Mavs 2016 Offseason Discussion

[Dirk]

If it were up to me, honestly, I'd give Justin Anderson the starting 3. My dream targets would be Conley and Whiteside, I'm no cap wiz so not sure we could land both, but if our starting lineup next year is the following, I'd be much happier and optimistic than many of the prior seasons:

Whiteside
Dirk
Anderson
Matthews
Conley

Perhaps it's unrealistic and maybe even not feasible, but a guy can dream no? I think that team has offense, defense, rebounding, youth, and athleticism. Round out the bench with FA signings and trades like Barea for McRoberts, and I think you have a team that is not only fun to watch, but will make the playoffs.

I tried to have as much info as possible in the first post so it'd be easier to write about different ideas and scenarios. So in this particular case, Whiteside is on the 25% max tier. His first year salary will be $21.5 million. Conley has been in the league for 9 years and is a 30% max. His first year salary will be $25.8 million. So that makes it $47.3 million for these two, assuming they sign max contracts.

The Mavs will be able to do it by renouncing the likes of Parsons and Zaza. Check the first post, I tried to put a couple of different scenarios for the Mavs cap space. Unless I made a mistake, assuming Dirk opts in, the Mavs would be left with $1.8 million in cap space... they may let McGee go and create another $1.4 million... but he probably is worth having around at that price unless he is a distraction. Powell would be re-signed an take the Mavs over the salary cap, which would then leave them with the $2.9 million room.

[aussiewill]

As much as I happy to give Anderson some more burn, he isn't ready to take the starting gig full time. If we could get Conley and Whiteside with max contracts, then we could end up being thin on the bench and only have the room exception to spend.

Whitside/McGee/Meijri
Dirk/Powell/Evans
Anderson/?/?
Matthews/?/?
Conley/Barea/Harris

If we could sign either for a bit less to fill out the roster that would be more preferable. I don't think Conley is a 20M+ player, even with the cap hike. If we could get him for 4/70 I could live with that.

Still, convincing Deron to opt in at 5M is something I'd rather do as he has been more than serviceable at that cost.

A better defensive anchor (Ezeli or Whiteside fit the mold) and perimeter defence (C Lee) should be our (realistic) scenario.

[daoneandonly]

If it were up to me, honestly, I'd give Justin Anderson the starting 3. My dream targets would be Conley and Whiteside, I'm no cap wiz so not sure we could land both, but if our starting lineup next year is the following, I'd be much happier and optimistic than many of the prior seasons:

Whiteside
Dirk
Anderson
Matthews
Conley

Perhaps it's unrealistic and maybe even not feasible, but a guy can dream no? I think that team has offense, defense, rebounding, youth, and athleticism. Round out the bench with FA signings and trades like Barea for McRoberts, and I think you have a team that is not only fun to watch, but will make the playoffs.

I tried to have as much info as possible in the first post so it'd be easier to write about different ideas and scenarios. So in this particular case, Whiteside is on the 25% max tier. His first year salary will be $21.5 million. Conley has been in the league for 9 years and is a 30% max. His first year salary will be $25.8 million. So that makes it $47.3 million for these two, assuming they sign max contracts.

The Mavs will be able to do it by renouncing the likes of Parsons and Zaza. Check the first post, I tried to put a couple of different scenarios for the Mavs cap space. Unless I made a mistake, assuming Dirk opts in, the Mavs would be left with $1.8 million in cap space... they may let McGee go and create another $1.4 million... but he probably is worth having around at that price unless he is a distraction. Powell would be re-signed an take the Mavs over the salary cap, which would then leave them with the $2.9 million room.

Thanks for doing such a great job on that, very well done and useful. One question I'm not sure of, what exactly is the difference renouncing versus the player opting out and signing with another team? Does it have to do with bird rights?

[daoneandonly]

As much as I happy to give Anderson some more burn, he isn't ready to take the starting gig full time. If we could get Conley and Whiteside with max contracts, then we could end up being thin on the bench and only have the room exception to spend.

