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[Riko]

I also still do not get the love for Batum, people say that they want Gallo and Chandler traded as they are too old to fit with the Nuggets core, and yet Batum is older than Gallo. To me he is not a difference maker and is not all that great, he is below average efficiency on scoring, is an average defender, is an average scorer, and the Hornets offense and defense are both slightly worse when he is on the court. Sure he is long and athletic and can pass the ball, but he is not all that great overall.

He's a good all around player and surely an above average defender (he can switch and defend PG, SG, SF).
On offense he is a good passer, high basketball IQ (very good in p&r situation) and he doesn't have (but does not shine) any major lack (average 3%, average middle range, little above the average at the rim)

However he doesn't worth more than 16-18 milion (Gallinari money).

[skywalker33]

I also still do not get the love for Batum, people say that they want Gallo and Chandler traded as they are too old to fit with the Nuggets core, and yet Batum is older than Gallo. To me he is not a difference maker and is not all that great, he is below average efficiency on scoring, is an average defender, is an average scorer, and the Hornets offense and defense are both slightly worse when he is on the court. Sure he is long and athletic and can pass the ball, but he is not all that great overall.

He's a good all around player and surely an above average defender (he can switch and defend PG, SG, SF).
On offense he is a good passer, high basketball IQ (very good in p&r situation) and he doesn't have (but does not shine) any major lack (average 3%, average middle range, little above the average at the rim)

However he doesn't worth more than 16-18 milion (Gallinari money).

FTR, Gallo is 3 mo older than Batum, not that it matters. To me the biggest difference is his health as he has been much healthier than Gallo. Take that out and Gallo is head and shoulders a better player than Batum. Also, Batum isn't going to stop at the $17M mark, his agent WILL ask for the max and some team will step up given the crazy amount of increase in this year's cap money. It didn't help Danillo that he didn't have a WC to back him up and give him rest this year.

[The Rebel]

I also still do not get the love for Batum, people say that they want Gallo and Chandler traded as they are too old to fit with the Nuggets core, and yet Batum is older than Gallo. To me he is not a difference maker and is not all that great, he is below average efficiency on scoring, is an average defender, is an average scorer, and the Hornets offense and defense are both slightly worse when he is on the court. Sure he is long and athletic and can pass the ball, but he is not all that great overall.

He's a good all around player and surely an above average defender (he can switch and defend PG, SG, SF).
On offense he is a good passer, high basketball IQ (very good in p&r situation) and he doesn't have (but does not shine) any major lack (average 3%, average middle range, little above the average at the rim)

However he doesn't worth more than 16-18 milion (Gallinari money).

I have yet to find a stat that shows Batum is an above average defender, and I have never been that impressed watching him. I fully expect Harris to be an above average defender and average offensive player next year, so why waste money on a guy that is literally average?

[NuggetsWY]

I understand where Rebel is coming from. When I suggested Batum, I wasn't suggesting him as a savior or even a starter and certainly not a max contract. I just thought his outside shooting would be welcome. I figured Gallinari & Chandler with Batum behind them especially if they play much stretch-4. I figured Harris starting with Batum & Barton as backups, depending on who has the hot hand that night.

I figure the Nuggets need to spend some money to make the minimum salary, but not a lot. 2017 is the summer where they should consider a star free agent (or two) and by then, the roster will be much clearer than with our current crop of youth plus 2-? more this next year.

[eathb_au]

Personally I'd be okay with maxing Beal or Whiteside. If Philly take Simmons, I'd offer Barton and our picks for Norlean Noel.

[Logan18]

Personally I'd be okay with maxing Beal or Whiteside. If Philly take Simmons, I'd offer Barton and our picks for Norlean Noel.

I actually really like this idea. Noel would fit really well next to Jokic, as they have games that would compliment the other ones weaknesses. Plus the 76ers have a ton of bigs as it is, with Saric coming over next year and possibly drafting Simmons. We would probably only have to give up Barton and one of our mid first rounders.


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[Riko]

I have yet to find a stat that shows Batum is an above average defender, and I have never been that impressed watching him. I fully expect Harris to be an above average defender and average offensive player next year, so why waste money on a guy that is literally average?

Don't look only the stats, look the games and you will see how important is Batum in a team like Charlotte (who, despite a series of really bad individual defender, has overall good stats on defense like team).

Surely he isn't a max player and the Nuggets shouldn't offer him max money but for 16-18 milion (68 milion in 4 years) he is an upgrade to Harris. Like I said I prefer a good PG that can come off the bench and use our bigs and strech four (Lin if we can sign him for reasonable money).

