Tobias Harris for Jennings and Ersan being finalized

[whitehops]

Tobias' trade saved the season even if we finish 9th, because he's our most reliable player. Basically he played one crappy game since he came. He and KCP's resilience are our only certaintes on nightly basis.

i'm very much looking forward to when stanley johnson gets better in year 2/3 since he has the same sort of hustle as those two. all three of them out there at once will be fun to watch.

[whitehops]

so i think the harris effect is starting to set in. in the last ten games our offense has been awesome, there's a lot of ball movement, guys are getting good looks, etc.

in these last ten games our offensive rating has been 114, which is pretty much what the warriors offense scores at. if you take out the game against the wizards which was clearly an anomaly, then our offensive rating is closer to 117-118.


if we can keep our offense going and tighten up our defense to a level we're capable of (ie earlier in the year) i think we could be more than a little trouble to whoever we are matched up against in the playoffs.

[Blkbrd671]

so i think the harris effect is starting to set in. in the last ten games our offense has been awesome, there's a lot of ball movement, guys are getting good looks, etc.

in these last ten games our offensive rating has been 114, which is pretty much what the warriors offense scores at. if you take out the game against the wizards which was clearly an anomaly, then our offensive rating is closer to 117-118.


if we can keep our offense going and tighten up our defense to a level we're capable of (ie earlier in the year) i think we could be more than a little trouble to whoever we are matched up against in the playoffs.

i think because harris is another offensive threat

1.) he makes them pay for "cheating" too much on D.

2.) allows Dre, RJ and whom ever else has it going a break and different look offensively.

*Prior to TB, our only consistent offense was RJ and DRE in the pnr, and we hoped one of KCP, SJ, Jennings had it going as well.

[MotownMadness]

so i think the harris effect is starting to set in. in the last ten games our offense has been awesome, there's a lot of ball movement, guys are getting good looks, etc.

in these last ten games our offensive rating has been 114, which is pretty much what the warriors offense scores at. if you take out the game against the wizards which was clearly an anomaly, then our offensive rating is closer to 117-118.


if we can keep our offense going and tighten up our defense to a level we're capable of (ie earlier in the year) i think we could be more than a little trouble to whoever we are matched up against in the playoffs.

i think because harris is another offensive threat

1.) he makes them pay for "cheating" too much on D.

2.) allows Dre, RJ and whom ever else has it going a break and different look offensively.

*Prior to TB, our only consistent offense was RJ and DRE in the pnr, and we hoped one of KCP, SJ, Jennings had it going as well.

His ability to put the ball on the floor and create his own shot from anywhere has been a huge addition. Plus he's just so efficient and versatile scoring the ball anyways.

[fekz]

He's been super efficient for us and he's solving our offensive lull issues. What a move by Stan and Bower.

[Blkbrd671]

so i think the harris effect is starting to set in. in the last ten games our offense has been awesome, there's a lot of ball movement, guys are getting good looks, etc.

in these last ten games our offensive rating has been 114, which is pretty much what the warriors offense scores at. if you take out the game against the wizards which was clearly an anomaly, then our offensive rating is closer to 117-118.


if we can keep our offense going and tighten up our defense to a level we're capable of (ie earlier in the year) i think we could be more than a little trouble to whoever we are matched up against in the playoffs.

i think because harris is another offensive threat

1.) he makes them pay for "cheating" too much on D.

2.) allows Dre, RJ and whom ever else has it going a break and different look offensively.

*Prior to TB, our only consistent offense was RJ and DRE in the pnr, and we hoped one of KCP, SJ, Jennings had it going as well.

His ability to put the ball on the floor and create his own shot from anywhere has been a huge addition. Plus he's just so efficient and versatile scoring the ball anyways.

honestly sometimes when i watch the game, i am like, "Man Harris disappears way to much" or "where the f* is Harris", then i look at this stat line and he's got like 18 points 5 rebounds and didn't even notice him on defense(which is normally good). Really crazy efficient

[Pharaoh]

Said repeatedly we needed other dudes that could score off the bounce...Harris does that and we're all seeing the impact a player like him can have offensively

The PnR is fine but if you get nothing out of it you gotta be able to toss it to someone else to create something.

KCP has been working on that skill all season long...

