Rookie Discussion Thread

[Slava]

He's been playing professionally since he was 18, he might pick up a thing or two and put up better numbers with more minutes and usage but I don't think there's room for drastic improvement there. Still watching him, I don't think there's many if any in the league with better vision than him, his passing is elite.

As I stated a while back in the thread, he is basically Ricky Rubio without any defensive ability.

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He hustles his ass off though, watching Lou, Clarkson and Russell not even run back on transition and then watching Marcelo bust hsi ass off doing suicides on every possession is a night and day difference.

[Domejandro]

He's been playing professionally since he was 18, he might pick up a thing or two and put up better numbers with more minutes and usage but I don't think there's room for drastic improvement there. Still watching him, I don't think there's many if any in the league with better vision than him, his passing is elite.

As I stated a while back in the thread, he is basically Ricky Rubio without any defensive ability.

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I was going to put that, but I tried to cut back because he played for Barcelona.

[islanders11040]

Is Myles Turner hitting a rookie wall a bit? He started playing heavier minutes later in the season so it makes sense that he hits a wall late.

[pacers33granger]

Is Myles Turner hitting a rookie wall a bit? He started playing heavier minutes later in the season so it makes sense that he hits a wall late.

He most definitely has. There seem to be several factors that have played into it. For one, he's the starting PF as opposed to the backup C, so he's guarding guys who are usually quicker than him (and many still stronger since he's so young). He's also playing with the starters now, which seems to have effected his confidence at times. When he was off the bench, he was usually the first option, but as a starter he's the 4th option. So he is hesitating at times unless his shot is on due to the pecking order. We're also fighting for a playoff spot, so the leash is a bit shorter with him now than earlier in the season. Lastly, teams know he can hit jumpers now and are playing him closer.

All in all, he's been up and down as a starter and has had some rough games lately, but he's learning. If we keep the playoff spot (which seems likely, but definitely not guaranteed with how we've played lately), I'd expect the leash to become shorter on him and Lavoy Allen and Jordan Hill to see more minutes.

[Westbreezy]

Is Myles Turner hitting a rookie wall a bit? He started playing heavier minutes later in the season so it makes sense that he hits a wall late.

He most definitely has. There seem to be several factors that have played into it. For one, he's the starting PF as opposed to the backup C, so he's guarding guys who are usually quicker than him (and many still stronger since he's so young). He's also playing with the starters now, which seems to have effected his confidence at times. When he was off the bench, he was usually the first option, but as a starter he's the 4th option. So he is hesitating at times unless his shot is on due to the pecking order. We're also fighting for a playoff spot, so the leash is a bit shorter with him now than earlier in the season. Lastly, teams know he can hit jumpers now and are playing him closer.

All in all, he's been up and down as a starter and has had some rough games lately, but he's learning. If we keep the playoff spot (which seems likely, but definitely not guaranteed with how we've played lately), I'd expect the leash to become shorter on him and Lavoy Allen and Jordan Hill to see more minutes.

It seems really stupid and backwards thinking that Turner is starting at the 4 with another center playing with him at all times... I'm guessing Paul George talked to some higher ups and said he refused to start at the 4. Turner at the 5 playing with 4 perimeter players is going to help him a ton on offense and defense

[islanders11040]

Is Myles Turner hitting a rookie wall a bit? He started playing heavier minutes later in the season so it makes sense that he hits a wall late.

He most definitely has. There seem to be several factors that have played into it. For one, he's the starting PF as opposed to the backup C, so he's guarding guys who are usually quicker than him (and many still stronger since he's so young). He's also playing with the starters now, which seems to have effected his confidence at times. When he was off the bench, he was usually the first option, but as a starter he's the 4th option. So he is hesitating at times unless his shot is on due to the pecking order. We're also fighting for a playoff spot, so the leash is a bit shorter with him now than earlier in the season. Lastly, teams know he can hit jumpers now and are playing him closer.

