Brandon Knight's Value?

[Golabki]

I think you could get an idiot GM to give up maybe around a late lotto pick for him.

Again?

The Suns gave up potentially a top 5 pick, nobody is making that mistake again.

This is the reason he won't be traded... the GM can't admit he screwed up this badly yet.

Also, everyone seems to think the Suns don't want to play two PGs... but everything the Suns have done says they DO want to play two PGs.

I think they blame the whole thing on Horny and try to reboot with basically the same group for 2017.

[MotownMadness]

Would trade our 1st which is like 18th if he didn't make so much. He would be great as a combo guard sixth man but we couldn't afford to pay him that for that role.

[Notanoob]

Welp,I was off because I'd trade Kanter for him.

That's hardly a bad trade for you, the Thunder could use a good shooter who competes on defense.

[bondom34]

Welp,I was off because I'd trade Kanter for him.

That's hardly a bad trade for you, the Thunder could use a good shooter who competes on defense.

I'd agree, I just don't think Kanter has any value, so I pegged Knight similar. I didn't really think either did, but I'm off on this one.

[jredsaz]

Welp,I was off because I'd trade Kanter for him.

That's hardly a bad trade for you, the Thunder could use a good shooter who competes on defense.

I don't know how well he competes on defense but Knight would be a great fit with the Thunder. He does about 60% of what Harden does at about 75% of the salary. He would thrive in an isolation offense in the old Harden 6th man roll. Suns don't need Kanter tho.

[bondom34]

Welp,I was off because I'd trade Kanter for him.

That's hardly a bad trade for you, the Thunder could use a good shooter who competes on defense.

I don't know how well he competes on defense but Knight would be a great fit with the Thunder. He does about 60% of what Harden does at about 75% of the salary. He would thrive in an isolation offense in the old Harden 6th man roll. Suns don't need Kanter tho.

Oh I'd love him, that's the thing. The problem is I was pegging his value at Kanter's, which I don't think is positive either.

[jredsaz]

That's hardly a bad trade for you, the Thunder could use a good shooter who competes on defense.

I don't know how well he competes on defense but Knight would be a great fit with the Thunder. He does about 60% of what Harden does at about 75% of the salary. He would thrive in an isolation offense in the old Harden 6th man roll. Suns don't need Kanter tho.

Oh I'd love him, that's the thing. The problem is I was pegging his value at Kanter's, which I don't think is positive either.

Hey! We have had this conversation before! Lol.

HE HAS POSITIVE VALUE

[Kevin6CD]

Would trade our 1st which is like 18th if he didn't make so much. He would be great as a combo guard sixth man but we couldn't afford to pay him that for that role.

Agreed. His game is exactly what we need behind Reggie and KCP. I'd do our 1st and Meeks for Knight. Something tells me that PHX could find a better deal.

[Texas Chuck]

I don't mind him. He's worth a mid-1st for sure imo. Maybe a bit more if the Suns would take back some money.

[bondom34]

I don't know how well he competes on defense but Knight would be a great fit with the Thunder. He does about 60% of what Harden does at about 75% of the salary. He would thrive in an isolation offense in the old Harden 6th man roll. Suns don't need Kanter tho.

Oh I'd love him, that's the thing. The problem is I was pegging his value at Kanter's, which I don't think is positive either.

Hey! We have had this conversation before! Lol.

HE HAS POSITIVE VALUE

Why I started the thread .

I was wrong!

Edit: Maybe? I don't even know anymore lol.

[realEAST]

I think this is getting blown out of proportion a bit, he's 24 year old score first PG, who'd be decent starter on many teams.
First few that came to mind, Bulls and Pacers, also Kings, all teams who'd welcome him.
Let's say IND-PHO:
Stuckey, IND 1st - Knight
I think IND does this in a second. Not so sure about PHO.
Bulls, if Kings pick somehow converts to them, send their own with joy. If he improves his playmaking, and that would come with age and maturity, he'd be very nice fit along Butler IMO.
That said, I think Bucks would gladly take back last years trade, he'd fit so nice with them too, playing more off the ball, where he is also efficient.

[jbk1234]

Oh I'd love him, that's the thing. The problem is I was pegging his value at Kanter's, which I don't think is positive either.

Hey! We have had this conversation before! Lol.

HE HAS POSITIVE VALUE

Why I started the thread .

I was wrong!

No you weren't. He's a good sixth man being paid like a top 10 PG. His contract has four more years on it. With all due respect to Chuck and others, that impacts what teams will give for him. The only reason I think the Suns have any chance at getting positive value back for him is because their current GM has been totally willing to hold out and throw away a half a season in order to get premium value for players (e.g. Morris).

[bondom34]

Hey! We have had this conversation before! Lol.

HE HAS POSITIVE VALUE

Why I started the thread .

I was wrong!

