2016 Draft

[MrMiyagi]

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Yea 11ps 5 rebs in 23 mins.........

But Euroleague, man. That's like dropping 30 points and grabbing 15 boards. BEAST!!!!!!

[bwgood77]

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Yea 11ps 5 rebs in 23 mins.........

But Euroleague, man. That's like dropping 30 points and grabbing 15 boards. BEAST!!!!!!

It's still better than what he has done, and 60% from 3 is nice, and he should be hs senior playing against much tougher competition than most of the college guys.

The most important thing is this is swinging for fences as opposed possibly a safer pick that might not get us anywhere. No doubt he could be a bust, but I like what he can possibly bring. If this was a super strong draft I might feel otherwise, but I think we should take the chance on him if he is available. He could be the next Dirk or he could be the next Vesely, but outside of Dunn past that, no one is impressive and Dunn doesn't fit a position of need (but I'd take him at 4 if Bender is gone for Bledsoe insurance and because I hope we trade Knight).

Who do you want?

[bwgood77]

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Yea 11ps 5 rebs in 23 mins.........

I like Dunn, but for me, I think we need to swing for fences, and I'm not sure what Dunns was doing at the same age, but he is a position of need, which is why my ideal draft is him and Chriss and hope one of them pans out. Same risk we took for Amare.

There are so many unknowns with whether or not we can deal guys like Knight though.

I think we may end up with Jaylen Brown, and I have no idea what he will turn out to be, but he hasn't been particularly impressive either against decent competition...and the PAC12 has shown they may have been overrated.

[jcsunsfan]

Yea 11ps 5 rebs in 23 mins.........

But Euroleague, man. That's like dropping 30 points and grabbing 15 boards. BEAST!!!!!!

It's still better than what he has done, and 60% from 3 is nice, and he should be hs senior playing against much tougher competition than most of the college guys.

The most important thing is this is swinging for fences as opposed possibly a safer pick that might not get us anywhere. No doubt he could be a bust, but I like what he can possibly bring. If this was a super strong draft I might feel otherwise, but I think we should take the chance on him if he is available. He could be the next Dirk or he could be the next Vesely, but outside of Dunn past that, no one is impressive and Dunn doesn't fit a position of need (but I'd take him at 4 if Bender is gone for Bledsoe insurance and because I hope we trade Knight).

Who do you want?

Bad analogy. "Safe picks" can end up stars as easily as the swing for the fences picks. Nash and Curry were both safe picks.


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[AtheJ415]

Jaylen Brown's floor to ceiling ranges from Courtney Lee to Jimmy Butler. I'd much rather roll with Bender, Dunn, Ingram, or Simmons (no order). I think age is being overrated when it comes to Dunn. He's a better playmaker than all of those guys would likely be as juniors in all likelihood except for Simmons, and it's not like Dunn doesn't have upside. He has elite athleticism and an edge/drive, and those 2 things count for a lot. There's no reason he couldn't become an all-star if he works hard enough. The real problem with drafting Dunn is our logjam at PG and the elite play around the league at the 1 somewhat diminishing the value of PGs.

[bwgood77]

But Euroleague, man. That's like dropping 30 points and grabbing 15 boards. BEAST!!!!!!

It's still better than what he has done, and 60% from 3 is nice, and he should be hs senior playing against much tougher competition than most of the college guys.

The most important thing is this is swinging for fences as opposed possibly a safer pick that might not get us anywhere. No doubt he could be a bust, but I like what he can possibly bring. If this was a super strong draft I might feel otherwise, but I think we should take the chance on him if he is available. He could be the next Dirk or he could be the next Vesely, but outside of Dunn past that, no one is impressive and Dunn doesn't fit a position of need (but I'd take him at 4 if Bender is gone for Bledsoe insurance and because I hope we trade Knight).

Who do you want?

Bad analogy. "Safe picks" can end up stars as easily as the swing for the fences picks. Nash and Curry were both safe picks.


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True, but those guys did GREAT things...I mean premier scorers...Curry led Davidson to big things as did Nash. Brown and Murray did not. They are young, so they are far from sure things. I don't know why these guys are considered sure things either when they were on teams with big talent and lost early in tourney.

I will trust what McD does with the draft for a bit longer, if his picks seem to pan out, but Bender imo opinion has more upside and fits more of a position of need, and we can cover the risk somewhat with Davis or Chriss potentially with the next pick.

[bwgood77]

Jaylen Brown's floor to ceiling ranges from Courtney Lee to Jimmy Butler. I'd much rather roll with Bender, Dunn, Ingram, or Simmons (no order). I think age is being overrated when it comes to Dunn. He's a better playmaker than all of those guys would likely be as juniors in all likelihood except for Simmons, and it's not like Dunn doesn't have upside. He has elite athleticism and an edge/drive, and those 2 things count for a lot. There's no reason he couldn't become an all-star if he works hard enough. The real problem with drafting Dunn is our logjam at PG and the elite play around the league at the 1 somewhat diminishing the value of PGs.

