Buddy Hield

[jcsunsfan]

There is a big of age descrimination going on. This is a list of NBA players since 2011 that were drafted at 21 years old or older, not all, just notable.

Klay Thompson, Marcus and Markieff Morris, Kenneth Faried, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas, Damien Lillard, Festus Ezeli, Draymond Green, Victor Oladipo, Cj McCollum, Kelly Olynyck, Georgi Dieng, Rudy Gobert.

[doordoor123]

There is a big of age descrimination going on. This is a list of NBA players since 2011 that were drafted at 21 years old or older, not all, just notable.

Klay Thompson, Marcus and Markieff Morris, Kenneth Faried, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas, Damien Lillard, Festus Ezeli, Draymond Green, Victor Oladipo, Cj McCollum, Kelly Olynyck, Georgi Dieng, Rudy Gobert.

I think the discrimination stems from the idea of upside. Ideally the guys with the most upside are the younger guys, but I think that's only in terms of young guys not knowing how to use their natural gifts. I tend to think older guys with the most skill become the best since they already have the skills and they only need to focus on making those skills even better or focusing on fixing weaknesses. More skilled guys also have a work ethic because they've gotten as skilled as they are from work. Sometimes guys are not as ready because they don't know how they could improve more till they get into the NBA (Jimmy Butler).

[CoreConcept]

There is a big of age descrimination going on. This is a list of NBA players since 2011 that were drafted at 21 years old or older, not all, just notable.

Klay Thompson, Marcus and Markieff Morris, Kenneth Faried, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas, Damien Lillard, Festus Ezeli, Draymond Green, Victor Oladipo, Cj McCollum, Kelly Olynyck, Georgi Dieng, Rudy Gobert.

This is why it's hard to project Hield. For every one of those guys, there's one of these guys: 4-year players all taken in the lottery in the last 10 or so years.

Tyler Zeller, Adreian Payne, McDermott maybe but he's getting better, Jimmer Fredette, Terrence Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Jason Thompson, Acie Law, Al Thornton, Sheldon Williams, Hilton Armstrong, Martell Webster, Rafael Araujo, Luke Jackson

[Zombiesonics]

The difference between hield and green is that draymond was a two way player at msu and also a point forward ; simply put his versatility was apparent.

hield plays like Jodie Meeks . Who was a beast in college . I would take him 15-22.

I honestly can't believe some of these comps, Ray Allen ? Chris mullin? Wow

[I_Like_Dirt]

This is why it's hard to project Hield. For every one of those guys, there's one of these guys: 4-year players all taken in the lottery in the last 10 or so years.

Tyler Zeller, Adreian Payne, McDermott maybe but he's getting better, Jimmer Fredette, Terrence Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Jason Thompson, Acie Law, Al Thornton, Sheldon Williams, Hilton Armstrong, Martell Webster, Rafael Araujo, Luke Jackson

Personally, I've noticed a slight change in trends in the draft lately. Generally speaking, less scouted areas tend to be where teams get the best steals. International players are sort of a constant throughout this all, not because they're amazing prospects, but they tend to be far more boom or bust, with lots of steals, because of a lower quality of scouting overall. Back when high school players were eligible, they represented a great way to get value, usually, and then small schools started becoming a pretty strong way to get value later in the draft because teams like Charlotte would just draft all the guys, young or old, from big name schools with strong performances in March Madness in the lottery.

Now, though, there is definitely a trend towards older players as steals. It's sort of odd given how regularly older players tend to bust in the lottery, but seriously, looking back at college players that surprised, based on their draft position and the players taken around them, after the lottery in the draft over the last 5 years and you see a pretty clear pattern (keep in mind, there are international guys who also surprised).

2014 - Hood, Clarkson, Powell, maybe Anderson if he ever gets playing time
2013 - Dieng, Plumlee, Crabbe
2012 - Sullinger, Crowder, Green, Middleton, Barton
2011 - Leonard, Vucevic, Harris, Faried, Jackson, Joseph, Butler, Parsons, Thomas
2010 - Sanders (he was good before he decided he liked money more than basketball), Bledsoe, Bradley, Vasquez, Whiteside

I haven't included 2015 since it's far too early to tell at this point, although it certainly looks like there are quite a few very good seniors and juniors taken later, too, and to be honest, it's probably a little too early to tell on 2014 and 2013, so there is definitely a margin for error on my assessment here, but you basically have to go back to 2010 to find a draft where there were more freshmen and sophs who surprised outside the lottery than seniors and juniors.

I'm not sure what this means for Hield specifically, since he's going to go in the lottery, but that arbitrary line really doesn't mean anything specifically. I do think that even a lot of NBA teams have trouble identifying the potential of older players, often grabbing guys who have no business being drafted early on, although I'd suggest that this has to do with worse scouting/drafting teams tending to have higher picks more often because they have worse players because they draft worse, so they invariably get the wrong guy there, whereas the younger players drafted so early are usually pretty obvious or they'd go later on. Hield could very well be Jodie Meeks 2.0. Really tough to say. I still think I seem more Michael Redd than Jodie Meeks in his game, but time will tell. I do expect that Hield is going to be a bit overdrafted this year, though, because he fits the bill as a senior from a top NCAA team that is having a bigtime tournament performance, so unless he becomes an allstar, he's likely going to go ahead of guys who wind up better than him, sort of like WCS last season.

[pelifan]

There is a big of age descrimination going on. This is a list of NBA players since 2011 that were drafted at 21 years old or older, not all, just notable.

