"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

[Smitty731]

Hield is Lillard 2.0

I love Hield, but he doesn't have near the handle that Lillard has. Very different players.

[Leprechaun18]

Well considering DA's history, it would be safe to assume that he falls in love with at least one combo quard in this draft. IMO Buddy Hield is most likely to be that guy. Celtics always get the ugly ones or mean looking ones. I just hope that if we do draft another combo guard we trade one of current ones. So the players can get PT to develop.

Do the Celtics take Buddy? Our biggest needs are a non TRex center and another SF. but I would say that if the Nets pick is a top 2 pick we take Simmons/Ingram, otherwise we take Buddy if hes available.

[robbie84]

Wonder if Danny would trade the #2 pick for #3 or #4 plus a stud (ie Okafur+#4 for our #2).

[robbie84]

Hield is Lillard 2.0

I love Hield, but he doesn't have near the handle that Lillard has. Very different players.

I think he means 4 year NCAA player becomes NBA star...not necessarily their game styles

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[return2glory]

Just think about the possibilities of a starting lineup next year of:

SF: Crowder
PF: Durant
C: Horford
SG: Hield
PG: Thomas

Bench: Turner, Bradley, Smart, Sully, KO, Mickey, and two other # 1 picks.

If we get Horford and Hield, there is a good chance Durant comes.

And that chance will have nothing to do with Hield.

I disagree. A player like Durant who is a student of the game will be taking notice of what Hield has been done all year and in the Tourny.

Hield is more NBA ready than Simmons and Ingrid.

It will mostly likely take a top 3 pick to land Hield. If we are able to draft Hield and also land Horford, then that increases the chances of Durant coming here. TD knows we already have an all-star PG, an improving player in Crowder, one of the top 3 coaches in the league.

We are already a playoff team. Adding arguable the best college player this year in Hield and adding an all-star player like Horford makes the Celtics a top 2 team in the East. With KD, we become the best team in the East. I'm not saying we are for sure getting KD, but adding these type of pieces makes it easier for KD to come aboard.

[robbie84]

Just think about the possibilities of a starting lineup next year of:

SF: Crowder
PF: Durant
C: Horford
SG: Hield
PG: Thomas

Bench: Turner, Bradley, Smart, Sully, KO, Mickey, and two other # 1 picks.

If we get Horford and Hield, there is a good chance Durant comes.

And that chance will have nothing to do with Hield.

I disagree. A player like Durant who is a student of the game will be taking notice of what Hield has been done all year and in the Tourny.

Hield is more NBA ready than Simmons and Ingrid.

It will mostly likely take a top 3 pick to land Hield. If we are able to draft Hield and also land Horford, then that increases the chances of Durant coming here. TD knows we already have an all-star PG, an improving player in Crowder, one of the top 3 coaches in the league.

We are already a playoff team. Adding arguable the best college player this year in Hield and adding an all-star player like Horford makes the Celtics a top 2 team in the East. With KD, we become the best team in the East. I'm not saying we are for sure getting KD, but adding these type of pieces makes it easier for KD to come aboard.

Hield never starts over Bradley. Bradley's defense would be more valuable than Hield's offense as a rookie.
Hield's obviously a better offensive player overall, but he's not quite an NBA caliber defender yet.

Having Hield on our team as a rookie as zero impact on Durant's decision to come to Boston or not. Literally zero.
I agree that Hield is awesome though, just not that kind of awesome.

[return2glory]

And that chance will have nothing to do with Hield.

I disagree. A player like Durant who is a student of the game will be taking notice of what Hield has been done all year and in the Tourny.

Hield is more NBA ready than Simmons and Ingrid.

It will mostly likely take a top 3 pick to land Hield. If we are able to draft Hield and also land Horford, then that increases the chances of Durant coming here. TD knows we already have an all-star PG, an improving player in Crowder, one of the top 3 coaches in the league.

We are already a playoff team. Adding arguable the best college player this year in Hield and adding an all-star player like Horford makes the Celtics a top 2 team in the East. With KD, we become the best team in the East. I'm not saying we are for sure getting KD, but adding these type of pieces makes it easier for KD to come aboard.

Hield never starts over Bradley. Bradley's defense would be more valuable than Hield's offense as a rookie.
Hield's obviously a better offensive player overall, but he's not quite an NBA caliber defender yet.

Having Hield on our team as a rookie as zero impact on Durant's decision to come to Boston or not. Literally zero.
I agree that Hield is awesome though, just not that kind of awesome.

Saying Hield will never start over Bradley is your opinion. When I was calling Thomas one of the best PGs in the East most of you were calling Thomas to come off the bench.

Hield will have a chance to be an all-star. Bradley, not so much.

[Leprechaun18]

I think Bradley is close to being an all star. He just needs to improve his offense a bit. I still think that IT needs to come off the bench. Hes great on offense but his D is lacking. Also we will see how fouls are called in the playoffs, because if its harder to get fouls in the playoffs then IT's game is gonna hurt. When the Celtics become true contenders then IT will be a 6th man.

[Yunsen]

If we get the 2nd pick hopefully whoever gets the first takes Ingram because I think Simmons is much better trade bait than him.

[DK-All Day]

No thanks to Buddy. He doesn't have the handle to be more than a spot up shooter as a role player in the NBA. Defenses will expose him in the NBA. He'll be a JJ Reddick type more than a Ray Allen.

Great college player, but people will be dissapointed if you spend a top 10 pick on him.

