TimRobbins wrote:DuckIII wrote:TimRobbins wrote:25% of the population of Brussels are Muslim. It's pretty much over for Brussels. Sharia law within two decades.
I'm not going to pretend to know Islamic doctrine real well, or how Muslims in general view the interaction of church and state. But just reading your post, it seems superficial to equate the Muslim percentage of a nation's population with whether or not that nation's civil law will be replaced by Sharia law.
I'm sure there are a percentage of Muslims who believe church and state should be merged, with religious law controlling. There are a hell of a lot of Christians in the US that hold this same view, applied to a different faith. But not all do. Do you know how many European Muslims actually favor supplanting civil law with religious law?
Not to mention the legal challenges inherent in overhauling complete legal systems in advanced first world nations.
I guess I'm just looking for more support for your projection.
I think just about every survey shows that the Muslim population in Europe supports religious over civil laws:
https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/11/28/most-european-muslims-want-sharia-not-european-laws/There have been local attemps to apply Sharia Law in some heavily populated Muslim areas in Europe:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2530/denmark-sharia-hezbollahhttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35059488http://www.euro-islam.info/key-issues/islamic-law/
Not sure about the others because I can't be bothered, but I just looked at the methodology and technical report of that first study. I call BS on it. First, they claim something like 9300 people were interviewed by phone in 6 countries. Second, I just browsed the entire questionnaire. It's about 160 questions! I'd bet a lot of money that they did not get 9300 people to sit on the phone for a couple of hours and answer 160 questions. And guess what, the key questions - the ones that conclusions such as you speak of are sourced from, just so happen to be, purely out of coincidence I'm sure, the very, ****, last questions of the 160.
My guess is that 9300 people answered the phone and started to respond, but that only 2, yes, only 2 out of 3, made it to the end of the insanity that no one would partake in and responded yes to this question:
Do you think sharia is more important to you than the laws of the country you live? (66%)
Yeah, I'm **** sure that exactly 6200 out of 9300 got to that question and answered yes.
Besides, it's hard to take your third party site link to the study seriously when this is the prior post on their website:
[b]In other words: the claim that they are “escaping” atrocities are actually not true. They want atrocities – plus free house and money.
What exactly is included in Sharia law:
Beheadings
Stonings
Hangings
Crucifixions
Honor killings
Genocide
Burning infidels alive
Supremacy/global domination
Warfare/conquest
Beatings
Torture
Limb amputations
Genital mutilation
Death to apostates
Forced conversion
Slavery
Sex slavery and rape
Misogyny/sexism
Women enslavement
Wife beating
Child marriage/rape
Brutality against homosexuals
Censorship
Dictatorship
Bigotry and hatred
Robbery and pillage
Extortion of nonbelievers
Persecution and/or death for blasphemy/atheism
Animal cruelty
Prohibition of music/singing
Destruction of pre-Islamic antiquities
Etc., ad nauseam[/b]
I can guarantee you that most people who support "Sharia Law" do not agree that "Sharia Law" includes quite a number of those things. "Sharia Law" is by absolutely no means a coherent set of policies. The reason for this is that the message in the Qur'an self identifies itself as both literal and allegorical, and it is up to each person to decide for themselves which is which. My favorite translator is in bold.
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Pickthall He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed.
Yusuf Ali He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except God. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.
Hilali-Khan It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book (this Qur'an). In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book [and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkam (commandments, etc.), Al-Fara'id (obligatory duties) and Al-Hudud (legal laws for the punishment of thieves, adulterers, etc.)]; and others not entirely clear. So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth) they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof, seeking Al-Fitnah (polytheism and trials, etc.), and seeking for its hidden meanings, but none knows its hidden meanings save Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in it; the whole of it (clear and unclear Verses) are from our Lord." And none receive admonition except men of understanding. (Tafsir At-Tabari).
Shakir He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.
Sher Ali HE it is who has sent down to thee the Book; in it there are verses that are firm and decisive in meaning - they are the basis of the Book - and there are others that are susceptible of different interpretations. But those in whose hearts is perversity pursue such thereof as are susceptible of different interpretations, seeking to cause discord and seeking wrong interpretations of it. And none knows it except ALLAH and those who are firmly grounded in knowledge; they say, `We believe in it; the whole is from our Lord.' - And none take heed except those gifted with understanding -
Khalifa He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.