2016 Draft

Sunsss · Post #1601 » by **Sunsss** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:55 pm

NavLDO wrote:Furkan Korkmaz (What a name--we need to take him just based on that!!)

Does that mean you know that Korkmaz means fearless?

MrTwister · Post #1602 » by **MrTwister** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:03 pm

Sunsss wrote:
NavLDO wrote:Furkan Korkmaz (What a name--we need to take him just based on that!!)

Does that mean you know that Korkmaz means fearless?

It runs deeper, Furkan, loosely translated can be translated as "Truth",but more like proof of truth

MathiasPW · Post #1603 » by **MathiasPW** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:05 pm

rsavaj wrote:Diamond Stone doesn't impress me too much. Dude looks kinda stiff.

I'm coming around on Bender, partly because the mystique of the unknown is always so damn alluring. I wanted Porzingis, Giannis and Gobert. I also wanted Petteri Koponen, Sergio Rodriguez, Rudy Fernandez and Victor Claver....so my judgment is hilariously hit or miss.

If Bender hits his ceiling, dude looks like a major contributor. I just don't know enough about him to assess how far he is from that ceiling.

It's like how cool all other girls look relatively to yours which you've known for 10+ Years.

NavLDO · Post #1604 » by **NavLDO** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:42 pm

Sunsss wrote:
NavLDO wrote:Furkan Korkmaz (What a name--we need to take him just based on that!!)

Does that mean you know that Korkmaz means fearless?

Nope! Not a clue, but even better!

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1605 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:13 pm

nbadraft.net now has sabonis at 5 to the wolves.

Works in terms of fit, imo. I've wanted to put him there in my mock for a week, but didn't think anyone would take him that high. Ahead of Bender.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #1606 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 4:11 am

I know Gambo is huge on Sabonis, he has him in the next tier below the top 2.

I don't think he is our type of player though, and certainly not at 1-5. He's below the rim with limited outside range, IE. old school bustling PF.

If he shows range though at our workout, then he's going to climb and make things interesting for our Washington pick.

Post #1607 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 4:27 am

If we drop to 5 or 6 I would seriously consider Sabonis if he is there. I wouldn't mind Chriss either if our FO is high on him I would trust them because he has rised as high as 8...it's just tough in our situation, do you go for raw guys or solid guys that may never take you to the promise land, but make you better faster.

You take a guy like Chriss early, or say we take two raw PF's, they develop and we likely get another high pick next year, and that draft is stacked at the top. Going through another bad season would be painful, but would likely pay off more in the long run.

So the question is, what is the best course of action? You know what Sarver likely wants which will drive what McD wants, so it's a tough situation....it just REALLY sucks we keep having lame ducks forced to compete now instead of develop...it was Horny's downfall and could be McD's.

If he passes on Bender for Sabonis, we are better sooner, but what if Bender lives up to the hype? Can McD gamble if he, as a great scout, make a Bender pick...a young guy like Booker who hasn't shown a ton but could be great? Last year in the same situation Booker might not be the pick he makes because his job is on the line and Booker is so young.

Lame duck status and pressure to win now is hurting our franchise in the long run...thank God we still got Booker and Warren at the end of the lottery....and since we got them, I trust McD with whatever decision he makes unless it is Brown or Murray, then he sucks!

AtheJ415 · Post #1608 » by **AtheJ415** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 4:41 am

I think you guys are crazy re: Sabonis. I like him, but if we're taking him top 10 imo it's a bad pick. I think he'll be a good player, but there are other guys there with as much or more potential.

saintEscaton · Post #1609 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 4:45 am

That would be a disaster. Unworthy consolation prize for this abomination of a season

Post #1610 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 5:30 am

saintEscaton wrote:That would be a disaster. Unworthy consolation prize for this abomination of a season

The problem is few guys seem worthy. I know you two are high on Brown, and AtheJ on Dunn, but that isn't what we need. The simple draft is we once again had an abomination of a season in what is likely to be a very bad draft....at least in the short run.

MrTwister · Post #1611 » by **MrTwister** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 5:40 am

bwgood77 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:That would be a disaster. Unworthy consolation prize for this abomination of a season

The problem is few guys seem worthy. I know you two are high on Brown, and AtheJ on Dunn, but that isn't what we need. The simple draft is we once again had an abomination of a season in what is likely to be a very bad draft....at least in the short run.

