The Trade Thread: All Eyes Toward The Offseason

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Let's see if Knight can continue to keep turnovers low as he has in the past two games. If he can do that and get his 3FG% back to where it was in Milwaukee, no one will want to trade him. One things for sure - dude does not know how to throw a lob.

[TeamTragic]

Trading Knight for Sideshow Bob? GTFO

[LukasBMW]

Thinking outloud:

Would you rather have Knight play horrible, finish #3, and have a 46.9% chance of a top 3 pick?

Or

Would you rather have Knight play well, get some attention, and finish 4th giving us a 37.8% chance at a top 3 pick?

I'd almost lean toward Knight playing well. That way we can trade him on draft day.

I'd rather have a movable Knight and #5 or #6 than #3 and no way to trade Knight.

[saintEscaton]

Thinking outloud:

Would you rather have Knight play horrible, finish #3, and have a 46.9% chance of a top 3 pick?

Or

Would you rather have Knight play well, get some attention, and finish 4th giving us a 37.8% chance at a top 3 pick?

I'd almost lean toward Knight playing well. That way we can trade him on draft day.

I'd rather have a movable Knight and #5 or #6 than #3 and no way to trade Knight.

It wouldn't make a difference we have 12 games left, Knight isn't gunna up his trade value winning some meaningless games while statpadding fora garbage team

[Mulhollanddrive]

We always trade our players when they're worth the least, it's so stupid.

[letsgosuns]

I think everyone in the league knows who Knight is at this point so I doubt whatever he does right now makes a difference. However, he is definitely tradable. If a team is willing to take Markieff and give up a potential lottery pick for him, then someone will take Knight. Even Michael Beasley is still getting a team to pay him. There is always a team out there willing to take a chance. I just do not know if Knight can get a decent return or not.

[carey]

There's only 2 tier 1 guys in this draft and that is Simmons and Ingram. So drafting 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th doesn't even matter much to me. We'll get around the same level prospect.

I'd like to go a wing and a big man, and it doesn't much matter what order they are drafted in. I'm not the biggest Dunn fan though so I'm a tad concerned that's who we'd be targeting if we fall out of the top two.

Some combinations I like from the draft.

Bender-Valentine
Hield-Rabb
Murray-Sabonis

or possibly going double big with Ellenson-Rabb and then nabbing my boy Melo with the Cavs pick. I'll touch on some trades later but assuming Knight goes into a super-sub Jamal Crawford type role:

Bledsoe-Ttrimble
Booker-Knight-Jenkins
Warren
Ellenson-Rabb
Chandler-Len

The other prospect I want to stay away from as much as Dunn is Brown. It's not that his stinker of a tournament game soured me on him, I just don't find anything pro-worthy in his game. Honestly, I'm kind of baffled why Givony has had him as high as #4 all season long.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I'd be equally as pleased with Bender as Ingram, so that to me opens it to a top 3 scenario.

My personal favourite is Hield (I'd pick him 2nd), but I don't think we will select him.

But we all know our FO has a Pavlov's Dog reaction to playoffs - So if Love or Carmelo are on the table, our draft pick will be on it the next instance.

[sunskerr]

I'd be equally as pleased with Bender as Ingram, so that to me opens it to a top 3 scenario.

My personal favourite is Hield (I'd pick him 2nd), but I don't think we will select him.

But we all know our FO has a Pavlov's Dog reaction to playoffs - So if Love or Carmelo are on the table, our draft pick will be on it the next instance.

McDonough has at least shown enough for me to believe he'd never fall for a Melo trade, especially for our own pick.

[bwgood77]

I think everyone in the league knows who Knight is at this point so I doubt whatever he does right now makes a difference. However, he is definitely tradable. If a team is willing to take Markieff and give up a potential lottery pick for him, then someone will take Knight. Even Michael Beasley is still getting a team to pay him. There is always a team out there willing to take a chance. I just do not know if Knight can get a decent return or not.

The one team or coach I could see figuring they could get the best out of Knight, is Dallas and Carlisle. He made Monta Ellis play more efficiently and their current group of guards is Felton, Barea, Devin Harris and Deron Williams. I don't think they can really stick with any of those guys much longer.

Unfortunately they don't really have any assets we would want.

[NavLDO]

Trading Knight for Sideshow Bob? GTFO

Which part do you find funny? An inconsistent, turnover prone, poor shooting, poor decision-making, ball-hog PG for an average-to-above-average Center? Or the fact that that any GM would trade anything of value for an inconsistent, turnover prone, poor shooting, poor decision-making, ball-hog PG?