[Dave_From_NB]

6 points total from Amir and Sully last night, 43 from Thomas/Bradley, Thomas had as many rebounds as either and Smart outrebounded them. Rozier is starting to come along. Thomas/Bradley/Smart/Rozier all under reasonable contracts for some years to come. I really don't see the point of using high picks for hopefully marginal improvement at the guard positions, our starting frontcourt many nights is just horrific. Certainly winning the lottery changes it up, but I'd be happy if the first 5 picks (or consolidations) are all used on guys 6' 10" and above whose positions are C/PF.

[Cornbread]

No thanks to Buddy. He doesn't have the handle to be more than a spot up shooter as a role player in the NBA. Defenses will expose him in the NBA. He'll be a JJ Reddick type more than a Ray Allen.

Great college player, but people will be dissapointed if you spend a top 10 pick on him.

Hield is a lot more than a spot up shooter. He doesn't have the handles to play point, but he has a very effective two step drive and can create separation to pull up. This allows him to create his own shot and makes him extremely difficult to defend.

I see a lot of Pierce in him, except he's obviously smaller. I mentioned the shoulder dip he does to create separation being ver Pierce like, but his two step drive is also a lot like rookie Pierce. Remember: Pierces rookie year he had terrible handles. He worked his butt off that summer and improved.

That will be the key with Hield: Does he have the work ethic to tighten up his handles. I think he does, and that would make him an elite prospect.

[robbie84]

No thanks to Buddy. He doesn't have the handle to be more than a spot up shooter as a role player in the NBA. Defenses will expose him in the NBA. He'll be a JJ Reddick type more than a Ray Allen.

Great college player, but people will be dissapointed if you spend a top 10 pick on him.

You haven't watched enough of him this year.

I posted these in the other draft thread. Good reference point...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w_DVvCmYAQ[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WbCMPWPFmw[/youtube]

[robbie84]

I disagree. A player like Durant who is a student of the game will be taking notice of what Hield has been done all year and in the Tourny.

Hield is more NBA ready than Simmons and Ingrid.

It will mostly likely take a top 3 pick to land Hield. If we are able to draft Hield and also land Horford, then that increases the chances of Durant coming here. TD knows we already have an all-star PG, an improving player in Crowder, one of the top 3 coaches in the league.

We are already a playoff team. Adding arguable the best college player this year in Hield and adding an all-star player like Horford makes the Celtics a top 2 team in the East. With KD, we become the best team in the East. I'm not saying we are for sure getting KD, but adding these type of pieces makes it easier for KD to come aboard.

Hield never starts over Bradley. Bradley's defense would be more valuable than Hield's offense as a rookie.
Hield's obviously a better offensive player overall, but he's not quite an NBA caliber defender yet.

Having Hield on our team as a rookie as zero impact on Durant's decision to come to Boston or not. Literally zero.
I agree that Hield is awesome though, just not that kind of awesome.

Saying Hield will never start over Bradley is your opinion. When I was calling Thomas one of the best PGs in the East most of you were calling Thomas to come off the bench.

Hield will have a chance to be an all-star. Bradley, not so much.

You're saying that:
1) Buddy Hield will start over Avery Bradley next season. This is completely, laughably, wrong.
2) You're also saying Durant would take the drafting of Hield into consideration as Boston being a potential destination. This is just as incorrect.

I agree Hield has All Star potential. But he ain't starting over Avery Bradley as a rookie. His defense isn't good enough.

[Gomes3PC]

Mavs pick is officially in the lottery at this point. 13th pick. If Hield is available in the 8-11 range, I'd be totally happy if the C's traded their own pick + Dallas' and got Hield, particularly if their first pick was a wing/big.

[SmartWentCrazy]

This Hield love is exactly why I've laughed all year long when people called it a "two man draft". Some prospect will always inevitably rise up boards with a hot tournament/ridiculous combine. Happens every year.

[jmr07019]

Wonder if Danny would trade the #2 pick for #3 or #4 plus a stud (ie Okafur+#4 for our #2).

I'd happily trade Simmons for Hield and Okafor. I wouldn't trade Ingram for the same package though.

[mbsnmisc]

I think the New Orleans pick has the possibility to be a pick that could be "had". We all know the Pelicans issues, ( No depth, small market, sketchy ownership/management ). Their management comes from a NFL background, as a general rule they tend to favor quantity over quality. I think an offer of Boston first, Dallas first and Philadelphia second for New Orleans first, (around 7),would get laughed at by most GM's. I am not sure about Demps.

It would be tremendous to get Ingram and Hield or package a top three and another top seven pick with some of our young players for a true star.

Probably wishful thinking, but I don't think it is impossible.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I think the New Orleans pick has the possibility to be a pick that could be "had". We all know the Pelicans issues, ( No depth, small market, sketchy ownership/management ). Their management comes from a NFL background, as a general rule they tend to favor quantity over quality. I think an offer of Boston first, Dallas first and Philadelphia second for New Orleans first, (around 7),would get laughed at by most GM's. I am not sure about Demps.

It would be tremendous to get Ingram and Hield or package a top three and another top seven pick with some of our young players for a true star.

Probably wishful thinking, but I don't think it is impossible.

More likely a deal between Boston and New Orleans would be structured along Asik + 6 for Amir + Dallas + Boston first,
which would be a worthwhile transaction, especially if you could use that New Orleans 6 in a deal for a Star
and save the Brooklyn 4 for a player like Heidl or Dunn or even Criss; Bender if he drops, most likely he's going
somewhere in the Top 3 though. Hmmm, I'd even consider Sabonis at 6th these days.