SVG is Great at Basketball, But

[Arp590]

Our roster isn't that good. SVG is doing an alright job but IMO he does better the better his teams are, at a better rate than others. Give him an average roster and he's an ok coach, give him a good roster and he's a very great coach. Give him a great roster and he's a top coach in the leave.

Look at the team that Stan took to the finals:

Jameer Nelson
Courtney Lee (rookie season)
Hedo Turkoglu
Shard Lewis
Dwight

Now, that doesn't look like a contender, but they played great team ball.

Jameer Nelson - 45% 3pt
Courtney Lee - 40% 3pt
Hedo - 35% 3pt
Rashard - 39.7% 3pt
With a dominant big man in the middle averaging 20 points on 57% FG and his defensive impact used to be insane.

We don't have anywhere near that type of elite shooting surrounding Drummond, his FT% is actually much worse than Howard, and his defensive impact is not anywhere near prime Dwight Howard's. The Magic were a great defensive team.
Playing "great team ball" is easier when guys can make their wide open shots, which the Magic did. We have improved a lot in that regard recently though.

I think our roster will be fine though, as long as KCP can learn to hit the 3 consistently.

[BadMofoPimp]

Our roster isn't that good. SVG is doing an alright job but IMO he does better the better his teams are, at a better rate than others. Give him an average roster and he's an ok coach, give him a good roster and he's a very great coach. Give him a great roster and he's a top coach in the leave.

Look at the team that Stan took to the finals:

Jameer Nelson
Courtney Lee (rookie season)
Hedo Turkoglu
Shard Lewis
Dwight

Now, that doesn't look like a contender, but they played great team ball.

Jameer Nelson - 45% 3pt
Courtney Lee - 40% 3pt
Hedo - 35% 3pt
Rashard - 39.7% 3pt
With a dominant big man in the middle averaging 20 points on 57% FG and his defensive impact used to be insane.

We don't have anywhere near that type of elite shooting surrounding Drummond, his FT% is actually much worse than Howard, and his defensive impact is not anywhere near prime Dwight Howard's. The Magic were a great defensive team.
Playing "great team ball" is easier when guys can make their wide open shots, which the Magic did. We have improved a lot in that regard recently though.

I think our roster will be fine though, as long as KCP can learn to hit the 3 consistently.

Well, they were not as young as Detroits roster. Thus, a few more years of shooting practice and they all may be at that level as well. Stan intends to develop these guys.

[Pharaoh]

Our roster isn't that good. SVG is doing an alright job but IMO he does better the better his teams are, at a better rate than others. Give him an average roster and he's an ok coach, give him a good roster and he's a very great coach. Give him a great roster and he's a top coach in the leave.

Look at the team that Stan took to the finals:

Jameer Nelson
Courtney Lee (rookie season)
Hedo Turkoglu
Shard Lewis
Dwight

Now, that doesn't look like a contender, but they played great team ball.

Jameer Nelson - 45% 3pt
Courtney Lee - 40% 3pt
Hedo - 35% 3pt
Rashard - 39.7% 3pt
With a dominant big man in the middle averaging 20 points on 57% FG and his defensive impact used to be insane.

We don't have anywhere near that type of elite shooting surrounding Drummond, his FT% is actually much worse than Howard, and his defensive impact is not anywhere near prime Dwight Howard's. The Magic were a great defensive team.
Playing "great team ball" is easier when guys can make their wide open shots, which the Magic did. We have improved a lot in that regard recently though.

I think our roster will be fine though, as long as KCP can learn to hit the 3 consistently.

I believe Dwight, Lewis, Hedo & Nelson enjoyed their primes in Orlando...

None of our starters are in their primes. Mook & RJ are currently enjoying their FIRST season as full blown starters FFS

[Arp590]

^Yeah but they're not magically going to become elite 3 point shooters, which is what i'm referring to. Not that it's a big deal because they can do other things well, but they need to at least be decent 3pt shooters.
My point was.. let's not pretend Orlando had a roster of scrubs, they fit really well next to Dwight.

[BadMofoPimp]

^Yeah but they're not magically going to become elite 3 point shooters, which is what i'm referring to. Not that it's a big deal because they can do other things well, but they need to at least be decent 3pt shooters.
My point was.. let's not pretend Orlando had a roster of scrubs, they fit really well next to Dwight.

True, but those Orlando players were 3-5 years older than this roster.

There is a solid posibility after 3-5 years this crew will be hitting 3's at those clips as well if they are motivated and practice hard enough.

Perhaps, SVG is picking up players he can mold into his team concept over a few years.

[BadMofoPimp]

^Yeah but they're not magically going to become elite 3 point shooters, which is what i'm referring to. Not that it's a big deal because they can do other things well, but they need to at least be decent 3pt shooters.
My point was.. let's not pretend Orlando had a roster of scrubs, they fit really well next to Dwight.

Never said they are scrubs. But, as individuals, would you take Hedo or Jameer over Stanley Johnson or Reggie. How about Courtney Lee as a rookie. Even now, I think KCP is better than Lee. Shard was underrated so he was a top defensive player and better than Harris. Same with Dwight.

But, as a team, they played better together than as individuals on other teams. Hence, give the Pistons 2-3 years with this core and I bet we can see similar results.

[Arp590]

^Yeah but they're not magically going to become elite 3 point shooters, which is what i'm referring to. Not that it's a big deal because they can do other things well, but they need to at least be decent 3pt shooters.
My point was.. let's not pretend Orlando had a roster of scrubs, they fit really well next to Dwight.

Never said they are scrubs. But, as individuals, would you take Hedo or Jameer over Stanley Johnson or Reggie. How about Courtney Lee as a rookie. Even now, I think KCP is better than Lee. Shard was underrated so he was a top defensive player and better than Harris. Same with Dwight.