All in all, he's been up and down as a starter and has had some rough games lately, but he's learning. If we keep the playoff spot (which seems likely, but definitely not guaranteed with how we've played lately), I'd expect the leash to become shorter on him and Lavoy Allen and Jordan Hill to see more minutes.

It seems really stupid and backwards thinking that Turner is starting at the 4 with another center playing with him at all times... I'm guessing Paul George talked to some higher ups and said he refused to start at the 4. Turner at the 5 playing with 4 perimeter players is going to help him a ton on offense and defense

You dont think he could play the KP role for pacers?

[Domejandro]

He most definitely has. There seem to be several factors that have played into it. For one, he's the starting PF as opposed to the backup C, so he's guarding guys who are usually quicker than him (and many still stronger since he's so young). He's also playing with the starters now, which seems to have effected his confidence at times. When he was off the bench, he was usually the first option, but as a starter he's the 4th option. So he is hesitating at times unless his shot is on due to the pecking order. We're also fighting for a playoff spot, so the leash is a bit shorter with him now than earlier in the season. Lastly, teams know he can hit jumpers now and are playing him closer.

All in all, he's been up and down as a starter and has had some rough games lately, but he's learning. If we keep the playoff spot (which seems likely, but definitely not guaranteed with how we've played lately), I'd expect the leash to become shorter on him and Lavoy Allen and Jordan Hill to see more minutes.

It seems really stupid and backwards thinking that Turner is starting at the 4 with another center playing with him at all times... I'm guessing Paul George talked to some higher ups and said he refused to start at the 4. Turner at the 5 playing with 4 perimeter players is going to help him a ton on offense and defense

You dont think he could play the KP role for pacers?

He is not nearly as nimble as Kristaps Porzingis, Porzingis is a freak of nature from an agility stand-point.

[76ciology]

Haven't watched a lot of KP. But how is he when he step out and defend at the perimeter?

[pacers33granger]

Is Myles Turner hitting a rookie wall a bit? He started playing heavier minutes later in the season so it makes sense that he hits a wall late.

He most definitely has. There seem to be several factors that have played into it. For one, he's the starting PF as opposed to the backup C, so he's guarding guys who are usually quicker than him (and many still stronger since he's so young). He's also playing with the starters now, which seems to have effected his confidence at times. When he was off the bench, he was usually the first option, but as a starter he's the 4th option. So he is hesitating at times unless his shot is on due to the pecking order. We're also fighting for a playoff spot, so the leash is a bit shorter with him now than earlier in the season. Lastly, teams know he can hit jumpers now and are playing him closer.

All in all, he's been up and down as a starter and has had some rough games lately, but he's learning. If we keep the playoff spot (which seems likely, but definitely not guaranteed with how we've played lately), I'd expect the leash to become shorter on him and Lavoy Allen and Jordan Hill to see more minutes.

It seems really stupid and backwards thinking that Turner is starting at the 4 with another center playing with him at all times... I'm guessing Paul George talked to some higher ups and said he refused to start at the 4. Turner at the 5 playing with 4 perimeter players is going to help him a ton on offense and defense

I can guarantee you that it has zero to do with George. When we were playing small, CJ Miles was playing the 4. It's mainly about being the best way to get him time. Mahinmi deserves to start and I assume the staff wanted to make sure Turner didn't get abused by centers constantly with how weak he is (comparatively).

[islanders11040]

Haven't watched a lot of KP. But how is he when he step out and defend at the perimeter?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfYUY0jwIk[/youtube]

Good video which shows a little bit of everything defensively. He switches onto smaller players plenty of times this season and at times in the video. It usually ends with KP winning the matchup since he recovers so much space so quickly with his length when players try to drive past him. What i love about KP blocking shots is that he usually keeps them in play for team possession. They aren't the flashy/not as helpful Dwight volleyball spike blocks/

He struggled more in the perimeter in the beginning of the season, mainly 3 pt line. I remember a game where he struggled to defend Casspi pretty badly. I mean a 7'3'' dude trying to run through multiple screens gotta be tough. But hes improved now to the point where opponents are shooting below average from the perimeter too.

edit:KP got wrecked by Draymond twice. The combination of strength and quickness killed him. At least one if not two were during KP's hitting wall stretch, though it may not made a difference

[treefi]

Haven't watched a lot of KP. But how is he when he step out and defend at the perimeter?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfYUY0jwIk[/youtube]

Good video which shows a little bit of everything defensively. He switches onto smaller players plenty of times in the video and this season in general. It usually ends with KP winning the matchup since he recovers so much space so quickly with his length when players try to drive past him.

