2017 All Star Game Moved From Charlotte

[Eoghan]

This law is absolutely about NC being pro-capitalism...

Just out of curiosity, do you think SB514 / NC's DOMA was about being pro-capitalism?

No, that is more likely about NC conservatives thinking that gay marriage is icky b/c their voter base thinks it is icky.

[yosemiteben]

This law is absolutely about NC being pro-capitalism...

Just out of curiosity, do you think SB514 / NC's DOMA was about being pro-capitalism?

No, that is more likely about NC conservatives thinking that gay marriage is icky b/c their voter base thinks it is icky.

But when they strike down an ordinance saying no LGBT discrimination and additionally expressly exclude LGBT status as a basis for discrimination statewide, that has nothing to do with that same group's view that rights should be denied to LGBT folks because their lifestyle is "icky"?

It seems incredibly naive to say there is absolutely no moral judgement involved here.

If this was not an LGBT issue, there wouldn't have been a rush special session called.

[Eoghan]

Just out of curiosity, do you think SB514 / NC's DOMA was about being pro-capitalism?

No, that is more likely about NC conservatives thinking that gay marriage is icky b/c their voter base thinks it is icky.

But when they strike down an ordinance saying no LGBT discrimination and additionally expressly exclude LGBT status as a basis for discrimination statewide, that has nothing to do with that same group's view that rights should be denied to LGBT folks because their lifestyle is "icky"?

It seems incredibly naive to say there is absolutely no moral judgement involved here.

If this was not an LGBT issue, there wouldn't have been a rush special session called.

It doesn't expressly exclude LGBT people, it expressly excludes local government's authority to create protected statuses of people because it would be inconsistent with NC law. LGBT part of this is just a political football kicked by liberal Charlotte politicians to create a political false flag and draw national media attention in an election year. If you take out the restroom thing and just have the bit where Charlotte says they can regulate the minimum wages private businesses have to pay their employees and other business regulations than the state would still nix it except then only people that like to argue economic theory would care. Throw the LGBT stuff on it and then it looks like NC government is a bunch of heartless homophobes. Charlotte basically forced the state government to stomp out a flaming bag of quasi-LGBT/economic purview poop.

[yosemiteben]

The NC legislation did more than address the ordinance issue (meaning the city vs. state policy issue). If that was all it was concerned about, HB2 could have started at Part II - http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/House/PDF/H2v1.pdf

There also would have been no need to drop in "biological sex" in 143-422.2 (a) (beginning of Part III).

There is no way that the same DOMA group that thinks LGBT folks are icky got together to review an LGBT ordinance and made the changes that were made without any moral judgment. They spoke substantively about the procedure and the content of the ordinance.

[ChokeFasncists]

One of my best friends is a Female to Male transgendered person, and you would never know it. He looks like a man, and he is completely normal. How would you enforce this rule anyway? And are the conservative Christians gonna be mad when he has to to use the ladies room with their daughters? I mean you can't have it both ways.

I'd imagine it's more strange to have him go into the ladies room

[Diop]

It shouldn't be local government's jobs to decide how much people make, that's what the free market is for.

if you had a minimum wage your workers wouldn't have to rely upon tips and consumers wouldn't be treated like satan when they decide not too tip

How so? Does tipping magically disappear in states with minimum wage laws? In a state like NC, when you raise minimum wage laws it's just as likely to make people more reliant on tips b/c the cost of living will go up, etc.

That was more a sarcastic swipe from a tourist who didn't like being forced to tip. I'm not an economist at all and could only answer that minimum wage works alright here. Allows us to choose when to tip

[PG13]

Good for the Canes:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NHLCanes/status/713444024149913600[/tweet]

[amcoolio]

The law will be repealed, there is simply so much negative attraction NC is getting from all over the place for any sane governor/congress not to overturn it.

To the others that are coming on the forum that aren't from NC, no, the majority of us people don't feel this way. Everyone I know is against this law and are anti-discriminatory.

[Hornet Mania]

if you had a minimum wage your workers wouldn't have to rely upon tips and consumers wouldn't be treated like satan when they decide not too tip

How so? Does tipping magically disappear in states with minimum wage laws? In a state like NC, when you raise minimum wage laws it's just as likely to make people more reliant on tips b/c the cost of living will go up, etc.

That was more a sarcastic swipe from a tourist who didn't like being forced to tip. I'm not an economist at all and could only answer that minimum wage works alright here. Allows us to choose when to tip

Same here in Austria. I'm not sure if the credit should go to culture difference or higher minimum wage but European servers do not expect a substantial tip and can survive without them anyways thanks to a livable wage. When I first moved from the US to the EU I was still tipping 10% for the first few months out of habit, servers acted like I was the most generous dude ever.

[PG13]

The Panthers have not issued a statement yet. Is everyone on vacation?

[HornetJail]

The law will be repealed, there is simply so much negative attraction NC is getting from all over the place for any sane governor/congress not to overturn it.

Then again, I think a sane governor wouldn't have allowed this entire situation to occur.

[Cheeze]

The rhetoric over this is beyond what the topic is worth. If the NBA takes the ASG away from Charlotte, then they're boxing themselves in to whatever the political climate is at the time. NC has already chosen its political path and are apparently okay with the consequences. Meanwhile, the earth continues to turn and people continue to take a crap wherever the want.

[yosemiteben]

Interesting development - NC AG Roy Cooper will not defend state in HB2 challenge

[Cheeze]

It's all about the benjamins. And bullying. And political leverage. And labeling people as haters. Fall on the left and you hate God. Fall on the right and you hate gays. There's entirely too much anger going on here.

The rhetoric of this is beneath the dignity of the State of North Carolina.

[Bassman]

I oppose the tyranny of the left, and this is just that. They use "agenda" to drive everything, and scare high visibility companies into adopting the most extreme positions for the sake of not offending anyone. It started with Disney, has proliferated with new tech companies (Google, Apple, etc.) and now the sports leagues are scared into political correctness at every turn.

[LofJ]

Wanting to protect LGBT people from employment and other forms of discrimination sure is extreme. Those damn leftists wanting to create a more equitable world where the law ensures that everyone is treated fairly. Seriously what kind of effed up agenda seeks to achieve that?

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

I'm pretty sympathetic to the trans folks on the bathroom issue after knowing a few. I don't really mind that other folks have a far different reaction, though. Personally I get why people would think differently on this. I liked the Charlotte law. Had the state overridden just that one thing I might have been a bit annoyed, but I wouldn't have worried about it in any sort of major way.

However what the state did went WAY beyond striking down one Charlotte ordinance and way past preempting any any sort of LGBT action. The NC law is very broad in scope and affects all sorts of people. My personal view is that some folks at the state level used the cover of what looks like a "bathroom issue" to put into effect something that's far far more than that. If you oppose the bathroom thing, that's fine and I can respect that. But this law isn't really about that. The bathroom thing is only a small part of what our legislature did "for" us and the other areas of the law will have far more impact over time.

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article68855517.html

[yosemiteben]

Hey ATL, might want to get this sorted out first - http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/22/news/companies/atlanta-super-bowl-gay-rights-law/

[LofJ]

That's pretty damn hypocritical and underhanded coming from Atlanta. As a city they're in the exact same situation Charlotte is in.