What is your most telling stat that shows why Orlando doesn't win games?

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #1 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:53 pm

That I have found, Orlando is dead last in free throw rate and FTA per fga.

OrlandoDream · Post #2 » by **OrlandoDream** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:03 pm

It's something you won't find on the box score. Reason we give up leads and end up losing the game is effort and grit. We build a lead, opposing teams make run and for young team with no real veteran voice, we get nervous, get away from what was working and eventually crumble. Doesn't help when you don't have a true go to scorer. Baby steps.

the_hobo · Post #3 » by **the_hobo** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:11 pm

Nicholson MPG < 36

j-ragg · Post #4 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:23 pm

Because the main cog that we force feed the ball to every game, while talented, isn't efficient enough of an offensive player due to his lack of diversity. I think that's #1.

Our supporting cast also doesn't get to the line enough but not quite at the historically awful rate that our #1 option does.

Player fit is also up there, but the team has plenty of talent.

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drsd · Post #5 » by **drsd** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 5:23 pm

What is your most telling stat that shows why Orlando doesn't win games?

Orlando is 20th in the league in points differential and sit as the 20th worst team in the league. As Orlando is "only" 17th worst on defensive scoring, that the team is 21st in points scored is the reason for me Orlando is losing games. For me that is the most telling stat.

TKainZero · Post #6 » by **TKainZero** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:08 pm

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

Because Channing Frye was their best Rim Protector.

OrlChamps2030 · Post #7 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:13 pm

yikes i didnt know magic are literally dead last in FTR. thats a really ugly stat

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #8 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:48 pm

the_hobo wrote:Nicholson MPG < 36

We are 0-1 when he plays 36+ minutes. That loss coming against Philly. Very telling. :wink:

LBPTarHeel27 · Post #9 » by **LBPTarHeel27** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:51 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
the_hobo wrote:Nicholson MPG < 36

We are 0-1 when he plays 36+ minutes. That loss coming against Philly. Very telling.

Further, when he plays 26+ minutes, we are 4-22.

ezzzp · Post #10 » by **ezzzp** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:44 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
the_hobo wrote:Nicholson MPG < 36

We are 0-1 when he plays 36+ minutes. That loss coming against Philly. Very telling.

Further, when he plays 26+ minutes, we are 4-22.

awh....cmon man leave CoLdcUtS alone...he ain't hurt nobody....except BIYOMBO

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk51WukdahA[/youtube]

ezzzp · Post #11 » by **ezzzp** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:02 pm

Average age of the Magic's top 7 players in total minutes played: 22.14
Average age of the Magic's current starting 5: 22.4

MagicFan101 · Post #12 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:26 pm

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:That I have found, Orlando is dead last in free throw rate and FTA per fga.

Our number one problem isn't represented in a box score, but in terms of what can be found in a box score my mind jumped straight to free throws as well.

MagicFan101 · Post #13 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:28 pm

LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
the_hobo wrote:Nicholson MPG < 36

We are 0-1 when he plays 36+ minutes. That loss coming against Philly. Very telling.

Further, when he plays 26+ minutes, we are 4-22.

I'm not a big AN fan, but I think these stats are a bit misleading. He has mostly played in garbage time over his career and given how bad we have been in the seasons he has been with us, we are almost always on the losing end of "garbage time games". So is that really his fault?

MagicStarwipe · Post #14 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:17 pm

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:That I have found, Orlando is dead last in free throw rate and FTA per fga.

Since Vuc has been out we've been 18th in the league in FTA per game. Before he went out we were 30th.

Orlwillbeback · Post #15 » by **Orlwillbeback** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:23 pm

we are not a tough team and every player on the team needs to get stronger and tougher. Gordon and Vucevic is a pretty soft front line. Vooch is just a bitch and Gordon has no lower body strength. All of our players need to hit the weight room and physically mature.

the_hobo · Post #16 » by **the_hobo** » Sun Mar 27, 2016 11:56 pm

ezzzp wrote:
LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
LBPTarHeel27 wrote:
We are 0-1 when he plays 36+ minutes. That loss coming against Philly. Very telling.

Further, when he plays 26+ minutes, we are 4-22.

awh....cmon man leave CoLdcUtS alone...he ain't hurt nobody....except BIYOMBO

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk51WukdahA[/youtube]

And Dieng:
http://www.nba.com/magic/video/teams/magic/2015/12/02/1449020928595-a0fed349-d090-451c-9f8b-a2e831abf7ed.mp4-147535

This play made me stand up. No-one else on the teams done that yet, except Gordon in dunk contest.

KillMonger · Post #17 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 12:05 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:That I have found, Orlando is dead last in free throw rate and FTA per fga.

Since Vuc has been out we've been 18th in the league in FTA per game. Before he went out we were 30th.

all while still losing and worse defense, so many issues with this team

Knightlife · Post #18 » by **Knightlife** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:29 am

Jason Smith's usage rates since the new year:
Jan: 23.3%
Feb: 25.6%
March: 26.8%

Tobias Harris' usage rate before he left town: 17%.
Drops mic.

KillMonger · Post #19 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:40 am

Knightlife wrote:Jason Smith's usage rates since the new year:
Jan: 23.3%
Feb: 25.6%
March: 26.8%

Tobias Harris' usage rate before he left town: 17%.
Drops mic.

ezzzp · Post #20 » by **ezzzp** » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:47 am

Knightlife wrote:Jason Smith's usage rates since the new year:
Jan: 23.3%
Feb: 25.6%
March: 26.8%

Tobias Harris' usage rate before he left town: 17%.
Drops mic.

USG distorts with minutes and you are comparing a 34 mpg guy vs a 15 mpg guy....for example Fournier has a 19% USG....oops better pick that mic back up :wink:

...

...Smith just shoots a lot for a back up center, but in the end he only plays 15 mpg and that mpg is a little bloated because of the increased minutes from Vuc's injury.