He struggled more in the perimeter in the beginning of the season, mainly 3 pt line. I remember a game where he struggled to defend Caspi pretty badly. But hes improved now to the point where opponents are shooting below average from the perimeter too.

edit:KP got wrecked by Draymond twice. The combination of strength and quickness killed him. At least one if not two were during KP's hitting wall stretch, though it may not made a difference

Yeah, Porzingis has a skill set at PF that every team will be looking for the next decade. Same thing at Center with Towns. At SF every team dreams of Durant or Leonard (why Ingram will go before Simmons)... G, Curry.

[DOLPHIN2020]

Any update on KPs shoulder MRI?

[76ciology]

Haven't watched a lot of KP. But how is he when he step out and defend at the perimeter?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfYUY0jwIk[/youtube]

Good video which shows a little bit of everything defensively. He switches onto smaller players plenty of times this season and at times in the video. It usually ends with KP winning the matchup since he recovers so much space so quickly with his length when players try to drive past him. What i love about KP blocking shots is that he usually keeps them in play for team possession. They aren't the flashy/not as helpful Dwight volleyball spike blocks/

He struggled more in the perimeter in the beginning of the season, mainly 3 pt line. I remember a game where he struggled to defend Casspi pretty badly. I mean a 7'3'' dude trying to run through multiple screens gotta be tough. But hes improved now to the point where opponents are shooting below average from the perimeter too.

edit:KP got wrecked by Draymond twice. The combination of strength and quickness killed him. At least one if not two were during KP's hitting wall stretch, though it may not made a difference

Yeah, I was just thinking he either has to bulk up and defend stronger players (would help him finish around the rim better and with his rebounding) or stay with his current physique that allows him to defend guys at the perimeter. I could be wrong though. Guys like Tyson Chandler, KG and KD are/were wiry strong.

[JMac1]

You disagree, so noted. Saying he is not is your opinion and you are welcome to it. What he has done as a starter, has surpassed Kris as the #2 rookie IMO, for example, things such as 5 30 point games, averaging 22 pts for all of March and second in scoring only to KAT since January, and being the go to guy, forcing double teams to stop him, having a 78% drive success rate, et al are pretty much substantive evidence to support my opinion of Book being the number two rookie. Again, you can disagree, but I am using examples juxtapose by just saying it.

a 7"3 rookie who has made it too 1000 points 75+ threes 500 rebounds and 100 blocks in his rookie season, how is that not a better prospect. don't get me wrong booker is absolutely amazing, so the argument is kind of stupid in terms of having to choose one, you're getting a great player either way. but prospect wise, theres been no one like porzingis and you take the potential of porzingis 10/10 times if you're a gm.

Exactly, couldn't have said it any better.

Yea, I guess you guys are right. I totally forgot that this was a big dominated league.....

[TrueWarrior]

Yea, I guess you guys are right. I totally forgot that this was a big dominated league.....

Its fine that you like your rook better, as we all get attached, but I saw Sasha drop his season high 23 on Book while they were yapping back n forth all night. Book got 32 to be fair in more minutes, which is always impressive, but he's clueless on defense and his team got trounced by a floundering Knick squad.

If you want to bring up him being a 1st option now while KP is a 2nd, check some of the games KP had without Melo. Especially the first few. He's also had many scoring outbursts playing with the bench. The guy has played with the worst guards in the league all season which hurt his efficiency, but he knows how to score himself.

Oh and KP is not a normal big. He is a unicorn for a reason .