To have TWO guys other than RJ capable of creating something (anything!) is what will make a huge difference

Throw in SJ...and suddenly it appears we've got a lethal looking offense that can destroy in multiple ways.

We NEED RJ, KCP, Harris & SJ to spend all off season working on creating off the bounce AND shooting from deep.

If they can all get to league average on 3s we're gonna kill it

[whitehops]

i think because harris is another offensive threat

1.) he makes them pay for "cheating" too much on D.

2.) allows Dre, RJ and whom ever else has it going a break and different look offensively.

*Prior to TB, our only consistent offense was RJ and DRE in the pnr, and we hoped one of KCP, SJ, Jennings had it going as well.

for sure. with harris we now have another player that can legitimately create offense for himself and force the defense to pay attention to him (or make them pay if they don't).

teams usually have ways of stopping certain offenses and it usually involves sending more defenders at the offense's best player(s). when that happens it leaves more room for the other players to operate. since teams are still trying to stop the jackson/drummond pick and roll first and foremost, it gives guys on the wings (harris, KCP and morris) pretty much one on one situations which they're usually all good enough to take advantage of. now, when you have those wing guys also willing to pass the ball to someone with more space/a better look than them then it gets very difficult to stop the offense.

you just need to watch the warriors or spurs to see that at it's best. obviously those teams have great talent but the "others" are skilled themselves and are willing to pass the ball to the open guy which makes it really tough on a defense. i think we can be at that level in the near future.

[tmorgan]

Our offense going forward looks like it can be contender level.

Defense is another story. Reggie is bad, Andre is spotty, and the forwards are just OK. KCP is the only plus.


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[zeebneeb]

Our offense going forward looks like it can be contender level.

Defense is another story. Reggie is bad, Andre is spotty, and the forwards are just OK. KCP is the only plus.


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Something is just wierd with Reggie and defense. 99% of the time when a player is just bad at defense it's something physical, or the player is just stupid. Can't figure it out. Neither of those effect Jackson.

He should be a plus defender easily so you have to wonder if it's effort but I am honestly starting to think it's because he expends so much effort in running the team on the offensive end he coasts on the defensive end because he's exhausted. He's been treated for dehydration a few times and he handles the ball on offense the most, or close to the top in the league.

Maybe his heavy usage in setting up 100% of our offense is just killing his defensive effort?

I mean its not like he isn't playing hard out there. Half the time I think he's going to die on the court.

[tmorgan]

Half the time I think he's going to die on the court.

Doesn't help that he's a big time sweat machine. As one of those myself, I can relate. All these NBA guys are superior athletes, but not all of them are like Rip or Rodman. Maybe Reggie can work on his conditioning a little in the off-season.

I'm sure the amount of effort he needs to exert on offense is affecting his defense. We need other, consistent creator options to ease the burden, because we can't have a complete sieve up top if we want to have a top ten defense. Reggie doesn't have the ridiculous lapses that Harden does that get played over and over on youtube, but the results are similar.

I'm big on bringing in Jeremy Lin, and this is another good reason. Lin has played well -- defensively, too -- in Charlotte, but he has similar stamina problems. 25 minutes a game seems to be his limit to stay effective. If he were here, he'd get to run the show about 15 minutes a game, but for another 10 he could share responsibility with both him and Reggie on the floor. Might help them both, and it keeps Stanley off the 2, which I think is key to unlocking his real potential as a quick yet strong (albeit a little small) 3.

[Pharaoh]

RJ is tired no doubt. You see it in his demeanor most games.

I don't mention it cause he's never started a full season and knew he'd have conditioning issues.

[Maker_84]

Reggie gets beat off the dribble too damn much which is all effort because he's a top 3 PG in the league in regards to athleticism

[Snakebites]

What Harris really saved us from is another offseason of disappointment.

We no longer have cap space to go after particularly legitimate free agents (any particularly good player is getting max or close to it this offseason), and Harris is better than anyone we would have been able to land anyway.

[Joe Berry]

I agree its conditioning issues regarding Reggie, he is spending 3 x more energy on offense than defense. He needs to work on this in the offseason.

They should hand the EtoY to SVG/Bower on this trade alone. They got Harris while is value was low because the Magic didnt use him properly. Just being opportunistic and taking advantage of others franchises decisions. Thats how good teams are build, thats how we got Morris for free and Harris & Reggie for very little.