Robin Lopez on his contract is worth more than Brandon Knight on his; IMO, a decent 7-Footer will usually hold better value than a 6'3" PG who turns the ball over, or a 6'3" SG that can't shoot--however you want to view what Brandon Knight is. McD's worst deal--by far--was his decision to trade for Knight. It was questionable at the time, but has looked worse and worse as time goes on.

We need to dump Knight ASAP before he loses even more value, and if not, I can only hope that when Bledsoe returns, Knight's game improves to a level of where it was in the first 20 games of the season.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Trading Knight for Sideshow Bob? GTFO

Which part do you find funny? An inconsistent, turnover prone, poor shooting, poor decision-making, ball-hog PG for an average-to-above-average Center? Or the fact that that any GM would trade anything of value for an inconsistent, turnover prone, poor shooting, poor decision-making, ball-hog PG?

Robin Lopez on his contract is worth more than Brandon Knight on his; IMO, a decent 7-Footer will usually hold better value than a 6'3" PG who turns the ball over, or a 6'3" SG that can't shoot--however you want to view what Brandon Knight is. McD's worst deal--by far--was his decision to trade for Knight. It was questionable at the time, but has looked worse and worse as time goes on.

We need to dump Knight ASAP before he loses even more value, and if not, I can only hope that when Bledsoe returns, Knight's game improves to a level of where it was in the first 20 games of the season.

Knight's had 1 turnover the last two games. If he can keep his turnovers low and get his FG% back to what it was in Milwaukee, teams will be beating down our door for him.

It would be classic McD to put him on the bench, have him excel and agitate for a trade. Another, "No! No! We love him! We want to keep him!” Followed by, “Well if we must, we’ll take your draft picks. Darn.”

[NavLDO]

Gotta get rid of Knight for decent value... Maybe a pick between 8 and 12... Or for young prospects.

Maybe entice Bulls... They need depth in the scoring department at the backcourt.

On a similar vein to as what I just replied to GoranTragic, who would trade a lotto pick for him at his current 'value'? Unless Knight shows more consistency to his game, as he's played the past couple, for the next 20ish games, I don't think GMs see any different than we fans do, and that Knight is not worth his current contract. And as the NBA is more about "trading" contracts than "trading" players, we would have to either pay something for someone to take him, or take back a relatively poor contract like what Knight is currently on.

Those (not just you, necessarily, 1UPZ) that feel that we can trade Knight and get back anything of positive value need to recognize that if we as fans don't want him, what GM is going to want him?

The only way I see McD being able to unload Knight would be in a multiple player deal, where we give up a player with positive value with Knight, for a decent veteran. And if we want an established "Star" player, we'll have to include one of: Warren, Booker, Len, or Bledsoe. Those 4 are the only ones that I view that have positive value, with Goodwin as a "maybe". So which one of them do 'we' want to part within order to unload Knight? If we aren't willing to part with any of them, than I don't see Knight being traded ny time soon, UNLESS, again, he shows something for the remainder of the season, and if he does, than yes, McD needs to jump on that 'value' and trade him away.

[AtheJ415]

There's only 2 tier 1 guys in this draft and that is Simmons and Ingram. So drafting 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th doesn't even matter much to me. We'll get around the same level prospect.

I'd like to go a wing and a big man, and it doesn't much matter what order they are drafted in. I'm not the biggest Dunn fan though so I'm a tad concerned that's who we'd be targeting if we fall out of the top two.

Some combinations I like from the draft.

Bender-Valentine
Hield-Rabb
Murray-Sabonis

or possibly going double big with Ellenson-Rabb and then nabbing my boy Melo with the Cavs pick. I'll touch on some trades later but assuming Knight goes into a super-sub Jamal Crawford type role:

Bledsoe-Ttrimble
Booker-Knight-Jenkins
Warren
Ellenson-Rabb
Chandler-Len

The other prospect I want to stay away from as much as Dunn is Brown. It's not that his stinker of a tournament game soured me on him, I just don't find anything pro-worthy in his game. Honestly, I'm kind of baffled why Givony has had him as high as #4 all season long.

I'd rather double down on a big man. If we're going wing we really need a 3, unless we're actually trading Knight. If we're actually trading Knight then we could draft a backup 2, but keep in mind we have Bogdan coming over, and he can play the 2 and 3.

Since we need 2 PFs anyways since we don't have a backup under contract, I'd rather see us go Bender + Chriss, Rabb, or Ellenson (if he falls). Bender can play C a bit in small lineups so I would rather go that direction.

[bwgood77]

There's only 2 tier 1 guys in this draft and that is Simmons and Ingram. So drafting 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th doesn't even matter much to me. We'll get around the same level prospect.

