The Stephen Curry Thread (2015-16 Pt. 1)

[RSCD3_]

I'm reminded of when Steph was entering the draft and Bobby Knight called him "the greatest passer I have ever seen." Kind of foolish considering the guy is clearly the GOAT shooter and quite possibly the GOAT ball handler (at minimum on a short list), but certainly not anywhere close to a GOAT level passer. I do think he is a better playmaker than given credit for though and the stat sheet doesn't quite capture it. The attention he gathers and the way he stretches the defense has led to Draymond Green being the beneficiary of a bunch of 4 on 3's off of that pick and roll which inevitably lead to a bucket one or two passes later. Draymonds assist total is greatly inflated by Steph

Maybe he meant from a technical standpoint, which makes since because his neurons and reflexes are very sharp.

He also said " I've ever seen " so maybe his exposure is more limited than just saying best passer ever

[LA Bird]

I don't know if anybody else have noticed this but since the 24 game win streak at the beginning of the season,

Green on-off: +12.8 Offense, -15.5 Defense
Curry on-off: +12.8 Offense, -10.3 Defense

Is it possible that Green's defense could be having a bigger impact than Curry's offense?
Curry's offensive on-off isn't unprecedented - Chris Paul last season has almost the same on-court ORtg with a much larger on-off.
OTOH, nobody has come close to Draymond's -15.5 defensive on-off. Rasheed's -11.2 with the 04 Pistons is the best I have seen from a full time starter and his was in a much smaller sample.

[prech]

I don't know if anybody else have noticed this but since the 24 game win streak at the beginning of the season,

Green on-off: +12.8 Offense, -15.5 Defense
Curry on-off: +12.8 Offense, -10.3 Defense

Is it possible that Green's defense could be having a bigger impact than Curry's offense?
Curry's offensive on-off isn't unprecedented - Chris Paul last season has almost the same on-court ORtg with a much larger on-off.
OTOH, nobody has come close to Draymond's -15.5 defensive on-off. Rasheed's -11.2 with the 04 Pistons is the best I have seen from a full time starter and his was in a much smaller sample.

Wow, really impressive. Surprising that Draymond's defensive impact is +5 compared to Steph's, seeing how they overlap in terms of playing time/rotations the mass majority of the time.

I wonder how Bogut and Iguodala's defensive +/- in the same games compare, as they're tremendous defenders, as well, not to mention Iggy overlaps with Draymond and Steph for much of the game (e.g. in the death lineup)

[prech]

As the season winds down and the 50/40/90 club is in sight for Steph, noticed his FT% is precariously low at 90.3%.

Having only attempted 352 FTs (318 makes), only a handful of misses in these last 11 games will make a significant impact. With so few FTA/game (~5), it'll be difficult to make up if Steph starts dipping below 90%. For example, if he's at 89.5% with 375 FTAs, he'd need to make all 25 of his last 25 FTAs, or 100%, just to get back above 90.0%. With all his achievements this year, it's just be the icing on the cake and nowhere nearly as significant as a championship or 73 wins, but in interviews, Steph has definitely spoken about the 50/40/90 club, so hopefully he can maintain that FT%

[The-Power]

For those who like to look at player tracking data: Curry recorded 7 SAS (secondary assists) last night and I've never seen that number before. Curry comfortably leads the league in SAS and most likely never recorded such a high number before, which means this could very well be a record-number to date.

Oh, and he had a decent offensive game last night. Re: the 50/40/90 club (as irrelevant it is to me, it's apparently relevant to Curry). He went 10/11 from the FT-line which means he managed to increase his FT% slightly.

