Suns at Sacramento

[Qwigglez]

Dang if Booker got another 27/5 game he would have been the only teenager to ever get 4 of those.

[King4Day]

Hard to see Archie getting an extension from us if he's the last guard in this rotation.

Agreed. I think he'll be part of any trade we make next.

[JMac1]

Booker had a poor start (9 turnovers 5 of 14), but now has 26 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists.

That's Westbrook as a finished product every other week, and Booker has 8 years on him.

I like the stat line, but it wasn't within the flow of the game.

[saintEscaton]

GG.

[GMATCallahan]

Is Archie signed through next year?

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Yes, the Suns picked up Goodwin's fourth-year option, along with Len's, prior to the start of this season.

http://arizonasports.com/story/427283/suns-contract-options-tj-warren-alex-len-archie-goodwin/

[bwgood77]

Kings fans are probably not happy...they are in the 7th worst spot, and 7-11 is only separated by a game and a half...but only a game prior to their win tonight.

[saintEscaton]

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[GMATCallahan]

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Some of his drives were beautiful. With Booker's ball-handling ability, which seems better than people expected, he could develop a James Harden-type game in addition to a Klay Thompson-type game. Granted, I am not saying that Booker will become a hybrid of James Harden and Klay Thompson, but he is a more versatile offensive player than commonly imagined.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Bad news for Monta Ellis, Devin Booker actually does have it all.

[jcsunsfan]

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Some of his drives were beautiful. With Booker's ball-handling ability, which seems better than people expected, he could develop a James Harden-type game in addition to a Klay Thompson-type game. Granted, I am not saying that Booker will become a hybrid of James Harden and Klay Thompson, but he is a more versatile offensive player than commonly imagined.

He can go to the rim, shoot the midrange as well as the long three (30 footer). He is also extremely quick (cat like), and is an excellent passer. All the kid needs now is defense.


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[SSOL]

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Some of his drives were beautiful. With Booker's ball-handling ability, which seems better than people expected, he could develop a James Harden-type game in addition to a Klay Thompson-type game. Granted, I am not saying that Booker will become a hybrid of James Harden and Klay Thompson, but he is a more versatile offensive player than commonly imagined.

He can go to the rim, shoot the midrange as well as the long three (30 footer). He is also extremely quick (cat like), and is an excellent passer. All the kid needs now is defense.


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He needs a lot more than that. He has the raw talent to be a super star. Not just a star. But to get there he has to improve a great deal. I have all the confidence in the world that he will put it together and four year from now we will be talking about the franchise's next great player. But his nine turnovers last night are evidence of the road ahead.

[Mulhollanddrive]

In the off-season every rookie is touted as the next top 50 GOAT.

[Jdiddy701]

Some of his drives were beautiful. With Booker's ball-handling ability, which seems better than people expected, he could develop a James Harden-type game in addition to a Klay Thompson-type game. Granted, I am not saying that Booker will become a hybrid of James Harden and Klay Thompson, but he is a more versatile offensive player than commonly imagined.

He can go to the rim, shoot the midrange as well as the long three (30 footer). He is also extremely quick (cat like), and is an excellent passer. All the kid needs now is defense.


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He needs a lot more than that. He has the raw talent to be a super star. Not just a star. But to get there he has to improve a great deal. I have all the confidence in the world that he will put it together and four year from now we will be talking about the franchise's next great player. But his nine turnovers last night are evidence of the road ahead.

I think you're overreacting on the turnovers from last night. I don't have his real numbers in front of me but his assists/ratio has to be good. Didn't he have multiple 10asts without a turnover? He also played with a bunch of bums last night which didn't help. Let's not forget he's a rookie.

Booker is the man.


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[jcsunsfan]

Some of his drives were beautiful. With Booker's ball-handling ability, which seems better than people expected, he could develop a James Harden-type game in addition to a Klay Thompson-type game. Granted, I am not saying that Booker will become a hybrid of James Harden and Klay Thompson, but he is a more versatile offensive player than commonly imagined.

He can go to the rim, shoot the midrange as well as the long three (30 footer). He is also extremely quick (cat like), and is an excellent passer. All the kid needs now is defense.


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He needs a lot more than that. He has the raw talent to be a super star. Not just a star. But to get there he has to improve a great deal. I have all the confidence in the world that he will put it together and four year from now we will be talking about the franchise's next great player. But his nine turnovers last night are evidence of the road ahead.

Four years? Jeez, where have you been? We are talking about that now. Steve Nash had double digit turnover games in his MVP years. 9 turnovers is just and example of a pg trying to carry a team.

[SSOL]

He can go to the rim, shoot the midrange as well as the long three (30 footer). He is also extremely quick (cat like), and is an excellent passer. All the kid needs now is defense.


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He needs a lot more than that. He has the raw talent to be a super star. Not just a star. But to get there he has to improve a great deal. I have all the confidence in the world that he will put it together and four year from now we will be talking about the franchise's next great player. But his nine turnovers last night are evidence of the road ahead.

