Mark Cuban criticizes refs. Fine incoming

Smirkin Dirk · Post #21 » by **Smirkin Dirk** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:05 pm

Manute Lol wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:The moving screen thing is ridiculous.

That rule is poorly enforced all around the NBA. The Warriors just use more screening action than anybody else, so it stands out more when they play.

Ill have to watch for this next time I see them play, but I havent noticed this as an issue.

Manute Lol · Post #22 » by **Manute Lol** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:34 pm

Smirkin Dirk wrote:
Manute Lol wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:The moving screen thing is ridiculous.

That rule is poorly enforced all around the NBA. The Warriors just use more screening action than anybody else, so it stands out more when they play.

Ill have to watch for this next time I see them play, but I havent noticed this as an issue.

This part of the criticism of how the Warriors are officiated is legitimate, in my opinion. It's not unlike how the Seahawks of a couple years ago (and arguably still today) got away with a lot of hand-checking-type plays in the defensive backfield which should be called pass interference by the letter of the rules, but which have been poorly enforced in the NFL. It's not that the Seattle DBs got away with plays that other DBs didn't, it's just that there were more marginal calls in their favor because they played more on the edge of the rules.

The claim that the Warriors draw extra fouls because they're the NBA's golden boys, however, is simply not well supported by facts.

Side beard · Post #23 » by **Side beard** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:44 pm

Xsy wrote:Warriors get HUGE benefits from refs.

It's infuriating. They're already one of the best regular season teams of all time, they really don't need the referee's help.

They do if they want to get that record.

aussiewill · Post #24 » by **aussiewill** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:58 pm

For those commenting on the lack of FT's the Warriors get, I think we can put that down the severe amount 3's they take.

The game was a lot closer than the final score, when Matthews was illegally screened in the dying minutes of the game by Barnes, it would have been a 3 point game with ball to the Mavs. Not saying the outcome would have been different, but it was clearly taking away from minor to none.

It is typical of the NBA, success brings refereeing benefits, particularly in the clutch. The Warriors aren't the first and not the last.

couchie · Post #25 » by **couchie** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:12 pm

Clear ref bias? When curry start getting super star calls like harden, kd etc then I will start considering some sort of ref bias. Scrubs get more calls than Stephen.

NBARocks · Post #26 » by **NBARocks** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:45 pm

Xsy wrote:Warriors get HUGE benefits from refs.

It's infuriating. They're already one of the best regular season teams of all time, they really don't need the referee's help.

they do if the NBA wants them to beat the Bulls record

PizzaSteve · Post #27 » by **PizzaSteve** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:47 pm

Mavis wouldn't win anyway, but I did think the Warriors had favorable treatment tonight by the refs. Kinda did them a favor as Mavs moved outside due to not getting calls inside and went to the 3 ball and were hitting (18/35 from 3).

In balance though, the last two home games are the first two in a long while where I thought the refs helped vs hurt. For several prior games it seemed they wanted to help opponents keep it close (e.g. clips game). All time NBA 3 record. GS also a crazy 21/35 for 3 resulting in 39 made 3s (NBA record).

Post #28 » by **Froob** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:01 pm

It's showed time and time again that criticizing the refs usually helps. The fine is nothing with Cuban's pockets. I think Ainge's complaining is what finally put an end to Dwhistle's run. Phil was the master of this.

Post #29 » by **Froob** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:03 pm

Lord Cuban wrote:If your players complain with the refs about the no foul.... Curry & Thompson will score some 3's in transition

Reminds me of this :lol:

[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ar7-iPN0j9I[/youtube]

Johnny Firpo · Post #30 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:12 pm

couchie wrote:Clear ref bias? When curry start getting super star calls like harden, kd etc then I will start considering some sort of ref bias. Scrubs get more calls than Stephen.

To be honest though, Curry rarely initiates contact like those guys do. He either shoots the three, mid range jumper of floater. Defenders are also hesitant to foul him for obvious reasons (him being the best shooter of all time and a 90% free throw shooter).

RIP Kobe · Post #31 » by **RIP Kobe** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:56 pm

I don't like how the NBA protects these referees from criticism. They make mistakes, and sometimes costly ones.

If anyone else makes a mistake at their job, they're going to hear it from everyone, not just the boss.