I'd likely take Dunn at 4 if the other three are gone, but if we drop to 5 or 6 and he is gone, I'm not sure. I might risk taking Chriss early purely because of need and super raw athleticism plus being able to hit the 3, get steals and blocks. That is a huge need.

[jcsunsfan]

It's still better than what he has done, and 60% from 3 is nice, and he should be hs senior playing against much tougher competition than most of the college guys.

The most important thing is this is swinging for fences as opposed possibly a safer pick that might not get us anywhere. No doubt he could be a bust, but I like what he can possibly bring. If this was a super strong draft I might feel otherwise, but I think we should take the chance on him if he is available. He could be the next Dirk or he could be the next Vesely, but outside of Dunn past that, no one is impressive and Dunn doesn't fit a position of need (but I'd take him at 4 if Bender is gone for Bledsoe insurance and because I hope we trade Knight).

Who do you want?

Bad analogy. "Safe picks" can end up stars as easily as the swing for the fences picks. Nash and Curry were both safe picks.


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True, but those guys did GREAT things...I mean premier scorers...Curry led Davidson to big things as did Nash. Brown and Murray did not. They are young, so they are far from sure things. I don't know why these guys are considered sure things either when they were on teams with big talent and lost early in tourney.

I will trust what McD does with the draft for a bit longer, if his picks seem to pan out, but Bender imo opinion has more upside and fits more of a position of need, and we can cover the risk somewhat with Davis or Chriss potentially with the next pick.

I would not call Brown and Murray safe picks. McD said other day that he takes tournament games in stride. He tends to believe players will continue to be what they have been. Have they produced consistently all year? Are they able to keep it up under the withering pressure of the tournament? Seems to me that would lend itself to players like Hield and Sabonis (not with the first pick of course).

I imagine there are other factors too.


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[TeamTragic]

Jaylen Brown's floor to ceiling ranges from Courtney Lee to Jimmy Butler. I'd much rather roll with Bender, Dunn, Ingram, or Simmons (no order). I think age is being overrated when it comes to Dunn. He's a better playmaker than all of those guys would likely be as juniors in all likelihood except for Simmons, and it's not like Dunn doesn't have upside. He has elite athleticism and an edge/drive, and those 2 things count for a lot. There's no reason he couldn't become an all-star if he works hard enough. The real problem with drafting Dunn is our logjam at PG and the elite play around the league at the 1 somewhat diminishing the value of PGs.

I'd likely take Dunn at 4 if the other three are gone, but if we drop to 5 or 6 and he is gone, I'm not sure. I might risk taking Chriss early purely because of need and super raw athleticism plus being able to hit the 3, get steals and blocks. That is a huge need.

Dunn? Seriously? Are we going back to stockpiling point guards?

[JMac1]

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Yea 11ps 5 rebs in 23 mins.........

I like Dunn, but for me, I think we need to swing for fences, and I'm not sure what Dunns was doing at the same age, but he is a position of need, which is why my ideal draft is him and Chriss and hope one of them pans out. Same risk we took for Amare.

There are so many unknowns with whether or not we can deal guys like Knight though.

I think we may end up with Jaylen Brown, and I have no idea what he will turn out to be, but he hasn't been particularly impressive either against decent competition...and the PAC12 has shown they may have been overrated.

I guess that makes sense.If you are going to go with someone between Dunn and Bender, pick Bender because the logjam at guard is the tie breaker. I am cool with that. So Ingram, Simmons, Bender, Dunn (in that order) or trade pick if 5 or higher. Lets see how the lotto turns out, because we will be sitting number 4 on draft night.

[JMac1]

Jaylen Brown's floor to ceiling ranges from Courtney Lee to Jimmy Butler. I'd much rather roll with Bender, Dunn, Ingram, or Simmons (no order). I think age is being overrated when it comes to Dunn. He's a better playmaker than all of those guys would likely be as juniors in all likelihood except for Simmons, and it's not like Dunn doesn't have upside. He has elite athleticism and an edge/drive, and those 2 things count for a lot. There's no reason he couldn't become an all-star if he works hard enough. The real problem with drafting Dunn is our logjam at PG and the elite play around the league at the 1 somewhat diminishing the value of PGs.

I'd likely take Dunn at 4 if the other three are gone, but if we drop to 5 or 6 and he is gone, I'm not sure. I might risk taking Chriss early purely because of need and super raw athleticism plus being able to hit the 3, get steals and blocks. That is a huge need.

Dunn? Seriously? Are we going back to stockpiling point guards?

You act like we can't trade, AND if Dunn is the truth, you draft him, I don't care if we had fifty guards. Booker is the only mainstay......so we really only have one guard.

[saintEscaton]

The 5th-6th pick isn't gunna net us much by itself, maybe another unwanted "borderline All-Star" retread

[TeamTragic]

I'd likely take Dunn at 4 if the other three are gone, but if we drop to 5 or 6 and he is gone, I'm not sure. I might risk taking Chriss early purely because of need and super raw athleticism plus being able to hit the 3, get steals and blocks. That is a huge need.

Dunn? Seriously? Are we going back to stockpiling point guards?

