2017 All Star Game Moved From Charlotte

[fatlever]

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[fatlever]

http://www.atthehive.com/2016/3/24/11302302/north-carolina-anti-lgbt-bill-all-star-game-2017

[ChokeFasncists]

Sounds like the bill is a statement more than anything?

Why would it be undoubtedly better to have women who have been completely (almost) transformed biologically into men, who dress, act and feel like men use the women's bathrooms?

[Diop]

I actually read the law and it's totally legitimate IMO. It isn't necessarily anti-LGBT as it is the State exercising its right to keep local authorities from creating regulations that might harm intrastate commerce. The local Charlotte ordinance made it possible to create protected class statuses of workers which runs afoul of State law. The city and public agencies therein were and are free to regulate their own hiring requirements/wages but unlawful to regulate private businesses.

Basically it's a state-wide consistency issue. The NBA may threaten to pull the game from Charlotte but multitudes of private businesses may decide to do business in other states due to less local ordinances/regulation/red tape in them. The State is prioritizing a business and commerce friendly environment over a quasi-LGBT issue.

yeah I was reading what that lawyer dude posted on the general board and it seems to be more a power struggle between state and local government in regards to employer/employee rights. these type of things happen all over the world with the bigger govt's occasionally flexing their muscles like this.

the law itself doesn't seem to relate to LGBT at all but that's what is creating the most noise.

the state could probably release a lot of pressure by following up with a law about transgender and toilets. showing that the change won't damn the LGBT community.

[tondi123]

Dont know why the NBA would get themselves fired up over this when LGBT protections aren't even on the federal governments list of protected groups. Will the NBA also threaten to take the all star game to another country?

[LofJ]

Dont know why the NBA would get themselves fired up over this when LGBT protections aren't even on the federal governments list of protected groups.

LGBT is not a protected class, but they absolutely should be. It is shameful to wait until the law changes to respect the rights of a discriminated class of people. The fact that LGBT people aren't protected at the federal level yet should be irrelevant to this discussion.

Also, I find the argument that the state passed this law to eliminate conflicting employment standards and red tape to be myopic. Do you honestly think $7.25 an hour is worth the same amount in Charlotte as it is in rural Appalachia? Municipalities absolutely should be able to set their own standards when it comes to wages because the cost of living is radically different when you compare urban and rural areas. Big companies that can afford to pay their employees more than $7.25 should when those people live in more expensive areas like Charlotte. Otherwise they're shifting costs onto taxpayers because the government will have to supplement their wages with SNAP, Medicaid, etc when they can afford not to. That said on the flip side small businesses in rural areas often can't afford to pay their employees much more, which is why it makes sense to allow towns to set their own wage standards.

And I'm not even going to get into the idea that protecting LGBT people from employment discrimination is a "burden" on business. That line of thinking is a joke and not even worth discussing.

[tondi123]

I don't necessarily disagree with any of that but the NBA didn't give a crap about NC laws on this matter prior to Charlotte passing their legislation which the Raleigh legislation was a direct response to. In other words, if the NBA had decided to come to Charlotte based on the fact it's a LGBT friendly zone then it would make sense for them to threaten to leave once those laws had been invalidated by what just happened in Raleigh but that clearly isn't the case here. I am curious whether the NBA will actually do the right thing here and pull out completely and go instead only to a city where LGBT rights are 100% aligned with its views of what's right or if it will blow a bunch of smoke and ultimately do nothing. Also how long will it continue to allow teams to exist in cities and/or states that don't share it's view on this issue before relocating all of them to more enlightened pastures. It will be fascinating to see how much money they are willing to cost themselves in order to force their agenda on the basketball watching public. Can't wait for the NBA championship winning team to boycott the White House because of the lack of LGBT support at the federal level.

[SWedd523]

How is this an LGB issue and not just a "T" issue? Who's checking at bathrooms to make sure that "lady" who just walked out of the ladies room is actually a "lady" and vice versa? Why is this even something that should be a law one way or the other? What happened to using sound judgment and decency in situations like this?

That's just a bunch of questions to say both sides of this coin are dumb

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

The largest issue I have with this law, and the reason that I actually think that the NBA might act on it, is that what the folks in general assembly passed was a bill with far more impact on non-LBGT stuff than it has on LBGT.

The fact that someone can't go to state court for race based discrimination in NC now is a huge freaking deal and one that the NBA simply can't ignore. Yes federal court is still an option for NC residents, but traditionally these cases went to state court rather than federal so it really is a huge change.