Edug27 · Post #32 » by **Edug27** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 4:59 pm

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I'm not a fan of complaining about calls, but there was a lot of swallowed whistles tonight. I Like the Splash Brothers but this Warriors team is being helped by the refs... I'm not saying that the Mavs could have won, but most of these bad calls turned into Warrior 3's.
The Warriors players can Climb in Mavs players like Bogut did and the Mavs player called for travel... There was a lot of no-calls and moving screens in Warriors favor... and they got a lot of friendly calls.

Most really good teams with really good players get really good treatment from the refs.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #33 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:01 pm

I'm not a fan of Cuban, but I do like the fact that he isn't afraid to say that the emperor has no clothes.

bklynstoops · Post #34 » by **bklynstoops** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:21 pm

NBA reffing has been a joke for a long time. It's so geared towards creating superstars and storylines. It's almost WWE worthy. But Cuban should know all this by now. It's about creating marketable product.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #35 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:46 pm

bklynstoops wrote:NBA reffing has been a joke for a long time. It's so geared towards creating superstars and storylines. It's almost WWE worthy. But Cuban should know all this by now. It's about creating marketable product.

I think he does know that and it angers him. It cost his team the 2006 championship. That was the worst officiated series ever.

Post #36 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:56 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
bklynstoops wrote:NBA reffing has been a joke for a long time. It's so geared towards creating superstars and storylines. It's almost WWE worthy. But Cuban should know all this by now. It's about creating marketable product.

I think he does know that and it angers him. It cost his team the 2006 championship. That was the worst officiated series ever.

Meh. It was probably the most over-officiated series rather than the worst. It wasn't like Dirk didn't shoot a billion FT's that playoffs either. This was clearly an emphasis given by the league and to Wade's credit he saw they were going to reward him every time he attacked so he just never stopped. Dallas simply didn't have a player like Wade to do the same thing.

As to last night, the only call I was upset about was Barnes holding up Matthews getting out to Klay when the Mavs had cut it to 3. That was blatant and it killed the Mavs comeback. Almost certainly doesn't change the outcome of the game because Klay/Curry continuing to spit fire was a near certainty--Charlie V and Matthews doing so was absolutely not. Just hate to see them swallow the whistle at such a key moment.

I too like that Cuban is willing to criticize the league, but hate the way he did it here. I wish he would also complain every time Dallas benefited from a bad call. Back when he was paying 7 figures in fines and working at Dairy Queen--he was also getting some things corrected in terms of how officials are judged and the league is better for it. League needs more owners willing to go public when working behind the scenes doesn't work because of the old-guard Stern/Reinsdorf and Co blockade.

doogled · Post #37 » by **doogled** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:57 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
bklynstoops wrote:NBA reffing has been a joke for a long time. It's so geared towards creating superstars and storylines. It's almost WWE worthy. But Cuban should know all this by now. It's about creating marketable product.

I think he does know that and it angers him. It cost his team the 2006 championship. That was the worst officiated series ever.

Sacramento fans would disagree, but that Mavs-Heat series is certainly top 2.

Curry has been getting softer calls around the basket this season, but as others have pointed out, the illegal screen issue is a league wide one that just favors the Warriors style of play. Much like the lack of palming calls favors quicker players (CP3, Wade) or lack of off arm push off fouls favors stronger players (LBJ). You just notice it more when certain players/teams use it more to their advantage

likashing · Post #38 » by **likashing** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:42 pm

Dallas gets the benefit of the whistle much more than the rest of the league.

If anything, he is getting the benefit of these same refs that he thinks are incompetent.

More and more, Cuban has become a whining fan making up stuff on how things aren't fair for his team.

Nowitness · Post #39 » by **Nowitness** » Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:53 pm

There were only really two calls I had an issue with last night (Charlie V 3 and Barnes holding Matthews), but they were clear fouls that game at a really critical time. Doesn't just happen with GS though, you see it all the time, refs need to not completely swallow their whistles late in a game on stuff like that, especially Barnes holding Matthews, that was just not a basketball play, at least Green was contesting the shot.

alebaba · Post #40 » by **alebaba** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:45 am

couchie wrote:Clear ref bias? When curry start getting super star calls like harden, kd etc then I will start considering some sort of ref bias. Scrubs get more calls than Stephen.

Curry rarely drives compare kd and Harden, bruh. He shoot nothing but jumpers. When he do drive, he gets some pretty soft touch call.

That's just how the nba works. We have seen it with the lakers, heat, now its pretty much Gsw turn.