I'd like to go a wing and a big man, and it doesn't much matter what order they are drafted in. I'm not the biggest Dunn fan though so I'm a tad concerned that's who we'd be targeting if we fall out of the top two.

Some combinations I like from the draft.

Bender-Valentine
Hield-Rabb
Murray-Sabonis

or possibly going double big with Ellenson-Rabb and then nabbing my boy Melo with the Cavs pick. I'll touch on some trades later but assuming Knight goes into a super-sub Jamal Crawford type role:

Bledsoe-Ttrimble
Booker-Knight-Jenkins
Warren
Ellenson-Rabb
Chandler-Len

The other prospect I want to stay away from as much as Dunn is Brown. It's not that his stinker of a tournament game soured me on him, I just don't find anything pro-worthy in his game. Honestly, I'm kind of baffled why Givony has had him as high as #4 all season long.

I'd rather double down on a big man. If we're going wing we really need a 3, unless we're actually trading Knight. If we're actually trading Knight then we could draft a backup 2, but keep in mind we have Bogdan coming over, and he can play the 2 and 3.

Since we need 2 PFs anyways since we don't have a backup under contract, I'd rather see us go Bender + Chriss, Rabb, or Ellenson (if he falls). Bender can play C a bit in small lineups so I would rather go that direction.

My hope as well. I'd probably prefer Davis to Rabb though.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

There's only 2 tier 1 guys in this draft and that is Simmons and Ingram. So drafting 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th doesn't even matter much to me. We'll get around the same level prospect.

I'd like to go a wing and a big man, and it doesn't much matter what order they are drafted in. I'm not the biggest Dunn fan though so I'm a tad concerned that's who we'd be targeting if we fall out of the top two.

Some combinations I like from the draft.

Bender-Valentine
Hield-Rabb
Murray-Sabonis

or possibly going double big with Ellenson-Rabb and then nabbing my boy Melo with the Cavs pick. I'll touch on some trades later but assuming Knight goes into a super-sub Jamal Crawford type role:

Bledsoe-Ttrimble
Booker-Knight-Jenkins
Warren
Ellenson-Rabb
Chandler-Len

The other prospect I want to stay away from as much as Dunn is Brown. It's not that his stinker of a tournament game soured me on him, I just don't find anything pro-worthy in his game. Honestly, I'm kind of baffled why Givony has had him as high as #4 all season long.

I'd rather double down on a big man. If we're going wing we really need a 3, unless we're actually trading Knight. If we're actually trading Knight then we could draft a backup 2, but keep in mind we have Bogdan coming over, and he can play the 2 and 3.

Since we need 2 PFs anyways since we don't have a backup under contract, I'd rather see us go Bender + Chriss, Rabb, or Ellenson (if he falls). Bender can play C a bit in small lineups so I would rather go that direction.

My hope as well. I'd probably prefer Davis to Rabb though.

I've recently come to this conclusion as well. Still trying to figure out my rankings, but I do have, at this point, Davis > Rabb. I'm also starting to figure out that Ellenson belongs at or near the top of any PF list. So Ellenson > Davis > Rabb. All I got so far.

Edit: Ellenson > Chriss > Davis > Rabb

Edit: It's a tough choice between Sabonis and Ellenson, but I think ultimately, I gotta follow JC's lead on this one. Sabonis > Ellenson > Chriss > Davis > Rabb

[TeamTragic]

Trading Knight for Sideshow Bob? GTFO

Which part do you find funny? An inconsistent, turnover prone, poor shooting, poor decision-making, ball-hog PG for an average-to-above-average Center? Or the fact that that any GM would trade anything of value for an inconsistent, turnover prone, poor shooting, poor decision-making, ball-hog PG?

Robin Lopez on his contract is worth more than Brandon Knight on his; IMO, a decent 7-Footer will usually hold better value than a 6'3" PG who turns the ball over, or a 6'3" SG that can't shoot--however you want to view what Brandon Knight is. McD's worst deal--by far--was his decision to trade for Knight. It was questionable at the time, but has looked worse and worse as time goes on.

We need to dump Knight ASAP before he loses even more value, and if not, I can only hope that when Bledsoe returns, Knight's game improves to a level of where it was in the first 20 games of the season.

Because we drafted Lopez and he is not what this team needs. There is a reason we moved on from him. He was signed by the Knicks as a FA if that tells you anything.

I would rather take my chances with Knight and/or trade him for a pick. What a **** horrible trade

[jcsunsfan]

Gotta get rid of Knight for decent value... Maybe a pick between 8 and 12... Or for young prospects.

Maybe entice Bulls... They need depth in the scoring department at the backcourt.