Four years? Jeez, where have you been? We are talking about that now. Steve Nash had double digit turnover games in his MVP years. 9 turnovers is just and example of a pg trying to carry a team.

Where have I been? Watching games. Have you? If you think he is going to be a superstar before he is even 23, you are putting too much pressure on him. And please do not compare his turnovers to Nash's. Nash took risks with passes that people either were not ready for or didn't even know were there. In two of Nash's three games during his MVP seasons where he had 9 or more turnovers, he had 18 and 15 assists. Booker flat out lost the ball off a dribble or threw the ball out of bounds last night. I love the kid, he can be special. He isn't there yet. And he shouldn't be.

[bwgood77]

He needs a lot more than that. He has the raw talent to be a super star. Not just a star. But to get there he has to improve a great deal. I have all the confidence in the world that he will put it together and four year from now we will be talking about the franchise's next great player. But his nine turnovers last night are evidence of the road ahead.

Four years? Jeez, where have you been? We are talking about that now. Steve Nash had double digit turnover games in his MVP years. 9 turnovers is just and example of a pg trying to carry a team.

Where have I been? Watching games. Have you? If you think he is going to be a superstar before he is even 23, you are putting too much pressure on him. And please do not compare his turnovers to Nash's. Nash took risks with passes that people either were not ready for or didn't even know were there. In two of Nash's three games during his MVP seasons where he had 9 or more turnovers, he had 18 and 15 assists. Booker flat out lost the ball off a dribble or threw the ball out of bounds last night. I love the kid, he can be special. He isn't there yet. And he shouldn't be.

Yeah, the kid is young. He will need time, but I love how special he has looked at times already. Just curious because I didn't watch much of the game last night, did WCS guard him much? I remember reading in the thread that he was at least guarding him at some point, and having played together at Kentucky, and going against each other in practice and stuff, he probably had a little more insight on how to fluster him. However I guess if he was just losing the ball off the dribble and throwing out of bounds that wouldn't explain it.

I also wonder if not playing with the overall veteran presence and/or leadership with Chandler out there leaves him with a little less confidence. Juts more pressure playing with more of a mish mash unit suddenly.

I'm glad Chandler and Knight are sitting. I think even if they are/were not injured, that it is easily justifiable not to play them just due to risk of injury in meaningless games and getting a look at some of the other end of rotation guys for how to plan for next year.

[MathiasPW]

Four years? Jeez, where have you been? We are talking about that now. Steve Nash had double digit turnover games in his MVP years. 9 turnovers is just and example of a pg trying to carry a team.

Where have I been? Watching games. Have you? If you think he is going to be a superstar before he is even 23, you are putting too much pressure on him. And please do not compare his turnovers to Nash's. Nash took risks with passes that people either were not ready for or didn't even know were there. In two of Nash's three games during his MVP seasons where he had 9 or more turnovers, he had 18 and 15 assists. Booker flat out lost the ball off a dribble or threw the ball out of bounds last night. I love the kid, he can be special. He isn't there yet. And he shouldn't be.

Yeah, the kid is young. He will need time, but I love how special he has looked at times already. Just curious because I didn't watch much of the game last night, did WCS guard him much? I remember reading in the thread that he was at least guarding him at some point, and having played together at Kentucky, and going against each other in practice and stuff, he probably had a little more insight on how to fluster him. However I guess if he was just losing the ball off the dribble and throwing out of bounds that wouldn't explain it.

I also wonder if not playing with the overall veteran presence and/or leadership with Chandler out there leaves him with a little less confidence. Juts more pressure playing with more of a mish mash unit suddenly.

I'm glad Chandler and Knight are sitting. I think even if they are/were not injured, that it is easily justifiable not to play them just due to risk of injury in meaningless games and getting a look at some of the other end of rotation guys for how to plan for next year.

He was mostly guarded by Rondo, who is a very good defender. He got double teamed and trapped a lot, and the Kings gambled ALL the time. It worked. He got frustrated and started missing much more often and carelessly than what we are used to. He picked it up in the second half though.

[jcsunsfan]

He needs a lot more than that. He has the raw talent to be a super star. Not just a star. But to get there he has to improve a great deal. I have all the confidence in the world that he will put it together and four year from now we will be talking about the franchise's next great player. But his nine turnovers last night are evidence of the road ahead.

Four years? Jeez, where have you been? We are talking about that now. Steve Nash had double digit turnover games in his MVP years. 9 turnovers is just and example of a pg trying to carry a team.

Where have I been? Watching games. Have you? If you think he is going to be a superstar before he is even 23, you are putting too much pressure on him. And please do not compare his turnovers to Nash's. Nash took risks with passes that people either were not ready for or didn't even know were there. In two of Nash's three games during his MVP seasons where he had 9 or more turnovers, he had 18 and 15 assists. Booker flat out lost the ball off a dribble or threw the ball out of bounds last night. I love the kid, he can be special. He isn't there yet. And he shouldn't be.

