OT: Terrorist attacks in Paris

[TimRobbins]

Banning all Muslims is an awful idea. What people need to realize is that America is a melting pot for all religions and ethnicities. In a lot of Europe Muslims are put into ghettos and treated like second class citizens. That is why they are more likely to be radicalized. In the US we are more accepting of other religions and ethnicities, that is what makes us America. We can't lose what makes us great.

We need to create policies and laws that protect American citizens, but we have to do that without changing the fabric of who we are.

At times of war you sometimes need to suspend "who you are". Safely and survival come first.

[DarthDiggler69]

Islamophobia is so stupid, there are many verses in the Quran that ISIS quotes after every attack to fight infidels wherever they find them blah blah blah, do nonbelievers have a right to fear, criticise or be angry? yes we do. When someone wants to subdue, kill me or make me a second class citizen, I definitely take offense to that

[WIN]

Exactly people go crazy and protest that trump has "islamophobia" but truth is he is absolutely right.They are the enemy right now,they want to hurt the U.S badly,obviously not all Muslims there are more good people than bad, but why take a chance? Does everyone want safety or be afraid of hurting people's feelings and letting anyone in the country that could be a maniac?

A "phobia" is an Irrational fear of something. Clearly fearing Islam is not Irrational, so the term "Islamophobia" is a paradox.

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

[DarthDiggler69]

Exactly people go crazy and protest that trump has "islamophobia" but truth is he is absolutely right.They are the enemy right now,they want to hurt the U.S badly,obviously not all Muslims there are more good people than bad, but why take a chance? Does everyone want safety or be afraid of hurting people's feelings and letting anyone in the country that could be a maniac?

A "phobia" is an Irrational fear of something. Clearly fearing Islam is not Irrational, so the term "Islamophobia" is a paradox.

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

The word "Islam" means to 'submit' or 'surrender' to Allah. Muslims according to the Quran are commanded to make Nonbelievers submit to Allah by fighting them, enslaving them or making them pay the Jizya(high tax on nonbelievers as an insult in order to live as second class citizens). So should we nonbelievers fear Islam? certainly.

If you think Islam is about peace, their prophet says otherwise in stating that Muslims who do not fight nonbelievers in Jihad died the death of an hypocrite. Also says you are not a muslims unless you have battle scars fighting the cause of allah

[TimRobbins]

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

Since all major terrorist attacks in our age are carried out by Mulsims, it's perfectly rational and human to fear Islam.

Only a liar would say that he would walk into an airport and not fear Muslims.

[WIN]

A "phobia" is an Irrational fear of something. Clearly fearing Islam is not Irrational, so the term "Islamophobia" is a paradox.

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

The word Islam means to 'submit' or 'surrender' to Allah. Muslims according to the Quran are supposed to make Nonbelievers submit to Allah by fighting, enslaving or making them pay the Jizya(high tax on nonbelievers)in order to live as second class citizens. So should we nonbelievers fear Islam? certainly

LOL, you are so dense in your thinking. Do you want me to pull out one of hundreds of similar quotes that pertain to Christians or Jews? I couldn't care less what the word "Islam" means, people can believe whatever the heck they want, you can be a Satanic follower for all I care, it's your business and right.

People have used religion, which includes Christianity, for genocidal purposes throughout history. It's ignorant people that tend to follow and believe this bs about how one religion is the source of all evil.

You too would've made a nice Nazi recruit.

[musiqsoulchild]

Not at all....it sounds to me that the increase in fecal volume from Trump's mouth is directly proportional to vile happenings in the Middle East.

Bibi does the same thing....anytime he is up for re-election, he stokes up fears about West Bank blah blah blah. Even in Israel, the right wing, security hawks are slowly becoming <50%.

He all but lost his re-election. The same guy comes to the US invited by the Congress (HAHAHAHA) with his re-election hanging by a slender thread and uses the bully pulpit of the US Congress to squeak a victory.

That is EXACTLY what Trump is doing. Infact, even Bibi had to deny a visit to Trump because of the anti-Muslim rhetoric from Trump. Thats how terrible Donald J Trump is.

I'd much rather tolerate an idealogue than someone who says things they dont believe in to get elected.

I have no clue what you're talking about. Who cares about Bibi? Why is he even an issue?

We're talking about a very valid debate about Muslim immigration. We were lucky enough to to admit a huge number of Muslim immigrants over the past 50 years like Europe did and that's why we're not seeing these attacks here. If you want to put it in PC terms then you can think of it as not allowing any immigrants who do not fully assimilate and accept American value. Does that make you feel better?

What is the test for an immigrants ability to assimilate and accept American values?

And how do you make that a predictive test that can be used in US embassies world wide in order to get legal papers to immigrate?

I have actually interviewed in front of a US embassy official - I can tell you that there is no such test.

[WIN]

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

Since all major terrorist attacks in our age are carried out by Mulsims, it's perfectly rational and human to fear Islam.

Only a liar would say that he would walk into an airport and not fear Muslims.

You are wrong on all points in bold.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

[bentheredengthat]

We're still talking seriously with people who propose a Muslim ban at the borders?

After some of those same people proposed quizzing people at the border for whether they are christian or not. As if christianity was the only other religion besides Islam, and as if the non religious don't even exist.

Sadly a significant segment of our population live in a bubble of reality which only exists in their heads.

I'm ready for some of these religious leaders to stand up, put on their thinking caps, and try stop the insanity.

