Official #1 pick thread: Simmons or Ingram? Merging topics and a Poll

[freshie2]

Amazing how many people are on Ingram now...is there video/stats out there that only a few people have seen?? He is the consolation prize...nice to have, but not the star quality that Simmons brings and this franchise desperately needs. Simmons has unique talent in rebounding, ball handling and passing...what is Ingrams unique talent? Nice shooting from the college 3, and very long...body type isn't the same as embiid, so don't expect that growth. Nice to get either, but players with skill sets like Simmons are what propel your franchise to the next level...Ingram can be a very nice piece, but doesnt have that same impact.

Yes, now that they have each played a NCAA season, there is video/stats out there that many have seen. "Star Quality" is what people talked about before there was actual video to discuss. Apparently, you haven't been paying attention to the college game. Unfortunately, you missed out on Ben. Turns out his star quality didn't get him to the Tournament. Even worse, his team declined an invite to the NIT due to Simmons academic ineligibility and/or his teammates refused to play with him anymore. Or, maybe I just made that up but neither reason would surprise anyone who paid attention to Ben's hollow NCAA career. I give him a D+ which approximates his GPA.

Very presumptuous...class act. You see star qualities by watching the games, not focusing on measurables. Agree his season was disappointing, but his team/coaching was horrific as well. My comments are made as he showed things on the court that very few men of his length can do, and he does them so effortlessly. Ingram is a nice player as well, but the sixers need the star, which is why my preference is Simmons. I guess we can question each other, and neither will change our opinion of the other's view.

[Agnostifarian]

Ingram Highlights from 1st rd victory over UNC W

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vVMOyc_42I

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/brandon-ingram-ncaa-tournament-nba-draft-prospects/3/

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/ncaa-tournament-brandon-ingram-saved-duke-and-proved-hes-a-better-nba-draft-prospect-than-ben-simmons

[Dave321]

Ingram Highlights from 1st rd victory over UNC W

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vVMOyc_42I

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/brandon-ingram-ncaa-tournament-nba-draft-prospects/3/

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/ncaa-tournament-brandon-ingram-saved-duke-and-proved-hes-a-better-nba-draft-prospect-than-ben-simmons

He's so much more aggressive and confident with the ball than he was 3 months ago.

[Wilfried]

I want him on our team. He would be perfect.

[Ericb5]

I want him on our team. He would be perfect.

He really WOULD be a perfect fit for us. He is an amazing prospect.

I'm still taking Simmons number one though...


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[Agnostifarian]

Repost of the article above: There are shot charts in there for Ingram and Simmons. If you overlay them, you get a pretty deadly combo. If we do get the first pick, I would like the FO to try and make a deal so we get Simmons and Ingram. I'd give up one of our centers and one of (MIA16 & OKC16/Saric/LAL16) for pick #2.

Assume worst case: Okafor and LAL16 FOR pick #2.

Ulis (OKC)/Ish/TJ
Allen (MIA)/Stauskas/Canaan
Ingram/RC3/Hollis
Simmons/Saric/Grant
Noel/Embiid/Holmes

If Simmons can play PG,

PG Simmons
SG Ingram
SF RC3 (offense) or Grant (defense)
PF Saric (offense) or Noel (defense)
C Embiid

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/ncaa-tournament-brandon-ingram-saved-duke-and-proved-hes-a-better-nba-draft-prospect-than-ben-simmons

[Duke4life831]

Another solid half for Ingram. 11 points on 3/6 shooting. Haven't really needed to be all that aggressive because of what Grayson Allen is doing

[sixers hoops]

Repost of the article above: There are shot charts in there for Ingram and Simmons. If you overlay them, you get a pretty deadly combo. If we do get the first pick, I would like the FO to try and make a deal so we get Simmons and Ingram. I'd give up one of our centers and one of (MIA16 & OKC16/Saric/LAL16) for pick #2.