But, as a team, they played better together than as individuals on other teams. Hence, give the Pistons 2-3 years with this core and I bet we can see similar results.

Prime Hedo would actually be a really good fit for this team, but no I wouldn't take him over Stanley.
Basically i'm just saying they were able to play so well as a team because they had 3 starters shooting 40% or higher from 3, leaving Dwight a ton of room to operate in the post. I'm not sure KCP can ever get to 40%, he has actually regressed since last year at 3pt shooting. I'd be happy with 35-36% at this point.

[Pharaoh]

This off-season is where our boys need to work on 3s...

Then we'll see what we see.

And IMO prime Hedo was glorious

[BadMofoPimp]

^Yeah but they're not magically going to become elite 3 point shooters, which is what i'm referring to. Not that it's a big deal because they can do other things well, but they need to at least be decent 3pt shooters.
My point was.. let's not pretend Orlando had a roster of scrubs, they fit really well next to Dwight.

Never said they are scrubs. But, as individuals, would you take Hedo or Jameer over Stanley Johnson or Reggie. How about Courtney Lee as a rookie. Even now, I think KCP is better than Lee. Shard was underrated so he was a top defensive player and better than Harris. Same with Dwight.

But, as a team, they played better together than as individuals on other teams. Hence, give the Pistons 2-3 years with this core and I bet we can see similar results.

Prime Hedo would actually be a really good fit for this team, but no I wouldn't take him over Stanley.
Basically i'm just saying they were able to play so well as a team because they had 3 starters shooting 40% or higher from 3, leaving Dwight a ton of room to operate in the post. I'm not sure KCP can ever get to 40%, he has actually regressed since last year at 3pt shooting. I'd be happy with 35-36% at this point.

Give this crew 2-3 years of developing and I bet they can be at the Magics level of efficiency. People here are just impatient.

[In SVG We Trust]

People want to see us being contenders next year, but, guys, that simply is not gonna happen, so face the reality, our goal right now is to be a good and competitive team, maybe reaching one Finals Conference in the next two years. I think with our core we still got chances of get a ring in the future, but not now and not in the 2 next years at least.

[DeKroit]

SVG is great at basketball, no buts about it.

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Dang, I need SVG to coach my dribbling skills.

[ElectricMayhem]

Give this crew 2-3 years of developing and I bet they can be at the Magics level of efficiency. People here are just impatient.

Impatient? Are not! HEY, I JUST PLANTED SOME SEEDS IN THE GARDEN A WHOLE HOUR AGO, WHERE IS MY SALAD ALREADY???
I'm sorry, where were we?

[BadMofoPimp]

Give this crew 2-3 years of developing and I bet they can be at the Magics level of efficiency. People here are just impatient.

Impatient? Are not! HEY, I JUST PLANTED SOME SEEDS IN THE GARDEN A WHOLE HOUR AGO, WHERE IS MY SALAD ALREADY???
I'm sorry, where were we?

After 6 years of bottom feeding, it takes time to get back on track. I remember the Bad Boys fighting to make playoffs, then lose 1st round, then next year get past 1st round to lose to Boston and so forth. It was a 5-6 year battle to build that team to win that first ship.

[Liqourish]

Give this crew 2-3 years of developing and I bet they can be at the Magics level of efficiency. People here are just impatient.

Impatient? Are not! HEY, I JUST PLANTED SOME SEEDS IN THE GARDEN A WHOLE HOUR AGO, WHERE IS MY SALAD ALREADY???
I'm sorry, where were we?

After 6 years of bottom feeding, it takes time to get back on track. I remember the Bad Boys fighting to make playoffs, then lose 1st round, then next year get past 1st round to lose to Boston and so forth. It was a 5-6 year battle to build that team to win that first ship.

Most are too young to remember or weren't even alive.

[BadMofoPimp]

Impatient? Are not! HEY, I JUST PLANTED SOME SEEDS IN THE GARDEN A WHOLE HOUR AGO, WHERE IS MY SALAD ALREADY???
I'm sorry, where were we?

After 6 years of bottom feeding, it takes time to get back on track. I remember the Bad Boys fighting to make playoffs, then lose 1st round, then next year get past 1st round to lose to Boston and so forth. It was a 5-6 year battle to build that team to win that first ship.

Most are too young to remember or weren't even alive.

Heck, I remember losing to Atlanta with Dominique one year then beating Atlanta the next year just to make it to the next round for the first time. It was a great feeling.

I mean, when you get down to it, Pistons it took in 2 years to overcome Dominique , 2 years to overcome Bird, 2 years to overcome Lakers etc. It was a brutal yet satisfying climb.

[El Chivo]

Go on.
Describe if he will ever be, or if he can, and explain why he's not a good defensive player right now.

He's a presence in the paint, but struggles containing big men with shooting range and doesn't have the motor (and enough fouls to spend) to alter shots with consistency.

Drummond's defense is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

Does Dre struggle to contain bigs with shooting range because he's asked to give up those shots?

LOL

[Pharaoh]

He's a presence in the paint, but struggles containing big men with shooting range and doesn't have the motor (and enough fouls to spend) to alter shots with consistency.

Drummond's defense is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

Does Dre struggle to contain bigs with shooting range because he's asked to give up those shots?

LOL

Really? You bumped this thread for that?

Has it occured to anyone that no NBA player is that stupid that he can't work out he gets torched by the same type of player all the time?

Do you not think NBA players would make the needes adjustment if it was up to them?

Or we're supposed to believe that every big guy that hedges is dumber than a box of hammers?

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