Whitside/McGee/Meijri
Dirk/Powell/Evans
Anderson/?/?
Matthews/?/?
Conley/Barea/Harris

If we could sign either for a bit less to fill out the roster that would be more preferable. I don't think Conley is a 20M+ player, even with the cap hike. If we could get him for 4/70 I could live with that.

Still, convincing Deron to opt in at 5M is something I'd rather do as he has been more than serviceable at that cost.

A better defensive anchor (Ezeli or Whiteside fit the mold) and perimeter defence (C Lee) should be our (realistic) scenario.

I can understand that, and your idea on the money would be awesome if possible. I'd also love to dump one of Harris or Barea, I think having them both with a old midget lover like Carlisle is just dangerous. Maybe Barea for McRoberts or Barea or Ajinca. I'd also let McGee go, yes he makes pennies comparatively, but he doesn't seem to crack any time and he has been a well known knucklehead in the past, so i wouldn't want that around Whiteside for pure osmosis reasons. I'd look to shore up the bench with maybe an Evans for Dwindiddle swap (if Det would do that), purely because Spencer is a big pg, so with RC's love for trotting multiple pg's out at once, that would lessen the defensive/rebounding strain with him being 6'6'', plus he's young. Maybe sign Tayshaun Prince to whatever minimum deal, draft a 2 in the second round. Bid farewell to Charlie cause he straight sucks, and let Parsons, D-Will, Felton, and Zaza pursue other options

Whiteside/McRoberts or Ajinca/Mejri
Nowitzki/Powell
Anderson/Prince
Matthew/FA? Or harris Dwindiddle can also fill the gap/Brogdon(UVA) or Selden(Kansas)
Conley/Harris/Dwindiddle

Not a championship team, but much more exciting to watch and can make some noise IMO.

[Dirk]

One question I'm not sure of, what exactly is the difference renouncing versus the player opting out and signing with another team? Does it have to do with bird rights?

Yes. All free agents have cap holds. Looking at the Parsons situation for instance.

He opts out. His cap hold will be $19.6 million.

The biggest difference in the Parsons situation is that by carrying his cap hold, we'd be able to use the cap space to sign other players and then sign him last and be able to go over the cap. By renouncing him, the Mavs would gain cap space($19.6 million), but would lose the ability to re-sign him with the early bird rights exception.

On top of that, by having his early bird rights, the Mavs can offer him a 4 year contract with raises up to 7.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract. Other teams can offer him a 4 year contract, but only with raises up to 4.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract.

By carrying Parsons cap hold and renouncing Zaza(and everyone else), the Mavs would have about $30 million in cap space. They'd be able to sign Whiteside, $21.5 million. That would leave about $8.5 million. And the question would be: 29 year old Conley for $91 million/4 yrs or 32 year old Williams for let's say $24 million / 3 yrs? And of course, the Mavs would be able to retain Parsons under this scenario.

[Captain_Obvious]

I think the challenges for next season will be to rebalance the Mavs s.t. we can play more small ball, a lot of switching and mobility on defense, and a lot of shooting and penetration on offense. I don't think they want to go the low post up route outside of Dirk.

Dirk will probably see more time at center but he will not be able to hold off the likes of Howard, Whiteside, DJ. But he will be too slow to play at the 4 full time. I think he may look at a super-sub role.

You know, the Warriors have a lot of success having a small forward playing at PF. If you compare the measurements and weights of Anderson and Green, its fairly close. Anderson can rebound good enough to make him an option there.

How about this:

Whiteside or Dwight/Dirk/Mejri
Anderson/Dirk/Powell
Matthews/Matt Barnes
Beal/Harris
Williams/Barea

Beal can be stolen IMO because of his health concerns. We won't be able to play him more than 30 mpg.

If we cannot get Beal, I would think really hard about J.R. Smith and Kent Bazemore, but then Matt Barnes would add too much to the crazy factor.

Parsons absolutely needs to go IMO.

[daoneandonly]

One more question, could the Mavs theoretically S&T Parsons for Whiteside and still have enough cap room to sign another max or near max player this offseason?