[MyUniBroDavis]

I don't know if anybody else have noticed this but since the 24 game win streak at the beginning of the season,

Green on-off: +12.8 Offense, -15.5 Defense
Curry on-off: +12.8 Offense, -10.3 Defense

Is it possible that Green's defense could be having a bigger impact than Curry's offense?
Curry's offensive on-off isn't unprecedented - Chris Paul last season has almost the same on-court ORtg with a much larger on-off.
OTOH, nobody has come close to Draymond's -15.5 defensive on-off. Rasheed's -11.2 with the 04 Pistons is the best I have seen from a full time starter and his was in a much smaller sample.

In my opinion, a lot of what happened with the clippers last year was lineup based

Griffin had an on court of 118.5
Paul had an on court of 118.3
Deandre of 117.4
Reddick 116.4

This isn't necessarily different with the Warriors either, but still. His offensive rapm wasn't out of this world either iirc.

And clippers starting lineup last year was better than the Warriors starting lineup last year offensively, while their bench performed worse than all playoff teams, and, iirc, worst in the league

[JulesWinnfield]

They broke the team record for single season made 3's last night. Still 10 games to go. Klay has been on fire of late. He needs just 24 threes in those 10 games and he will have made more threes than anyone ever has in a season with the exception of Steph. He actually has a decent chance to crack into that top 3 which are all currently held by Steph

[weekend_warrior]

Klay has been on a tear recently. Hit 60/104 three pointers during the last 11 games (after going 0/8 in the game prior). Could possibly end up just behind 2016 Steph in the record books. He is a crazy good shooter.

The two Warriors together have more made three pointers than 15 NBA teams!

[Doctor MJ]

I don't know if anybody else have noticed this but since the 24 game win streak at the beginning of the season,

Green on-off: +12.8 Offense, -15.5 Defense
Curry on-off: +12.8 Offense, -10.3 Defense

Is it possible that Green's defense could be having a bigger impact than Curry's offense?
Curry's offensive on-off isn't unprecedented - Chris Paul last season has almost the same on-court ORtg with a much larger on-off.
OTOH, nobody has come close to Draymond's -15.5 defensive on-off. Rasheed's -11.2 with the 04 Pistons is the best I have seen from a full time starter and his was in a much smaller sample.

In my opinion, a lot of what happened with the clippers last year was lineup based

Griffin had an on court of 118.5
Paul had an on court of 118.3
Deandre of 117.4
Reddick 116.4

This isn't necessarily different with the Warriors either, but still. His offensive rapm wasn't out of this world either iirc.

And clippers starting lineup last year was better than the Warriors starting lineup last year offensively, while their bench performed worse than all playoff teams, and, iirc, worst in the league

Yup, and this relates to why people are talking about Doc as being a generation behind in terms of how to shuffle his lineups.

[toodles23]

His shot has really been off lately. 0-4 already tonight, and he's had some good looks.

[cpower]

His shot has really been off lately. 0-4 already tonight, and he's had some good looks.

he has not been aggressive as he used to be. physically he is not at his best form.

[RSCD3_]

His shot has really been off lately. 0-4 already tonight, and he's had some good looks.

he has not been aggressive as he used to be. physically he is not at his best form.

Do you think he'll rest any games down the stretch? Would be a shame to see them lose to the spurs because kerr prioritized a regular season record over a ship. Or is it just mental fatigue thing that'll turn around after the RS ends

[euliss]

after klay tired down last year as the season went long i was scared of how he'd do this year, but hes been incredible this second half of the year

[Clyde Frazier]

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Slick!

[tmorgan]

That vine is a perfect illustration of something... the push-off.

I doubt the NBA has any interest in slowing down scoring, but the easiest thing to do if the league wants to bring some real defense back is to start enforcing some consistent screening rules. There's all kinds of crazy crap going on (not just for the Warriors, for everyone) that isn't getting called, and screens are more effective than ever because of it.

[Clyde Frazier]

That vine is a perfect illustration of something... the push-off.

I doubt the NBA has any interest in slowing down scoring, but the easiest thing to do if the league wants to bring some real defense back is to start enforcing some consistent screening rules. There's all kinds of crazy crap going on (not just for the Warriors, for everyone) that isn't getting called, and screens are more effective than ever because of it.