Thing is half of your list for Wash pick have higher ceiling and could end up better player than him.I'd rather gamble on potential in weak draft like this than settle for a guy which has energy backup big written all over him.Let alone draft him 5th overall.I'd rather take Luwawu if he is available than Sabonis TBH.

Post #1612 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 5:45 am

MrTwister wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:That would be a disaster. Unworthy consolation prize for this abomination of a season

The problem is few guys seem worthy. I know you two are high on Brown, and AtheJ on Dunn, but that isn't what we need. The simple draft is we once again had an abomination of a season in what is likely to be a very bad draft....at least in the short run.

Thing is half of your list for Wash pick have higher ceiling and could end up better player than him.I'd rather gamble on potential in weak draft like this than settle for a guy which has energy backup big written all over him.Let alone draft him 5th overall.I'd rather take Luwawu if he is available than Sabonis TBH.

I'm not really saying take him. I'd probably rather gamble too, but I will trust what McD does. The problem is he may be forced to look short term since he is in the last year of his contract.

Post #1613 » by **ATTL** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 5:46 am

One of Chriss, sabonis, rabb, or Davis will be there for the Washington pick. I trust in McD to make a good choice. Maybe we'll get a booker level talent again?

saintEscaton · Post #1614 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 5:47 am

bwgood77 wrote:
MrTwister wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
The problem is few guys seem worthy. I know you two are high on Brown, and AtheJ on Dunn, but that isn't what we need. The simple draft is we once again had an abomination of a season in what is likely to be a very bad draft....at least in the short run.

Thing is half of your list for Wash pick have higher ceiling and could end up better player than him.I'd rather gamble on potential in weak draft like this than settle for a guy which has energy backup big written all over him.Let alone draft him 5th overall.I'd rather take Luwawu if he is available than Sabonis TBH.

I'm not really saying take him. I'd probably rather gamble too, but I will trust what McD does. The problem is he may be forced to look short term since he is in the last year of his contract.

He should swing for the fences, I don't see any realistic acquisition/rookie who will immediately move the needle.

Amareca · Post #1615 » by **Amareca** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 6:08 am

Seems like Sabonis is this years Kaminsky for many Suns fans.

If it were Gambo we would now have Sam Dekker instead of Booker, Gambo is horrible at evaluating talents.

Post #1616 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 7:10 am

Amareca wrote:Seems like Sabonis is this years Kaminsky for many Suns fans.

If it were Gambo we would now have Sam Dekker instead of Booker, Gambo is horrible at evaluating talents.

Who are your ideal picks at our likely spots? I think I saw them on the trade board but enlighten us with your wisdom as well.

Amareca · Post #1617 » by **Amareca** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 7:21 am

Chriss is a nobrainer at 12 for me followed by Labissiere/Rabb/luwawu at 12

Zubac, zizic, sabonis, d. Murray, payton ii, johnson, prince or who may fall at 28/33

At the top Simmons>Ingram>Hield, Dunn, Murray

We have almost zero athleticism in the frontcourt and need a PF that is a threat in the pick and roll. That is not Sabonis at all. Chriss is a perfect fit and has all the tools to fix his weaknesses.

Id move up a few spots to secure Chriss. I'd call the Kings first and offer them Knight, Goodwin, 28, 33 and if needed Miamis 2018 for their pick 7-9. Then double down on our weakness with Chriss and Labissiere. Assuming we did not get Simmons with our pick.

jcsunsfan · Post #1618 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 8:03 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:I know Gambo is huge on Sabonis, he has him in the next tier below the top 2.

I don't think he is our type of player though, and certainly not at 1-5. He's below the rim with limited outside range, IE. old school bustling PF.

If he shows range though at our workout, then he's going to climb and make things interesting for our Washington pick.

Who says his range is limited? His shot looks good, his form is good, and he makes threes at nearly 35%. He just doesn't take them much. I have a hunch people are going to be really surprised at his shooting in predraft workouts.

Djedefre · Post #1619 » by **Djedefre** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 10:49 am

Chriss will be gone before the Wash pick as a result of this late hype (like Russell last year). Rabb/Luwawu look much more realistic options.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1620 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Apr 1, 2016 12:27 pm

Agreed that Chriss will not last to 12. McD said on the radio yesterday that at 12, they're debating whether to take somebody with potential or someone with a larger body of work. I think Brice Johnson is the guy they're thinking of who fits into that second category. Basically everyone else fits into the former.

Who would you prefer to take with the Washington pick?