I think our offense is fine with the Harris trade going forward, and i LOVE that SVG is already looking for guys who can help us defensivly in the future.

The roster Van Gundy inherited wasn’t overflowing with players he felt were long-term fixes. His marching orders to his then-lean cabinet in spring 2014 with the draft and free agency bearing down on him were pretty simple: players who were “smart, tough and can shoot.” It’s a little more specific now, though those remain desired qualities.

“We’ve got to get people who we think can help us defensively,” he said. “Maybe quicker, more athletic. Guys that can play off the dribble a little bit and make plays. We’ve got to decide on all of that. You’ve got to really look at or roster realistically and decide where we want to go. You’re assessing guys in terms of value so when deals are presented, that you have sat and talked and have a value on all of your guys.”

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[whitehops]

Something is just wierd with Reggie and defense. 99% of the time when a player is just bad at defense it's something physical, or the player is just stupid. Can't figure it out. Neither of those effect Jackson.

He should be a plus defender easily so you have to wonder if it's effort but I am honestly starting to think it's because he expends so much effort in running the team on the offensive end he coasts on the defensive end because he's exhausted. He's been treated for dehydration a few times and he handles the ball on offense the most, or close to the top in the league.

Maybe his heavy usage in setting up 100% of our offense is just killing his defensive effort?

I mean its not like he isn't playing hard out there. Half the time I think he's going to die on the court.

reggie does have his physical limitations. he's got great size at PG but he's not the fastest or quickest, especially laterally.

fatigue may be a part of it too. he's often not low enough, but it takes energy to constantly be in proper defensive stance and move your feet. i think him being too upright really hurts him when he's trying to fight through screens as well, as he has less leverage/can get knocked off balance easier.

[BadMofoPimp]

Something is just wierd with Reggie and defense. 99% of the time when a player is just bad at defense it's something physical, or the player is just stupid. Can't figure it out. Neither of those effect Jackson.

He should be a plus defender easily so you have to wonder if it's effort but I am honestly starting to think it's because he expends so much effort in running the team on the offensive end he coasts on the defensive end because he's exhausted. He's been treated for dehydration a few times and he handles the ball on offense the most, or close to the top in the league.

Maybe his heavy usage in setting up 100% of our offense is just killing his defensive effort?

I mean its not like he isn't playing hard out there. Half the time I think he's going to die on the court.

reggie does have his physical limitations. he's got great size at PG but he's not the fastest or quickest, especially laterally.

fatigue may be a part of it too. he's often not low enough, but it takes energy to constantly be in proper defensive stance and move your feet. i think him being too upright really hurts him when he's trying to fight through screens as well, as he has less leverage/can get knocked off balance easier.

Pistons desperately need a solid backup PG so that Reggie can play less minutes and have more energy.

[DetroitSho]

Something is just wierd with Reggie and defense. 99% of the time when a player is just bad at defense it's something physical, or the player is just stupid. Can't figure it out. Neither of those effect Jackson.

He should be a plus defender easily so you have to wonder if it's effort but I am honestly starting to think it's because he expends so much effort in running the team on the offensive end he coasts on the defensive end because he's exhausted. He's been treated for dehydration a few times and he handles the ball on offense the most, or close to the top in the league.

Maybe his heavy usage in setting up 100% of our offense is just killing his defensive effort?

I mean its not like he isn't playing hard out there. Half the time I think he's going to die on the court.

reggie does have his physical limitations. he's got great size at PG but he's not the fastest or quickest, especially laterally.

fatigue may be a part of it too. he's often not low enough, but it takes energy to constantly be in proper defensive stance and move your feet. i think him being too upright really hurts him when he's trying to fight through screens as well, as he has less leverage/can get knocked off balance easier.

Pistons desperately need a solid backup PG so that Reggie can play less minutes and have more energy.

Less minutes? Dude barely plays over 30 as is. Maybe he needs a diet change.

[epheisey]

Pistons desperately need a solid backup PG so that Reggie can play less minutes and have more energy.

Less minutes? Dude barely plays over 30 as is. Maybe he needs a diet change.

They just need a secondary ball handler, other than RJ. If they can run a couple sets through SJ, or Harris, and kind of give RJ a breather, it'll help immensely.