Mavs 2016 Offseason Discussion

Post #1 » by **Dirk** » Wed Mar 23, 2016 11:07 pm

2016 MAVS CAP SHEET

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Baz · Post #2 » by **Baz** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 3:57 am

I weep for the future of this team. I know it's good to be positive, but right now things are looking very bleak. I hope we keep Parsons because seeing his run over the last few months has been the only bright spot. He still has more to prove and is the only player capable of being an all-star in our team other than Dirk. I'm sure Dirk himself would want to keep him too. Poor Dirk has had so many of his close teammates come and go, keep Chandler.

aussiewill · Post #3 » by **aussiewill** » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:52 pm

Nice thread, too many have already started on the same basic line of topic.

If I were GM for a day... Assuming Parsons opts out and we convince DWill to opt in due to the money he is getting from Brooklyn. This equals about $44.154M in owed salary, leaving $45.846M in cap space. I will be looking at realistic options, no marquee signings here.

Renouncing everyone else as any of the other guys will be coming back for less or not at all. This include McGee's option dropped and Mejri's picked up.

First thing I'm doing is resigning Parsons, the likelihood of getting a better SF is minimal, so get it done early like we did 2 years ago. 4 Years 80M is offered and signed, first year salary is $17.278M.

Remaining salary $28.568M.

Sign Festus Ezeli for 3/40, first year salary is $12.066M, 3rd year TO

Remaining salary $16.502M.

Sign Courtney Lee 3/21, evenly spread 7M a year

Remaining salary $9.502M

Sign Darrell Arthur for 2/10M, evenly spread 5M a year, 2nd year PO

Remaining salary $5.502M

Resign Dwight Powell 3/11M, first year salary is $3.318M, 3rd year TO

Remaining salary $2.184M

Sign Miles Plumlee 2/4.5M, first year salary is $2.137M, 2nd year PO

Sign Troy Daniels min salary, non guaranteed.

Ezeli/Mejri/Plumlee
Dirk/Arthur/Powell
Parsons/Anderson/Evans
Matthews/Lee/Daniels
Williams/Barea/Harris

daoneandonly · Post #4 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 3:48 pm

^6Do you honestly feel this joke of an aging team will be any different with Festus Ezeli as the key difference maker? I don't see it.

Devassa · Post #5 » by **Devassa** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 4:19 pm

Ive said it a hundred times, the only way this team will see success beyond this year is if we sign one of the top 3 FA's this year (Durant, LeBron, Whiteside). And yes, I know we have a 0% chance at the first 2.

No other real alternative in my book aside from a complete rebuild

daoneandonly · Post #6 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:19 pm

Devassa wrote:Ive said it a hundred times, the only way this team will see success beyond this year is if we sign one of the top 3 FA's this year (Durant, LeBron, Whiteside). And yes, I know we have a 0% chance at the first 2.

No other real alternative in my book aside from a complete rebuild

You seem really high on Whiteside to lump him in with arguably the 2nd and 3rd best players in the league, I'm curious, why? I knwo you're not saying he's on their level, but why do you think he'd be such a difference maker? he seems to be one of those that is trying for a big contract and then will regress, just my 2 cents.

Devassa · Post #7 » by **Devassa** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:22 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Devassa wrote:Ive said it a hundred times, the only way this team will see success beyond this year is if we sign one of the top 3 FA's this year (Durant, LeBron, Whiteside). And yes, I know we have a 0% chance at the first 2.

No other real alternative in my book aside from a complete rebuild

You seem really high on Whiteside to lump him in with arguably the 2nd and 3rd best players in the league, I'm curious, why? I knwo you're not saying he's on their level, but why do you think he'd be such a difference maker? he seems to be one of those that is trying for a big contract and then will regress, just my 2 cents.

I said he is the 3rd best free agent this summer... And I do believe he is a huge difference maker, not to mention I think he would be a draw for other free agents who would sign for less to play with a dominant big man like that. The only reason I don't think he will regress is because he was doing this same type production last year as well and not just in his contract year. Also, say what you want about the man, but Rick Carlisle has had tremendous success with the production we get out of our centers

daoneandonly · Post #8 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:28 pm

I don't think Hassan Whiteside carries that kind of stroke, I mean we're not talking Shaq here, is he playing great? Absolutely, one of the best players in the league post all star break, but still a rather small sample, it's a pace that many will rightfully question he can or will sustain. I think he'd be great to have, but if our 1-3 is still the same, i don't see that putting us above any of the top 4 west teams, so we'll have one of the highest payrolls and for what? I guess my point is that best not be our biggest offseason move, I think 2 of D-Will, Matthews, and Parsons have to go.