On a similar vein to as what I just replied to GoranTragic, who would trade a lotto pick for him at his current 'value'? Unless Knight shows more consistency to his game, as he's played the past couple, for the next 20ish games, I don't think GMs see any different than we fans do, and that Knight is not worth his current contract. And as the NBA is more about "trading" contracts than "trading" players, we would have to either pay something for someone to take him, or take back a relatively poor contract like what Knight is currently on.

Those (not just you, necessarily, 1UPZ) that feel that we can trade Knight and get back anything of positive value need to recognize that if we as fans don't want him, what GM is going to want him?

Like fans know better than GM's? Or Gm's poll fans on what they should do?

I am sorry, this is dead wrong. Teams are going to pay alot more for lesser players than Brandon Knight this summer. To think that we would have to give up assets to get rid of him is silly. Teams are not going to be cap strapped.

People said the same thing about Markieff. I am so glad you are not the GM.

This ranking of Suns players according to trade value is about spot on.

http://arizonasports.com/story/556522/ranking-phoenix-suns-trade-value-deadline/

[bwgood77]

Gotta get rid of Knight for decent value... Maybe a pick between 8 and 12... Or for young prospects.

Maybe entice Bulls... They need depth in the scoring department at the backcourt.

On a similar vein to as what I just replied to GoranTragic, who would trade a lotto pick for him at his current 'value'? Unless Knight shows more consistency to his game, as he's played the past couple, for the next 20ish games, I don't think GMs see any different than we fans do, and that Knight is not worth his current contract. And as the NBA is more about "trading" contracts than "trading" players, we would have to either pay something for someone to take him, or take back a relatively poor contract like what Knight is currently on.

Those (not just you, necessarily, 1UPZ) that feel that we can trade Knight and get back anything of positive value need to recognize that if we as fans don't want him, what GM is going to want him?

Like fans know better than GM's? Or Gm's poll fans on what they should do?

I am sorry, this is dead wrong. Teams are going to pay alot more for lesser players than Brandon Knight this summer. To think that we would have to give up assets to get rid of him is silly. Teams are not going to be cap strapped.

People said the same thing about Markieff. I am so glad you are not the GM.

This ranking of Suns players according to trade value is about spot on.

http://arizonasports.com/story/556522/ranking-phoenix-suns-trade-value-deadline/

I think in general many of us have a more jaded view of Knight than what his actual value may be. Every other game or so I look at his line, and just purely based on that, he looks like he is a stat stuffer fairly often who helps in many ways.

I am unsure how much other GMs and team scouts put into time watching other team's players, but I imagine they look at quite a bit of tape before pulling the trigger on a trade, so I am not sure what I would think.

My guess is that some certain GMs and coaches could look at positives and negatives and think they know how to utilize a certain player (I mentioned Dallas and Carlisle as someone who could have interest in Knight). I imagine McD and possibly Hornacek maybe thought the same with Knight, but that also seemed like a knee jerk trade with possibly not a ton of scouting and research into it (not saying that happened, but it kind of seemed that way).

I think the biggest problem is that the league is full of so many good guards, and good young guard prospects on rookie deals that his value right now is probably less than it would be in a normal era where there might be fewer good guards.

However, the one plus is that with the cap jump, I imagine his value, relative to that, goes up, especially with those thinking about the following year with a subsequent jump.

But he will hold the most value this summer AFTER free agency or maybe at the deadline if team's have injuries. I would be very surprised to see him traded before free agency was over and pretty surprised if he was traded before December or January 15th.

[Moochthemonkey]

I think everyone in the league knows who Knight is at this point so I doubt whatever he does right now makes a difference. However, he is definitely tradable. If a team is willing to take Markieff and give up a potential lottery pick for him, then someone will take Knight. Even Michael Beasley is still getting a team to pay him. There is always a team out there willing to take a chance. I just do not know if Knight can get a decent return or not.

Teams are willing to take a chance on those players because Markieff is at a reasonable 8 Mil$/per for 3 more years while Beasley hasn't made more than the league minimum over the last 3 seasons. The raising cap @ the summer of '17 may help a little, but I do not think teams are going to gamble- at least over the next two seasons, for the Shannon Brown prototype 2.0 on an albatross contract that doesn't expire until the next decade. As you say, everyone in the league knows who Knight is at this point.The Knightmare's turnover prone play, ball-movement killing, below average passing skills for a guard, excessive over-dribbling, poor shot selection, mediocre defense at best are qualities not left a secret to just Suns fans. Maybe he can be moved if a first round pick or two is inclusive in a deal for the sake of cap-space, but that doesn't make sense for us unless the Suns have a better than good shot at obtaining an expensive marquis FA (unlikely for now).