On the heat side, if they do so, could they also sign Dwight? I guess the incentive for them being Parsosn and Dwight being a package deal at the expense of losing Hassan.

[Dirk]

One more question, could the Mavs theoretically S&T Parsons for Whiteside and still have enough cap room to sign another max or near max player this offseason?

On the heat side, if they do so, could they also sign Dwight? I guess the incentive for them being Parsosn and Dwight being a package deal at the expense of losing Hassan.

If you look at Miami's salary for next year, they have about $50 million committed for next season. That leaves them with $42 million in cap space.

They only have early bird rights on Whiteside, but they are basically useless since, considering that he was on the minimum, the most they can sign him to using that exception is 104.5% of the average salary in the previous season. Whiteside will be commanding much more. So for that reason, Miami will have to sign him with cap space and, like every other team, at a starting salary that will surely be about 18-21 million.

There's no incentive to do a sign & trade. Out of the cap space they will have available, $42 million, they would have to fit Howard/Parsons and... don't forget Wade, who is also a free agent... who would have to take a big pay cut to make this happen or any other "dream" scenarios happen.

[daoneandonly]

One more question, could the Mavs theoretically S&T Parsons for Whiteside and still have enough cap room to sign another max or near max player this offseason?

On the heat side, if they do so, could they also sign Dwight? I guess the incentive for them being Parsosn and Dwight being a package deal at the expense of losing Hassan.

If you look at Miami's salary for next year, they have about $50 million committed for next season. That leaves them with $42 million in cap space.

They only have early bird rights on Whiteside, but they are basically useless since, considering that he was on the minimum, the most they can sign him to using that exception is 104.5% of the average salary in the previous season. Whiteside will be commanding much more. So for that reason, Miami will have to sign him with cap space and, like every other team, at a starting salary that will surely be about 18-21 million.

There's no incentive to do a sign & trade. Out of the cap space they will have available, $42 million, they would have to fit Howard/Parsons and... don't forget Wade, who is also a free agent... who would have to take a big pay cut to make this happen or any other "dream" scenarios happen.

Good to know as I continue to dream about the offseason, so scratch Miami, if there is a team out there that would do a sign & trade for parsons, can we still sign another max guy? Apologies for my ignorance on the CBA

[Dirk]

Good to know as I continue to dream about the offseason, so scratch Miami, if there is a team out there that would do a sign & trade for parsons, can we still sign another max guy? Apologies for my ignorance on the CBA

A sign-and-trade doesn't give you more cap space to sign free agents. With the new CBA, there's less incentive for teams/players to seek sign-and-trades.

The Mavs can sign two max players, it just requires them to renounce their free agents(Parsons, Pachulia). They can have as much as $58 million in cap space if Dirk opts out.

[daoneandonly]

Gotcha, unfortunately they won't renounce Parsons (I would ina heatbeat) as Cuban seems to think he's a valuable piece

[Pointguard01]

Mike Conley should be the big target for Dallas. If you can also add a center and resign Zaza to be he backup, I think you have a very solid team. Joakim Noah would be great if he could stay healthy, which is unlikely. I would also be ok with Timofey Mozgov. Of course Festus Ezeli would be top of the list realistically but trying not to aim our arrows too high. If we could get Conley, I would be fine with a lower level center to help Zaza downlow. Everyone is going to be targeting Festus Ezeli.

G- Mike Conley (32) | JJ Barea (16)
G- Wesley Matthews (28) | Devin Harris (20)
F- Chandler Parsons (14) | Justin Anderson (28) | Wesley Matthews (6)
F- Dirk Nowitzki (28) | Chandler Parsons (20)
C- Timofey Mozgov (24)| Zaza Pachulia (24)

[Dirk]

Mike Conley should be the big target for Dallas. If you can also add a center and resign Zaza to be he backup, I think you have a very solid team. Joakim Noah would be great if he could stay healthy, which is unlikely. I would also be ok with Timofey Mozgov. Of course Festus Ezeli would be top of the list realistically but trying not to aim our arrows too high. If we could get Conley, I would be fine with a lower level center to help Zaza downlow. Everyone is going to be targeting Festus Ezeli.