It's the 21st century folks. evolve

[DarthDiggler69]

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

The word Islam means to 'submit' or 'surrender' to Allah. Muslims according to the Quran are supposed to make Nonbelievers submit to Allah by fighting, enslaving or making them pay the Jizya(high tax on nonbelievers)in order to live as second class citizens. So should we nonbelievers fear Islam? certainly

LOL, you are so dense in your thinking. Do you want me to pull out one of hundreds of similar quotes that pertain to Christians or Jews? I couldn't care less what the word "Islam" means, people can believe whatever the heck they want, you can be a Satanic follower for all I care, it's your business and right.

People have used religion, which includes Christianity, for genocidal purposes throughout history. It's ignorant people that tend to follow and believe this bs about how one religion is the source of all evil.

You too would've made a nice Nazi recruit.

Show me from Jesus last revelations where he commands violence and Ill give you Verses from the Quran's last revelations on violence.

But you are not getting the point, i could care less what christians and muslims think or practice, I care about what the last revelations in their book commands because that is the lesson. Christians and muslims are all sinners, but their prophet is their best example

And I cannot be a Nazi because Im not white. Prophets are the best examples of religion, not sinners like all of us

[bentheredengthat]

What is the test for an immigrants ability to assimilate and accept American values?

And how do you make that a predictive test that can be used in US embassies world wide in order to get legal papers to immigrate?

I have actually interviewed in front of a US embassy official - I can tell you that there is no such test.

That's easy musiq, just ask them if they are a christian. The ultimate litmus test.

[musiqsoulchild]

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

Since all major terrorist attacks in our age are carried out by Mulsims, it's perfectly rational and human to fear Islam.

Only a liar would say that he would walk into an airport and not fear Muslims.

This is ONLY true if you do not consider US - Neocon interventionism in distant lands as terrorism.

By most definitions, the term terrorism applies really well to the Cold War and the subsequent ratcheting up by the 2 superpowers of the time, the great game played in Afghanistan, the looting of India, Africa and large parts of China, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, continued US presence and NATO presence in the Middle East.

It's all terrorism. Doesn't matter if it's men in uniform doing it.

[cammac]

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

Since all major terrorist attacks in our age are carried out by Mulsims, it's perfectly rational and human to fear Islam.

Only a liar would say that he would walk into an airport and not fear Muslims.

Tell that to the people in OKC.

[DarthDiggler69]

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

Since all major terrorist attacks in our age are carried out by Mulsims, it's perfectly rational and human to fear Islam.

Only a liar would say that he would walk into an airport and not fear Muslims.

I dont really fear muslims because my neighborhood is practically 60% muslim, I see at least 100 everyday lol. My neighbor friends are muslims, but nice people and we talk about Islam alot. I dont fear the people, I just dislike the book

[TimRobbins]

What is the test for an immigrants ability to assimilate and accept American values?

And how do you make that a predictive test that can be used in US embassies world wide in order to get legal papers to immigrate?

I have actually interviewed in front of a US embassy official - I can tell you that there is no such test.

I think we have sufficient empirical data to create such a test. I think we can know exactly which factors are likely to determine an individual's ability to assimilate and not pose a threat to society.

[TimRobbins]

Tell that to the people in OKC.

Are you seriously talking about some nutcase from 20 years ago and trying to equate it with thousands of attacks? Seriously?

[musiqsoulchild]

What is the test for an immigrants ability to assimilate and accept American values?

And how do you make that a predictive test that can be used in US embassies world wide in order to get legal papers to immigrate?

I have actually interviewed in front of a US embassy official - I can tell you that there is no such test.

I think we have sufficient empirical data to create such a test. I think we can know exactly which factors are likely to determine an individual's ability to assimilate and not pose a threat to society.

And that is my point.

Let's not pretend that the US State Department is like GarPax - sucking their thumb and not doing anything.

They have ways to flag people and deny entry.

The problem is with systems - no system is perfect. You'll get as many false positives ( poor folks languishing in Gitmo for attending the wrong mosque) and you'll get asswipes who don't register on the system.

That's not a policy failure. That's just life.

[TimRobbins]

This is ONLY true if you do not consider US - Neocon interventionism in distant lands as terrorism.

By most definitions, the term terrorism applies really well to the Cold War and the subsequent ratcheting up by the 2 superpowers of the time, the great game played in Afghanistan, the looting of India, Africa and large parts of China, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, continued US presence and NATO presence in the Middle East.

It's all terrorism. Doesn't matter if it's men in uniform doing it.

Yes, lets avoid the question by spewing out cliches.

I'm not talking about what happened in the past. I'm talking about present time and in the present time and if a person walks into an airport tomorrow, the only people he should rationally fear are Muslims. Sorry for the non-PC talk, but that is the undeniable truth.

If you want to talk about the stupidity of interventionism, then I'm fully with you. Interventionism is stupid. We should not be fighting any wars in the ME and we should not be trying to force our values on any other country/people or to tell anybody else how to solve their disputes.

One thing has nothing to do with another.

[TimRobbins]

You are wrong on all points in bold.

May God have mercy on your ignorant soul.

OK. I'm ignorant. Please enlighten me - state ONE MAJOR terrorist attack in the past year not committed by Muslims. Entertain me.

[TheSuzerain]

No, if it was called "Terrorismphobia" it would be a paradox. You should be fearing terrorists, not Islam, that's your problem.

Since all major terrorist attacks in our age are carried out by Mulsims, it's perfectly rational and human to fear Islam.

Only a liar would say that he would walk into an airport and not fear Muslims.