Oh good grief. I am putting pressure on him? What am I, the coach? All I am doing is watching him and enjoying what I see, not nit-picking every negative stat like you are. Nit-picking turnovers is more pressure than enjoying what he is doing. He had a bad first half with turnovers. Then he corrected and had 1 turnover in the second while playing pg against notorious pocket picker Rajon Rondo.

The kid is very good, and thinking its going to take him four years to be star level is silly. Its ignoring what is right in front of you.

[bwgood77]

Where have I been? Watching games. Have you? If you think he is going to be a superstar before he is even 23, you are putting too much pressure on him. And please do not compare his turnovers to Nash's. Nash took risks with passes that people either were not ready for or didn't even know were there. In two of Nash's three games during his MVP seasons where he had 9 or more turnovers, he had 18 and 15 assists. Booker flat out lost the ball off a dribble or threw the ball out of bounds last night. I love the kid, he can be special. He isn't there yet. And he shouldn't be.

Yeah, the kid is young. He will need time, but I love how special he has looked at times already. Just curious because I didn't watch much of the game last night, did WCS guard him much? I remember reading in the thread that he was at least guarding him at some point, and having played together at Kentucky, and going against each other in practice and stuff, he probably had a little more insight on how to fluster him. However I guess if he was just losing the ball off the dribble and throwing out of bounds that wouldn't explain it.

I also wonder if not playing with the overall veteran presence and/or leadership with Chandler out there leaves him with a little less confidence. Juts more pressure playing with more of a mish mash unit suddenly.

I'm glad Chandler and Knight are sitting. I think even if they are/were not injured, that it is easily justifiable not to play them just due to risk of injury in meaningless games and getting a look at some of the other end of rotation guys for how to plan for next year.

He was mostly guarded by Rondo, who is a very good defender. He got double teamed and trapped a lot, and the Kings gambled ALL the time. It worked. He got frustrated and started missing much more often and carelessly than what we are used to. He picked it up in the second half though.

Games like that are good for him. I bet you could find similar games from most guys that became very good players or stars and had high usage as rookies, particularly ones at that age.

[GMATCallahan]

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Some of his drives were beautiful. With Booker's ball-handling ability, which seems better than people expected, he could develop a James Harden-type game in addition to a Klay Thompson-type game. Granted, I am not saying that Booker will become a hybrid of James Harden and Klay Thompson, but he is a more versatile offensive player than commonly imagined.

He can go to the rim, shoot the midrange as well as the long three (30 footer). He is also extremely quick (cat like), and is an excellent passer. All the kid needs now is defense.

Physically or athletically, what stands out to me is Booker's body control and balance. He is not, in my judgment, explosive or blindingly quick, but he really knows how to control his body and maneuver it, which renders him similar to Harden (without the strength or quite as much size). His balance is similar to Klay Thompson's, but he handles the ball much better than Thompson, with his ability to split traps and use in-and-out dribbles to turn the corner being superior to that of most shooting guards. In some of those drives last night, Booker resembled Isaiah Thomas a little in terms of his actions, and Thomas is one of the best ball-handlers in the league.

Booker's body control and balance remind me of Ray Allen to some extent, which is why I analogized Booker to Allen a few weeks ago. Booker does not generate elevation, either on his jump-shot or at the rim, to the same extent as Allen once did—especially in the latter's younger days at the University of Connecticut and with the Milwaukee Bucks—and I am not saying that Booker will necessarily be as good as Allen, but the ability to control one's body generally aids one's ability to be an efficient shooter and scorer. One of the reasons why LeBron James has constituted an up-and-down outside shooter (and even foul shooter) in his career has been a relative lack of body control; he is obviously an incredibly explosive athlete, but body control has not been a particular strength of his.

I used to become somewhat peeved at Jason Kidd for trying to imitate Rex Chapman and shoot these off-balance runners or running jumpers; well, Chapman could do it because he possessed exceptional body control and the ability to square his torso and shoulders even when the lower half of his body was headed in some other direction away from the basket. Steve Nash also possessed the body control to drain unorthodox runners and running jumpers, although not to Chapman's freakish and otherworldly degree. But Kidd did not possess that body control and thus should not have been trying to imitate those types of shots. Then again, he also lacked the body control to replicate Kevin Johnson's textbook, two-footed, up-and-down, vertical consistency of shooting form. And that lack of control helps explain why Kidd struggled as a shooter. (Later in his career, especially with Dallas, Kidd did develop into a dangerous three-point shooter, but only when he could set his feet and catch-and-shoot with a lot of time and space.)

Although his shooting performances have been erratic as a rookie, Booker possesses the kind of body control and balance that portend positively for his future as a shooter. The fact that he can really handle the ball and create in pick-and-roll situations, however, means that he should be able to place pressure on opposing defenses in myriad manners, and his body control helps him there, too, because it allows him to keep his options open off the dribble and maintain an economy of movement. Often times, efficient physical actions lead to efficient numbers. Booker is not there yet in terms of consistently efficient numbers, but he has a lot of time to grow.