Devassa · Post #9 » by **Devassa** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:42 pm

daoneandonly wrote:I don't think Hassan Whiteside carries that kind of stroke, I mean we're not talking Shaq here, is he playing great? Absolutely, one of the best players in the league post all star break, but still a rather small sample, it's a pace that many will rightfully question he can or will sustain. I think he'd be great to have, but if our 1-3 is still the same, i don't see that putting us above any of the top 4 west teams, so we'll have one of the highest payrolls and for what? I guess my point is that best not be our biggest offseason move, I think 2 of D-Will, Matthews, and Parsons have to go.

I agree. Williams would be the only one I would bring back out of those 3. The other 2 are, or soon to be, max contract players and neither are worth it by a long shot, with age and injuries taken into account.

Unfortunately, I believe Matthews has the most toxic contract in the NBA and I don't see any teams taking it off our hands so we are likely stuck with him for 3 more years. I think we should sign Ariza and Whiteside, but I have a feeling we will likely have Parsons and Howard instead.

daoneandonly · Post #10 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:54 pm

I don't like either 3, but if D-Will wants more than what he makes now, don't let the door hit you. The guy (just like Parsons) is SAWFT. This team needs grit, no more BS about how this team was projected to be this but they're this, look at freakin Memphis, decimated by injuries, but fighting and winning, that's a team, and a well coached one at that. This team can't say either of those things.

We can all agree Matthews is way overpaid, and that's Cuban and Nelson's stupidity for giving him more than he agreed to take, but he does indeed fight on both sides, tries, and plays when injured, can't say that about pretty boy Parsons and hot wife Williams.

Devassa · Post #11 » by **Devassa** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:20 pm

daoneandonly wrote:We can all agree Matthews is way overpaid, and that's Cuban and Nelson's stupidity for giving him more than he agreed to take, but he does indeed fight on both sides, tries, and plays when injured

That's the issue though, we can pay any schmuck 70 million dollars to "try hard".. Even fully healthy last year, he wasn't worth that money, yet Cuban and Nellie would rather be loyal than smart and pay him even more than the gross overpay he had initially agreed to last summer. Same with Barea. Decisions like that is what makes it difficult for Mavs fans to be optimistic regarding any sort of offseason success.

daoneandonly · Post #12 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:49 pm

Devassa wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:We can all agree Matthews is way overpaid, and that's Cuban and Nelson's stupidity for giving him more than he agreed to take, but he does indeed fight on both sides, tries, and plays when injured

That's the issue though, we can pay any schmuck 70 million dollars to "try hard".. Even fully healthy last year, he wasn't worth that money, yet Cuban and Nellie would rather be loyal than smart and pay him even more than the gross overpay he had initially agreed to last summer. Same with Barea. Decisions like that is what makes it difficult for Mavs fans to be optimistic regarding any sort of offseason success.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but just wait until the next few offseasons, Ryan Anderson and Kent Bazemore and such may very well get 20 mill a year, so Wes's contracts won't be among the worst soon enough.

Post #13 » by **Dirk** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:13 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with you, but just wait until the next few offseasons, Ryan Anderson and Kent Bazemore and such may very well get 20 mill a year, so Wes's contracts won't be among the worst soon enough.

Yeah, unless he aggravates his injury, I have a feeling his contract will be movable without having to give up anything for others to take him on or having to take on toxic contracts. While he has looked bad several times, he's been put in a position to do more than he can with this team, on a more loaded team, he'll fit in better and won't be as exposed.

Looking at free agency last year:

DeMarre Carroll: $60 million with Raptors
Wes Matthews: $70 million with Mavericks
Tyson Chandler: $52 million with Suns
Enes Kanter: $70 million with Thunder
Tristan Thompson: $82 million with Cavs

That was under a 70 million salary cap. The cap is projected to be around 92 million this year, so it's certain that his contract won't look as bad.

But this has been debated to death, I will never understand why the Mavs made Matthews a promise of a max contract if Jordan didn't sign. It should have been, at best, matching his best market offer, which was from the Kings($65 million). Barea is an even bigger head-scratcher... the Mavs paid him twice as much as he probably would be paid anywhere else.

daoneandonly · Post #14 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:45 pm

^^Yup utter foolishness by our FO. But your point about Wes is spot on Dirk, which is why I think the best FA target for this team is Mike Conley Jr. he would take a lot of pressure off Wes on both sides of the court, not to mention help put him in position to score better than anything we have now.

Captain_Obvious · Post #15 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:36 am

fantastic thread and infos

a bit depressing too

Lord Cuban · Post #16 » by **Lord Cuban** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:48 pm

I would like to see this Roster:

PG - Deron Williams - J.J. Barea - Devin Harris
SG - Wesley Matthews - Courtney Lee - Jason Terry
SF - Chandler Parsons - Justin Anderson
PF - Dirk Nowitzki - Dwight Powell - David Lee
C - Dwight Howard - Timofey Mozgov - Chinanu Onuaku (Via Draft)

aussiewill · Post #17 » by **aussiewill** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:42 pm

daoneandonly wrote:^6Do you honestly feel this joke of an aging team will be any different with Festus Ezeli as the key difference maker? I don't see it.