Illegal screens are so common that it's pretty analogous to the way certain types of travels are rarely called in the NBA. I'm not sure cracking down on that would make for a better product.

I'd much rather see them change the way shooting fouls are called where guys like harden and durant take serious advantage. Initiating contact to draw a foul and not trying to take a real shot disrupts the flow of the game. Same with what i'd call "The Battier", where a player jumps in at the last second on a fast break to take a charge. These types of plays are not fun to watch as a fan.

You also have wildly inconsistent rulings on who's allowed to push off when they drive to the rim, but you don't see that quite as often.

[RSCD3_]

+933 with 9 games left

If he rests 0 games, +5.23 to pass jordan, 7.45 to hit triple digits
If he rests 1 game, +5.88 to pass jordan, 8.38 to hit triple digits
If he rests 2 games, +6.71 to pass jordan, 9.58 to hit triple digits

Does he still have the highest modern PER, his numbers have been trending down there. He's at 32.0 right now and his ws/48 is a not quite shabby 0.32. I just hope he doesnt burn himself out for the playoffs like 2013 lebron was

[nikomCH]

+933 with 9 games left

If he rests 0 games, +5.23 to pass jordan, 7.45 to hit triple digits
If he rests 1 game, +5.88 to pass jordan, 8.38 to hit triple digits
If he rests 2 games, +6.71 to pass jordan, 9.58 to hit triple digits

Does he still have the highest modern PER, his numbers have been trending down there. He's at 32.0 right now and his ws/48 is a not quite shabby 0.32. I just hope he doesnt burn himself out for the playoffs like 2013 lebron was

31.8 right now. I think he's going to lose the PER record, at this point it seems more likely that he starts coasting

[therealbig3]

Since the ASB:

34.1 mpg - 30.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.6 apg, 3.0 TOpg, 66.0% TS, 123 ORating

He's pretty much been at the same level as he was pre-ASB (slight dropoff in efficiency).

But the Warriors as a team since the ASB (in games Curry has played): +7.95 MOV, -0.03 SOS = 7.92 SRS

They went from playing like the GOAT team before the ASB to a team that more so resembles this year's Thunder.


BTW, Draymond Green since the ASB: 35.7 mpg - 12.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 7.9 apg, 3.8 TOpg, 57.0% TS, 107 ORating

Offensively, Green has very clearly seen a dropoff in his level of play, and considering that the Warriors defense has fallen off more so than their offense, and since Green is the anchor of that defense, it's very likely that his defense hasn't been as good post-ASB either.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Since the ASB:

34.1 mpg - 30.7 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 6.6 apg, 3.0 TOpg, 66.0% TS, 123 ORating

He's pretty much been at the same level as he was pre-ASB (slight dropoff in efficiency).

But the Warriors as a team since the ASB (in games Curry has played): +7.95 MOV, -0.03 SOS = 7.92 SRS

They went from playing like the GOAT team before the ASB to a team that more so resembles this year's Thunder.


BTW, Draymond Green since the ASB: 35.7 mpg - 12.8 ppg, 9.8 rpg, 7.9 apg, 3.8 TOpg, 57.0% TS, 107 ORating

Offensively, Green has very clearly seen a dropoff in his level of play, and considering that the Warriors defense has fallen off more so than their offense, and since Green is the anchor of that defense, it's very likely that his defense hasn't been as good post-ASB either.

I mean, u have to take into account that they lost by 32 against Portland,

Taking out that game, but including the game that curry didn't play, they have a net rating of 9.9, which isn't too much worse than their regular net rating,

As for curry's numbers, we have to take into account that, as of late, he has really not been himself. Slightly worried for the playoffs now honestly, but probably shouldn't be.

And, to be frank, they simply aren't playing as hard now, getting complacent which will change in the playoffs.