Klay Thompson, Marcus and Markieff Morris, Kenneth Faried, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas, Damien Lillard, Festus Ezeli, Draymond Green, Victor Oladipo, Cj McCollum, Kelly Olynyck, Georgi Dieng, Rudy Gobert.

This is why it's hard to project Hield. For every one of those guys, there's one of these guys: 4-year players all taken in the lottery in the last 10 or so years.

Tyler Zeller, Adreian Payne, McDermott maybe but he's getting better, Jimmer Fredette, Terrence Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Jason Thompson, Acie Law, Al Thornton, Sheldon Williams, Hilton Armstrong, Martell Webster, Rafael Araujo, Luke Jackson

That list features a lot of bigmen though. As opposed to the one above which is mainly filled with guards.

[JMac1]

But, but, he is too old. Just a geriatric playing against kids, he can't make it at the next level. Reminds me of Steph Curry, I knew he was too small too slow and lightening it up against lesser competition in college, glad we didn't select him.


Signed

most college scouts and Minnesota Timberwolves

[pelifan]

What's kind of amazing is OU doesn't really run any plays for Hield. I mean I think you would do some Curry stuff with a guy like that. Shooting has been great. He's been really turnover prone and ineffective as a ballhandler/perpetrator vs Oregon so far.

[JMac1]

What's kind of amazing is OU doesn't really run any plays for Hield. I mean I think you would do some Curry stuff with a guy like that. Shooting has been great. He's been really turnover prone and ineffective as a ballhandler/perpetrator vs Oregon so far.

He is very effective as a basketball player.

[H2tObes]

What's kind of amazing is OU doesn't really run any plays for Hield. I mean I think you would do some Curry stuff with a guy like that. Shooting has been great. He's been really turnover prone and ineffective as a ballhandler/perpetrator vs Oregon so far.

That's the wonderful part about him, he slides into any offense like a glove. Just a super efficient basketball player with an amazing work ethic. He is a decent enough ballhandler, it's not really a weakness

Wouldn't be surprised if he goes #3 at this point

[Gus McCrae]

With the #2 pick of the NBA draft the Los Angeles Lakers select.... Buddy Hield. Now repent and be Hield!!!!!

[Dr Positivity]

He could almost be the #1 pick at this point

[JMac1]

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[Prez]

Just a sick talent. Man. He's gonna contribute from day 1 in the league, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's an all star in a few years.

[pelifan]

What's kind of amazing is OU doesn't really run any plays for Hield. I mean I think you would do some Curry stuff with a guy like that. Shooting has been great. He's been really turnover prone and ineffective as a ballhandler/perpetrator vs Oregon so far.

That's the wonderful part about him, he slides into any offense like a glove. Just a super efficient basketball player with an amazing work ethic. He is a decent enough ballhandler, it's not really a weakness

Wouldn't be surprised if he goes #3 at this point

No I agree. He is underrated as a ballhandler and athlete. But I would be surprised if he went 3 unless a team outside the top 5 gets that spot. Minny has a better fit with Bender at 3, Phoenix and the Lakers have Booker and Russell. Boston has tons of guards as well.

[Gus McCrae]

He could almost be the #1 pick at this point

I don't watch much college ball outside the tournament which is why I don't really post I this forum but what I've seen in the tournament and several games during the regular season looks way better than Ingram. Just haven't seen Simmons and everything I've read has him as someone you can't pass on with #1.

I just love how Hield doesn't need to dominate usage and can flat out score that seems so valuable to me to construct a great team. I'm not a fan of the ball dominant player who everything runs through ala Lebron/Harden/CP3 because it seems offenses fall apart when they sit or miss time. My understanding is Simmons is this kind of player.

[NuggetsWY]

And all those who were putting Hield down can now line up and confess their sins. For penance, ...

[yitur]

With the #2 pick of the NBA draft the Los Angeles Lakers select.... Buddy Hield. Now repent and be Hield!!!!!

I want this so badly!

[dorkestra]

There is a big of age descrimination going on. This is a list of NBA players since 2011 that were drafted at 21 years old or older, not all, just notable.

Klay Thompson, Marcus and Markieff Morris, Kenneth Faried, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas, Damien Lillard, Festus Ezeli, Draymond Green, Victor Oladipo, Cj McCollum, Kelly Olynyck, Georgi Dieng, Rudy Gobert.

This is why it's hard to project Hield. For every one of those guys, there's one of these guys: 4-year players all taken in the lottery in the last 10 or so years.

Tyler Zeller, Adreian Payne, McDermott maybe but he's getting better, Jimmer Fredette, Terrence Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Jason Thompson, Acie Law, Al Thornton, Sheldon Williams, Hilton Armstrong, Martell Webster, Rafael Araujo, Luke Jackson

Nitpicking, but Martell Webster came straight out of high school.

[EMG518]

There is a big of age descrimination going on. This is a list of NBA players since 2011 that were drafted at 21 years old or older, not all, just notable.

Klay Thompson, Marcus and Markieff Morris, Kenneth Faried, Reggie Jackson, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Isaiah Thomas, Damien Lillard, Festus Ezeli, Draymond Green, Victor Oladipo, Cj McCollum, Kelly Olynyck, Georgi Dieng, Rudy Gobert.

This is why it's hard to project Hield. For every one of those guys, there's one of these guys: 4-year players all taken in the lottery in the last 10 or so years.

Tyler Zeller, Adreian Payne, McDermott maybe but he's getting better, Jimmer Fredette, Terrence Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Jason Thompson, Acie Law, Al Thornton, Sheldon Williams, Hilton Armstrong, Martell Webster, Rafael Araujo, Luke Jackson

Nitpicking, but Martell Webster came straight out of high school.

Definitely nitpicking haha