just sit him all game to watch Ersan foul out whilst AG has been benched for picking up 2 fouls.

First of all not one person thinks there is no fault in Skiles decisions. Secondly, You don't know if the Vets are or aren't being corrected because you're not sitting on the bench or in the locker room. We're all limited to watching the games. You're assuming they aren't being corrected or there isn't effort to help them improve based on that and making it seem like undisputed fact.

Ersan was shooting the ball well and I saw no problem with playing him but I do agree that AG shouldn't have sat that long. The sky isn't falling though, it'll be fine.

[Blue_and_Whte]

So now DeVos is a con artist? SMH