I'm also a bit concerned about the extensive language around local governments and contracting. It's there for a reason and I'm not really sure what that is yet.

[Flip Murray]

DOMA was on the books in NC and there were still questions as to whether it would be unenforceable at the time the NBA gave the all star game to Charlotte. Why did they do that? I really think adam silver knows that this would be an arbitrary decision that opens up a can of worms for the nba. Texas doesn't provide lgbt discrimination protection. If I'm not mistaken Texas doesn't provide any anti-discrimination protection beyond federal law. Didn't stop them from going to Houston. I don't even have to start with Arizona

[yosemiteben]

If there has ever been a time when having Michael **** Jordan as our owner should pay dividends, it's this situation. They better not take away hosting the ASG from MJ.

[fatlever]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/business/article67970287.html

and its not just the NBA getting in on the conversation. A lot of huge corps came out in last 24 hours against.

[JDR720]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/713427386369310720[/tweet]

[amcoolio]

More politicians have been arrested for bathroom misconduct than transgender people.

If a rapist really wanted to rape, they would walk into a bathroom and do it. Bathrooms aren't guarded by police anyway.

[amcoolio]

One of my best friends is a Female to Male transgendered person, and you would never know it. He looks like a man, and he is completely normal. How would you enforce this rule anyway? And are the conservative Christians gonna be mad when he has to to use the ladies room with their daughters? I mean you can't have it both ways.

Anyway, politics should stay out of it. Charlotte shouldn't be punished because of some crony state politics and uneducated people.

Back on topic, I can't see how the NBA can take the game away from us. The Hornets and MJ would revolt.

[Eoghan]

Dont know why the NBA would get themselves fired up over this when LGBT protections aren't even on the federal governments list of protected groups.

LGBT is not a protected class, but they absolutely should be. It is shameful to wait until the law changes to respect the rights of a discriminated class of people. The fact that LGBT people aren't protected at the federal level yet should be irrelevant to this discussion.

Also, I find the argument that the state passed this law to eliminate conflicting employment standards and red tape to be myopic. Do you honestly think $7.25 an hour is worth the same amount in Charlotte as it is in rural Appalachia? Municipalities absolutely should be able to set their own standards when it comes to wages because the cost of living is radically different when you compare urban and rural areas. Big companies that can afford to pay their employees more than $7.25 should when those people live in more expensive areas like Charlotte. Otherwise they're shifting costs onto taxpayers because the government will have to supplement their wages with SNAP, Medicaid, etc when they can afford not to. That said on the flip side small businesses in rural areas often can't afford to pay their employees much more, which is why it makes sense to allow towns to set their own wage standards.

And I'm not even going to get into the idea that protecting LGBT people from employment discrimination is a "burden" on business. That line of thinking is a joke and not even worth discussing.

It shouldn't be local government's jobs to decide how much people make, that's what the free market is for. This law is absolutely about NC being pro-capitalism and fits in line with their recent implementation of a labor tax to move NC's tax base from income tax to consumptive taxes. They didn't just single out LGBT people for employment discrimination either, included veterans and other groups also. Basically saying if you're a business owner and you want to fire somebody for whatever reason, go for it. You may not like it but this is what it is, NC being drunk with Ayn Rand ideology.

[Diop]

One of my best friends is a Female to Male transgendered person, and you would never know it. He looks like a man, and he is completely normal. How would you enforce this rule anyway? And are the conservative Christians gonna be mad when he has to to use the ladies room with their daughters? I mean you can't have it both ways.

I guess as the legislation seems to relate to the workplace a lot, I guess it allows employers to sack a transgender if they continue to use the incorrect toilet. So if a lot of coworkers keep complaining about Jenner constantly using the girls toilet, they could probably use that evidence to fire him.

[Diop]

It shouldn't be local government's jobs to decide how much people make, that's what the free market is for.

if you had a minimum wage your workers wouldn't have to rely upon tips and consumers wouldn't be treated like satan when they decide not too tip

[yosemiteben]

This law is absolutely about NC being pro-capitalism...

Just out of curiosity, do you think SB514 / NC's DOMA was about being pro-capitalism?

[Eoghan]

It shouldn't be local government's jobs to decide how much people make, that's what the free market is for.

if you had a minimum wage your workers wouldn't have to rely upon tips and consumers wouldn't be treated like satan when they decide not too tip

How so? Does tipping magically disappear in states with minimum wage laws? In a state like NC, when you raise minimum wage laws it's just as likely to make people more reliant on tips b/c the cost of living will go up, etc.