Assume worst case: Okafor and LAL16 FOR pick #2.

Ulis (OKC)/Ish/TJ
Allen (MIA)/Stauskas/Canaan
Ingram/RC3/Hollis
Simmons/Saric/Grant
Noel/Embiid/Holmes

If Simmons can play PG,

PG Simmons
SG Ingram
SF RC3 (offense) or Grant (defense)
PF Saric (offense) or Noel (defense)
C Embiid

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/ncaa-tournament-brandon-ingram-saved-duke-and-proved-hes-a-better-nba-draft-prospect-than-ben-simmons

That's a no-brainier in my opinion. I like Okafor and Noel, but I'd send either, with LA pick, Miami pick, and OKC pick.

The process at this point is to turn a quantity of assets into quality assets. Embiid, Simmons, and Ingram are the caliber of player we need.

To turn one of our three centers and various firsts into the 2nd overall pick would be great for the sixers.

I could imagine certain teams considering a deal where they get Okafor/Noel and two firsts just to move back two or three spots. There is a considerable dropoff after 2, but that package may be worth it to a team who believes in Okafor.

[freshie2]

Simmons and Ingram would be a nice haul, but I can't see them unloading all their assets on two young players. If the Celtics deal really was on the table, I could see them moving Okafor and 1 or two picks for the #2, but I can't see that happening if the Celtics end up at 1 or 2.

[Ericb5]

Any thoughts of getting both players is pure fantasy.

I will say that I would trade Okafor for Ingram straight up because I think that they are on the same talent level, but Ingram is a stone cold fit, and Okafor isn't a great fit.

However, I certainly wouldn't trade him and the Lakers pick for Ingram.




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[PhilasFinest]

Interesting idea has been brought up by a few.

Can Simmons essentially be a PG? Giannis has pretty much been running it for Milwaukee lately, and has lighting it up. Obviously Simmons is probably lesser of a defender, but is still uber talented and has elite size.

Could we surround him with 2-3 shooters and a rim protector?

[thenbaman]

wow everyone wants to trade one of the best center prospects in years for an unknown
college player,glad most of you are just fans and not our gm,first dont put your eggs in
the embiid basket thats not going to work out for us,second noel is a shot blocker at
times and thats it,you arm chairs that want to give oak away better put down the pipe
and start watching basketball.

[sixers23]

wow everyone wants to trade one of the best center prospects in years for an unknown
college player,glad most of you are just fans and not our gm,first dont put your eggs in
the embiid basket thats not going to work out for us,second noel is a shot blocker at
times and thats it,you arm chairs that want to give oak away better put down the pipe
and start watching basketball.

cant build a contending team around a center who can do nothing else well on the court other than score in the paint

[Easymoney]

Don't get the willingness to give up on Okafor either. He is already one of the best offensive bigs in the league as a rookie and has consistently shown a willingness to improve. It would be foolish to give up on him so early in the game. It would be downright hilarious if we traded him and he developed in to a franchise player elsewhere.

I think Embiid and Okafor would actually mesh perfectly together as twin towers. In their prime (providing Embiid lives up to the hype) teams would be forced to adjust to their size and skill, not the other way around. All they would need is great shooters surrounding them and a ball handler who knows how to get them the ball in their spots.

[Ericb5]

Don't get the willingness to give up on Okafor either. He is already one of the best offensive bigs in the league as a rookie and has consistently shown a willingness to improve. It would be foolish to give up on him so early in the game. It would be downright hilarious if we traded him and he developed in to a franchise player elsewhere.

I think Embiid and Okafor would actually mesh perfectly together as twin towers. In their prime (providing Embiid lives up to the hype) teams would be forced to adjust to their size and skill, not the other way around. All they would need is great shooters surrounding them and a ball handler who knows how to get them the ball in their spots.

I love Okafor, and am optimistic that he and Embiid can work together. When I advocate trading him though it is only for players of equal talent that fit better. I would trade him for Porzingis or Ingram straight up since they both have great futures and they will have no problems fitting in with Embiid.