G- Mike Conley (32) | JJ Barea (16)
G- Wesley Matthews (28) | Devin Harris (20)
F- Chandler Parsons (14) | Justin Anderson (28) | Wesley Matthews (6)
F- Dirk Nowitzki (28) | Chandler Parsons (20)
C- Timofey Mozgov (24)| Zaza Pachulia (24)

Conley $20-25 million
Parsons $18-20 million
Mozgov $12-15 million
Pachulia $8-10 million

The Mavs can't fit them them all under the cap. Under that scenario, the Mavs would let go of Pachulia and then you'd have Mejri/McGee as backups.

[fuller4379]

Parsons can go for all I care. Even when he was playing good, the Mavs were not winning. They actually played better after his season ending injury.

[daoneandonly]

Parsons can go for all I care. Even when he was playing good, the Mavs were not winning. They actually played better after his season ending injury.

Which I think many of us actually foresaw. I agree completely he needs to go, and I hope Cuban cna put his man love aside and let Parsosn go to orl or NY or wherever his heart desires. I truly believe our biggest target should be Conley and Whiteside, if we can get both by renouncing all of our FA (including parsons), do it. Justin Anderson cna be a damn fine SF with that lineup. Heck, if we can't get Whiteside, go for Ezeil, I think Conley is that much an upgrade over D-Will and Anderson just gits better than parsons.

[Lord Cuban]

The NBA is projecting their salary cap for the 16-17 as $92 million per a memo sent to league executives.

[titantron91]

I've been feeling bad about my Mavs recently so I need an outlet.

Is there anyway we can do this next offseason?

Out: Chandler Parsons, Wes Matthews, Zaza Pachulia, Deron Williams, David Lee, JaVale McGee, Justin Anderson
In: Evan Fournier, Harrison Barnes, Hassan Whiteside

TEAM
PG: Felton/Harris
SG: Fournier
SF: H. Barnes
PF: Nowitzki
C: Whiteside

I'd jizz all over when this happens.

[Dirk]

I've been feeling bad about my Mavs recently so I need an outlet.

Is there anyway we can do this next offseason?

Out: Chandler Parsons, Wes Matthews, Zaza Pachulia, Deron Williams, David Lee, JaVale McGee, Justin Anderson
In: Evan Fournier, Harrison Barnes, Hassan Whiteside

TEAM
PG: Felton/Harris
SG: Fournier
SF: H. Barnes
PF: Nowitzki
C: Whiteside

I'd jizz all over when this happens.

Fournier (RFA), Barnes (RFA) and Whiteside (UFA) are all on the same max contract tier (0-6 years in the league) and can make up to $21.5M in the first year of their contracts.

So if you wanted to sign these guys to max contracts, that would take up $64.6M in cap space and hope the Magic and Warriors didn't match the Mavs offer sheets. It's very unlikely to see Fournier get a max contract though. The other two will get them.

Assuming you somehow trade Matthews away for pure cap space with the other team absorbing his contract without the Mavs having to take some contracts back, you can have around $67.5M in cap space with these players on the roster:

Jose Juan Barea
Devin Harris
Justin Anderson
Jeremy Evans
Salah Mejri
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwight Powell

No need to trade Anderson away.

[DallasMFFL]

Hey yall im new to this. I like the idea of Conley and Whiteside. Im not sure if we could get them. Would love to get Al Horford. Smart defender and has a solid offensive game. Great all around player. I would also love if we could trade Parsons for a solid point guard.

[daoneandonly]

Hey yall im new to this. I like the idea of Conley and Whiteside. Im not sure if we could get them. Would love to get Al Horford. Smart defender and has a solid offensive game. Great all around player. I would also love if we could trade Parsons for a solid point guard.

Welcome to the board bud, we have some great posters here and look forward to seeing your posts and ideas.