You act like we can't trade, AND if Dunn is the truth, you draft him, I don't care if we had fifty guards. Booker is the only mainstay......so we really only have one guard.

I'm just curious how you think Dunn would fit into this squad. Do we have an actual legitimate offensive/defensive system that we will be running next season? I'm not even sure we have even decided on a long-term coach yet.

[Frank Lee]

The draft is such a crapshoot. If anything our history shows you can find quality players in the mid first round. I have no problem trading our top pick for some quality upgrade... As long as we get Washington's pick . May be we select Dunn for someone else. This is a good opportunity to cash in a project for a proven.

Put me down for dealing our way to respectability and not stocking up with a slew of youngens' . My eggs go in multiple baskets

[Weemsickew14]

Honestly, it is so hard to predict who we are going to draft. We need to hope the lottery balls are in our favor and land us top 2. Otherwise anything can happen. Dunn? Bender? Brown? Heild? All have plenty of question marks. Im all for BPA and I completely trust McD and will back whoever he picks. Very excited for the Washington pick as well. Plenty of good prospects in that range.

[dremill24]

The front office is not going to make moves simply to sell tickets. They want to build a contender and are rebuilding. Love has never led a team to the playoffs. Love is an awful move. You think our defense is bad now... Love makes it 10x worse. Love was torched by Keef every time we played against him.

While I agree that he's not a guy we should get, you can't definitively sit here and say the front office won't make moves to sell tickets. Nobody cares about this team right now. The seats are empty..and this is Robert Sarver. Kevin Love has star power (deserved or not), he's young enough to sell as part of the core moving forward. Your other points are accurate, but like I tell my wife: just cause that's the way you want it to work out doesn't mean it actually will.

Oh I disagree. Nobody knew or cared who Love was when he was putting up 26/13 on a terrible Minny team and nobody really cares now that he's talked his way onto a "contender" only to struggle finding consistency after almost 2 full seasons with the Cavs while sitting behind Irving and Lebron. I just don't see the star power. If we were a good team already and we added Love, I can see the attraction as a "final piece of the puzzle" kind of thing. But not when you're a struggling lotto team bringing in a guy who doesn't exactly play an exciting style of basketball, doesn't have much of a personality nor puts in any effort defensively. If Love is your definition of moving the needle, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I actually made a point, twice, to indicate that I DON'T think Love is a definition of moving the needle or a move that needs to happen. I was simply saying that I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the notion that the Suns' brass would make an attempt to pick him up should he be made available.

I am not in favor of the idea at all..just playing Devils advocate and saying that what we want isn't what determines how something will happen.

[lilfishi22]

While I agree that he's not a guy we should get, you can't definitively sit here and say the front office won't make moves to sell tickets. Nobody cares about this team right now. The seats are empty..and this is Robert Sarver. Kevin Love has star power (deserved or not), he's young enough to sell as part of the core moving forward. Your other points are accurate, but like I tell my wife: just cause that's the way you want it to work out doesn't mean it actually will.

Oh I disagree. Nobody knew or cared who Love was when he was putting up 26/13 on a terrible Minny team and nobody really cares now that he's talked his way onto a "contender" only to struggle finding consistency after almost 2 full seasons with the Cavs while sitting behind Irving and Lebron. I just don't see the star power. If we were a good team already and we added Love, I can see the attraction as a "final piece of the puzzle" kind of thing. But not when you're a struggling lotto team bringing in a guy who doesn't exactly play an exciting style of basketball, doesn't have much of a personality nor puts in any effort defensively. If Love is your definition of moving the needle, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I actually made a point, twice, to indicate that I DON'T think Love is a definition of moving the needle or a move that needs to happen. I was simply saying that I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the notion that the Suns' brass would make an attempt to pick him up should he be made available.

I am not in favor of the idea at all..just playing Devils advocate and saying that what we want isn't what determines how something will happen.

You mentioned Love having star power, which I'm saying he doesn't. I just don't see it as a move we would make simply because Sarver has seen what happens when you move too quickly on a rebuilding project. Instead of staying pat and building on existing youth/talent, we went out to get Knight to accelerate our rebuild. Then we swung for the fences to nab Aldridge when arguably, the supporting pieces probably wasn't ready for high level production.

"If you look at a lot of the good teams right now," Sarver said. "They went through three, four, five, six tough years to be able to get all those young players and have that consistency to compete at a high level for an extended period of time.

"I think we're taking steps to do that but they're painful."

This sounds like an owner finally ready to suck it up and ride out a real, true rebuild. I don't mean the Sixers kind of rebuild which intentionally tanks harder than any team in history has tanked.
http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2016/3/12/11201278/phoenix-suns-owner-backs-gm-offers-mixed-signals-on-suns-summer-plans

[saintEscaton]

Lol what a joke, it took him 6 years to have that epiphany and he still won't go all the way.

[Krush32]

Stop with the McMully!

[Mulhollanddrive]

Just going by board sentiment it seems to be:

Simmons, Ingram
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Bender, Brown, Dunn, Hield, Murray

So if we're picking outside the top 2, there's going to be split sentiment on the 2nd tier players.