No you weren't. He's a good sixth man being paid like a top 10 PG. His contract has four more years on it. With all due respect to Chuck and others, that impacts what teams will give for him. The only reason I think the Suns have any chance at getting positive value back for him is because their current GM has been totally willing to hold out and throw away a half a season in order to get premium value for players (e.g. Morris).

Well now I'm confused.

Maybe I'm not so alone after all.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I said salary dump for another questionable contract. I don't see any way he's starting on a good playoff team, so it's a super long 8 figure a year contract for a 6th man.

[Jwduff]

Philly needs a guard and has to pay someone so maybe they could take on Knight and send the Miami pick, and a couple 2nds along with the pure cap space?
I think he's worth mid 1st round/late lotto if they take money back


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[DerrickNoah]

I think BK would be a nice fit in Houston, next to Harden since he can play off the ball and spread the floor. Something like:
Knight
For
Beverly
Brewer
NYK 2016 2nd(via HOU)

If I'm Houston I'd MUCH rather have Beverly on his contract.

I get that point of view too thou BK has a lot more upside. Beverly played really well last night. Career high 22 points in a loss. Hit some 3's. A defensive pest. Looked real good.

[jredsaz]

Hey! We have had this conversation before! Lol.

HE HAS POSITIVE VALUE

Why I started the thread .

I was wrong!

No you weren't. He's a good sixth man being paid like a top 10 PG. His contract has four more years on it. With all due respect to Chuck and others, that impacts what teams will give for him. The only reason I think the Suns have any chance at getting positive value back for him is because their current GM has been totally willing to hold out and throw away a half a season in order to get premium value for players (e.g. Morris).

That is antiquated thinking. After the first week of 2016 free agency his value will jump significantly. Lesser players will begin to see similar, more money on the open market. Teams that miss out on their first and second options will begin to look at trades.

At that point, players who are locked into contracts like Knight will only gain value over the course of the next two years. With every increase in the cap, with every free agency period the market will continue to shift towards higher salaries.

[bondom34]

Why I started the thread .

I was wrong!

No you weren't. He's a good sixth man being paid like a top 10 PG. His contract has four more years on it. With all due respect to Chuck and others, that impacts what teams will give for him. The only reason I think the Suns have any chance at getting positive value back for him is because their current GM has been totally willing to hold out and throw away a half a season in order to get premium value for players (e.g. Morris).

That is antiquated thinking. After the first week of 2016 free agency his value will jump significantly. Lesser players will begin to see similar, more money on the open market. Teams that miss out on their first and second options will begin to look at trades.

At that point, players who are locked into contracts like Knight will only gain value over the course of the next two years. With every increase in the cap, with every free agency period the market will continue to shift towards higher salaries.

That's my quandary though, b/c I'd say the same about Kanter, but I don't think he has positive value either.

[jbk1234]

Why I started the thread .

I was wrong!

No you weren't. He's a good sixth man being paid like a top 10 PG. His contract has four more years on it. With all due respect to Chuck and others, that impacts what teams will give for him. The only reason I think the Suns have any chance at getting positive value back for him is because their current GM has been totally willing to hold out and throw away a half a season in order to get premium value for players (e.g. Morris).

That is antiquated thinking. After the first week of 2016 free agency his value will jump significantly. Lesser players will begin to see similar, more money on the open market. Teams that miss out on their first and second options will begin to look at trades.

At that point, players who are locked into contracts like Knight will only gain value over the course of the next two years. With every increase in the cap, with every free agency period the market will continue to shift towards higher salaries.

So he'll go from negative value to neutral value - maybe. Knight will stop being paid like a top 10 pg and instead be paid like a top 20 pg and he'll still be the sixth man on a good team.

[jredsaz]

No you weren't. He's a good sixth man being paid like a top 10 PG. His contract has four more years on it. With all due respect to Chuck and others, that impacts what teams will give for him. The only reason I think the Suns have any chance at getting positive value back for him is because their current GM has been totally willing to hold out and throw away a half a season in order to get premium value for players (e.g. Morris).

That is antiquated thinking. After the first week of 2016 free agency his value will jump significantly. Lesser players will begin to see similar, more money on the open market. Teams that miss out on their first and second options will begin to look at trades.

At that point, players who are locked into contracts like Knight will only gain value over the course of the next two years. With every increase in the cap, with every free agency period the market will continue to shift towards higher salaries.

So he'll go from negative value to neutral value - maybe. Knight will stop being paid like a top 10 pg and instead be paid like a top 20 pg and he'll still be the sixth man on a good team.

The term negative value needs to be eliminated from these boards. Smh. You were super on point with Morris a couple months ago with that. In a $100 million cap world, Knights contract becomes affordable given his talent.

Again, he is not a classic point guard. He is a combo guard who can come off the bench, run a second team or play off the ball next to a starting point. He needs to be on a good team and used correctly. As the cap jumps the cost of the contract will scale with his value on the court.

At any rate, I guarantee that if traded at the draft, or any time after, he will individually, or more likely as part of a larger package, bring back value to the Suns.