I see all your posts are shooting down ideas, lets hear yours. I don't want Dwight Howard here and the rest of the FA aren't realistic IMO as we aren't a popular FA destination as history would suggest since 1980.

daoneandonly · Post #18 » by **daoneandonly** » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:57 pm

aussiewill wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:^6Do you honestly feel this joke of an aging team will be any different with Festus Ezeli as the key difference maker? I don't see it.

I see all your posts are shooting down ideas, lets hear yours. I don't want Dwight Howard here and the rest of the FA aren't realistic IMO as we aren't a popular FA destination as history would suggest since 1980.

It's not meant to be personal, my point is you can insert almost any Center on this team, if 1-3 is still the same, the team isn't going anywhere. Deron WIlliams is below average and soft as flour, Wes Matthews at current health is below average, Chandler Parsons is average (to be paid like a mega star), and the softest living creature in the United States of America. So it would be nice to see ideas where we can change much of that, instead of the obligatory just slot in Festus, Hassan, or Howard, who I 100% agree with you should not be sought after.

aussiewill · Post #19 » by **aussiewill** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 9:07 am

daoneandonly wrote:
aussiewill wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:^6Do you honestly feel this joke of an aging team will be any different with Festus Ezeli as the key difference maker? I don't see it.

I see all your posts are shooting down ideas, lets hear yours. I don't want Dwight Howard here and the rest of the FA aren't realistic IMO as we aren't a popular FA destination as history would suggest since 1980.

It's not meant to be personal, my point is you can insert almost any Center on this team, if 1-3 is still the same, the team isn't going anywhere. Deron WIlliams is below average and soft as flour, Wes Matthews at current health is below average, Chandler Parsons is average (to be paid like a mega star), and the softest living creature in the United States of America. So it would be nice to see ideas where we can change much of that, instead of the obligatory just slot in Festus, Hassan, or Howard, who I 100% agree with you should not be sought after.

No personal offence taken, not my first rodeo on Mav forums. I was actually a moderator on Mavtalk when it was suddenly shut down a few years back...

I'm just looking at realistic options. The likes of KD, Beal, Drummond and co wont be coming here.

The main reason behind Ezeli is that he is coming from a winning culture, has youth, athleticism and above average defensive capabilities, something that we yearn for here. I can't see GSW matching an offer like that with the contractual obligations they will be going through by locking Barnes this year (or chasing KD) and Curry after that with what will only be a super-max contract and it will be the biggest in the NBA.

Who do you think we can get at the 3 if we let Parsons walk without it being another semi-rebuild crapshoot?

daoneandonly · Post #20 » by **daoneandonly** » Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:41 pm

aussiewill wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
aussiewill wrote:
I see all your posts are shooting down ideas, lets hear yours. I don't want Dwight Howard here and the rest of the FA aren't realistic IMO as we aren't a popular FA destination as history would suggest since 1980.

It's not meant to be personal, my point is you can insert almost any Center on this team, if 1-3 is still the same, the team isn't going anywhere. Deron WIlliams is below average and soft as flour, Wes Matthews at current health is below average, Chandler Parsons is average (to be paid like a mega star), and the softest living creature in the United States of America. So it would be nice to see ideas where we can change much of that, instead of the obligatory just slot in Festus, Hassan, or Howard, who I 100% agree with you should not be sought after.

No personal offence taken, not my first rodeo on Mav forums. I was actually a moderator on Mavtalk when it was suddenly shut down a few years back...

I'm just looking at realistic options. The likes of KD, Beal, Drummond and co wont be coming here.

The main reason behind Ezeli is that he is coming from a winning culture, has youth, athleticism and above average defensive capabilities, something that we yearn for here. I can't see GSW matching an offer like that with the contractual obligations they will be going through by locking Barnes this year (or chasing KD) and Curry after that with what will only be a super-max contract and it will be the biggest in the NBA.

Who do you think we can get at the 3 if we let Parsons walk without it being another semi-rebuild crapshoot?

If it were up to me, honestly, I'd give Justin Anderson the starting 3. My dream targets would be Conley and Whiteside, I'm no cap wiz so not sure we could land both, but if our starting lineup next year is the following, I'd be much happier and optimistic than many of the prior seasons:

Whiteside
Dirk
Anderson
Matthews
Conley

Perhaps it's unrealistic and maybe even not feasible, but a guy can dream no? I think that team has offense, defense, rebounding, youth, and athleticism. Round out the bench with FA signings and trades like Barea for McRoberts, and I think you have a team that is not only fun to watch, but will make the playoffs.