Personally I'd be okay with maxing Beal or Whiteside. If Philly take Simmons, I'd offer Barton and our picks for Norlean Noel.

I actually really like this idea. Noel would fit really well next to Jokic, as they have games that would compliment the other ones weaknesses. Plus the 76ers have a ton of bigs as it is, with Saric coming over next year and possibly drafting Simmons. We would probably only have to give up Barton and one of our mid first rounders.

I don't think that Barton and a mid first rounder is enough for Noel. Maybe they can agree on Barton, Lauvergne and Nugget's top pick in 2016 draft but i am not sure about this either...

[skywalker33]

I have yet to find a stat that shows Batum is an above average defender, and I have never been that impressed watching him. I fully expect Harris to be an above average defender and average offensive player next year, so why waste money on a guy that is literally average?

Don't look only the stats, look the games and you will see how important is Batum in a team like Charlotte (who, despite a series of really bad individual defender, has overall good stats on defense like team).

Surely he isn't a max player and the Nuggets shouldn't offer him max money but for 16-18 milion (68 milion in 4 years) he is an upgrade to Harris. Like I said I prefer a good PG that can come off the bench and use our bigs and strech four (Lin if we can sign him for reasonable money).

Personally I'd be okay with maxing Beal or Whiteside. If Philly take Simmons, I'd offer Barton and our picks for Norlean Noel.

I actually really like this idea. Noel would fit really well next to Jokic, as they have games that would compliment the other ones weaknesses. Plus the 76ers have a ton of bigs as it is, with Saric coming over next year and possibly drafting Simmons. We would probably only have to give up Barton and one of our mid first rounders.

I don't think that Barton and a mid first rounder is enough for Noel. Maybe they can agree on Barton, Lauvergne and Nugget's top pick in 2016 draft but i am not sure about this either...

I wouldn't put our top pick in for Noel, PHI has an over abundance of bigs with Embiid coming back and they're going to have to do something to maintain value. Seems that would be an overpay IMO, but I'm not a big Noel fan unless he at C, which we have two very good prospects already.

[Riko]

I wouldn't put our top pick in for Noel, PHI has an over abundance of bigs with Embiid coming back and they're going to have to do something to maintain value. Seems that would be an overpay IMO, but I'm not a big Noel fan unless he at C, which we have two very good prospects already.

Phila badly needs a winning season that can bring attendence to the games, i'm sure they won't trade Noel for middle first round pick.
And they probably overpay some good player in the summer (Conley, Batum, Barnes, Parsons).

IMHO Noel is a very good defensive center and he shows some light in offensive end.

[skywalker33]

I wouldn't put our top pick in for Noel, PHI has an over abundance of bigs with Embiid coming back and they're going to have to do something to maintain value. Seems that would be an overpay IMO, but I'm not a big Noel fan unless he at C, which we have two very good prospects already.

Phila badly needs a winning season that can bring attendence to the games, i'm sure they won't trade Noel for middle first round pick.
And they probably overpay some good player in the summer (Conley, Batum, Barnes, Parsons).

IMHO Noel is a very good defensive center and he shows some light in offensive end.

I'll take Nurkic over Noel, he shows good defensive potential as well and he's already ours. Noel on this roster is going to take minutes from someone of Jokic/Nurkic.

[RRFB]

Yeah we don't need another center. I'd be open to it if Malone showed more willingness to play Jokic at the 4, but that hasn't been the case. With Jokic/Nurkic/Noel, one of them just ends up wasting away on the bench. I'd much rather bring in more talent at the wing positions.

[eathb_au]

I have Noel being able to play the 4

[Logan18]

Noel is listed as a PF on ESPN, and I believe he's gotten the bulk of his minutes there over the past season. By pairing him with Jokic, it would allow Jokic to only guard centers, as Noel could chase power forwards around the floor. If we plan on playing nurkic and Jokic together more often in the future then there would be no reason to even think about this trade, but I just don't see the two of them being able to consistently play big minutes together.

I can see Noel as a better version of Kenneth Faried (if he continues to develop), as he is an energy type player who can rebound and block some shots. They are both pretty limited on offense as well, so pairing him with Jokic would allow us to mask some of his offensive deficiencies. Playing these two together would open up Joffrey and nurkic to come off of the bench together, something we have seen to be effective.

As for the 76ers not wanting to make that trade, I feel like Barton and a mid first could help them get a scoring guard (their biggest need), and another first round pick. We could also throw Faried in, as he would no longer be needed.


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