No matter how well he and Embiid mesh on offense, there is still the really valid concern of Okafor defending stretch 4's. It may not be a deal breaker, but it could be a form of kryptonite against our front court that would force us to adjust.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Aaaannnndddddd hete we go with yet another "trade Okafor" idea. We get it....some of you hate Okafor.....Thank Christ you're not in control of this team. It's like no matter the topic some of you just want to stick your dick in the Jahlil Okafor birthday cake. Like it or not he IS part of the future of this team. In regards to the actual topic....I'll take Ingram over Simmons. Ingram is the better scorer and the better defender and will be for the foreseeable future. I love Ben Simmons and would definitely do cartwheels if we got him, but....I prefer Ingram over him by a mouse hair. Both will contribute right away, but I think Ingram is a two way player from the get go. The fact that Simmons is a crappy defender concerns me, but he IS still worth building around.

[PhilasFinest]

I think you have to invest more time into Okafor. His offense is special.

[BobThornton]

Don't get the willingness to give up on Okafor either. He is already one of the best offensive bigs in the league as a rookie and has consistently shown a willingness to improve. It would be foolish to give up on him so early in the game. It would be downright hilarious if we traded him and he developed in to a franchise player elsewhere.

I think Embiid and Okafor would actually mesh perfectly together as twin towers. In their prime (providing Embiid lives up to the hype) teams would be forced to adjust to their size and skill, not the other way around. All they would need is great shooters surrounding them and a ball handler who knows how to get them the ball in their spots.

The same people who think Okafor can't improve want to trade for Justise Winslow, who has a PER of 8.4 and is shooting 25% from 3. Can't have it both ways, people.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

The same people that want Okafor traded are the same ones assuming that Embiid and his broken foot "holistic" approach are a sure thing to play next season. The contradictions never end and will continue once they get their wish only to see Embiid play twenty five games before getting injured again....The backtracking continues.
With....The same people lobbying for Simmons are also wanting Simmons based on the idea that he and Okafor can't play together, therefore the hypotheticals in their mind champion the idea as fact that if Simmons gets drafted by us, it will in turn enable an Okafor trade. It makes no sense though because we all know Simmons is equally as poor of a defender as Okafor, yet he shows no willingness to improve the way Okafor does. People complain that Okafor is a flashy offensive player and nothing more, yet ignore the fact that Simmons can't shoot at this current time (not saying he can't improve) and is also strictly an offensive player. The double standards that some live by are ridiculous. Now i'm not saying Simmons can't be great (he can), but so can Jahlil Okafor and its stupid to me that some of you assume they are already finished products based off of some half assed scouting report or better yet based off of their play with a HORRIBLE cast complimenting them.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Don't get the willingness to give up on Okafor either. He is already one of the best offensive bigs in the league as a rookie and has consistently shown a willingness to improve. It would be foolish to give up on him so early in the game. It would be downright hilarious if we traded him and he developed in to a franchise player elsewhere.

I think Embiid and Okafor would actually mesh perfectly together as twin towers. In their prime (providing Embiid lives up to the hype) teams would be forced to adjust to their size and skill, not the other way around. All they would need is great shooters surrounding them and a ball handler who knows how to get them the ball in their spots.

The same people who think Okafor can't improve want to trade for Justise Winslow, who has a PER of 8.4 and is shooting 25% from 3. Can't have it both ways, people.

The Okafor for Devin Booker idea was flat out hilarious in bad way. Booker the flashy three point shooter who plays zero defense for Okafor. Honestly...I think Booker is maybe a shade better than Nik Stauskus. He's at least had some semblance of NBA talent around him. Phoenix just happens to be an abortion of a franchise since all the changes have been made, but yeah Okafor for Booker lmmfao. Wait....here we go...Richaun Holmes is better than Okafor..That one topped the cake for me.