Best wishes to Book though. He looks like a keeper.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Yea, I guess you guys are right. I totally forgot that this was a big dominated league.....

Its fine that you like your rook better, as we all get attached, but I saw Sasha drop his season high 23 on Book while they were yapping back n forth all night. Book got 32 to be fair in more minutes, which is always impressive, but he's clueless on defense and his team got trounced by a floundering Knick squad.

If you want to bring up him being a 1st option now while KP is a 2nd, check some of the games KP had without Melo. Especially the first few. He's also had many scoring outbursts playing with the bench. The guy has played with the worst guards in the league all season which hurt his efficiency, but he knows how to score himself.

Oh and KP is not a normal big. He is called a unicorn for a reason.

Best wishes to Book though.

To add to this, while it may not be a big dominated league, it is a skilled one - and, as previously stated, having a 7' who can defend the perimeter, protect rim, hit threes, and do everything in between is a skill set that every team wants.

[JMac1]

Yea, I guess you guys are right. I totally forgot that this was a big dominated league.....

Its fine that you like your rook better, as we all get attached, but I saw Sasha drop his season high 23 on Book while they were yapping back n forth all night. Book got 32 to be fair in more minutes, which is always impressive, but he's clueless on defense and his team got trounced by a floundering Knick squad.

If you want to bring up him being a 1st option now while KP is a 2nd, check some of the games KP had without Melo. Especially the first few. He's also had many scoring outbursts playing with the bench. The guy has played with the worst guards in the league all season which hurt his efficiency, but he knows how to score himself.

Oh and KP is not a normal big. He is a unicorn for a reason .

Best wishes to Book though. He looks like a keeper.

I prefer guards over bigs.....sorry to disappoint you.

[JMac1]

Yea, I guess you guys are right. I totally forgot that this was a big dominated league.....

Its fine that you like your rook better, as we all get attached, but I saw Sasha drop his season high 23 on Book while they were yapping back n forth all night. Book got 32 to be fair in more minutes, which is always impressive, but he's clueless on defense and his team got trounced by a floundering Knick squad.

If you want to bring up him being a 1st option now while KP is a 2nd, check some of the games KP had without Melo. Especially the first few. He's also had many scoring outbursts playing with the bench. The guy has played with the worst guards in the league all season which hurt his efficiency, but he knows how to score himself.

Oh and KP is not a normal big. He is called a unicorn for a reason.

Best wishes to Book though.

To add to this, while it may not be a big dominated league, it is a skilled one - and, as previously stated, having a 7' who can defend the perimeter, protect rim, hit threes, and do everything in between is a skill set that every team wants.

Not arguing that. I just want a guard as my guy vs a big, thus I like Booker's potential over Kristaps, so sue me. It is probably because of the success of Steph Curry vs Anthony Davis....

[NBA Fan 1234]

Its fine that you like your rook better, as we all get attached, but I saw Sasha drop his season high 23 on Book while they were yapping back n forth all night. Book got 32 to be fair in more minutes, which is always impressive, but he's clueless on defense and his team got trounced by a floundering Knick squad.

If you want to bring up him being a 1st option now while KP is a 2nd, check some of the games KP had without Melo. Especially the first few. He's also had many scoring outbursts playing with the bench. The guy has played with the worst guards in the league all season which hurt his efficiency, but he knows how to score himself.

Oh and KP is not a normal big. He is called a unicorn for a reason.

Best wishes to Book though.

To add to this, while it may not be a big dominated league, it is a skilled one - and, as previously stated, having a 7' who can defend the perimeter, protect rim, hit threes, and do everything in between is a skill set that every team wants.

Not arguing that. I just want a guard as my guy vs a big, thus I like Booker's potential over Kristaps, so sue me. It is probably because of the success of Steph Curry vs Anthony Davis....

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I guess your opinion changed a bit since the draft - totally okay, just lol. I guess being obsessed with Kaminsky and wanting other bigs before Book was just a phase.

Also, comparing AD to Curry is a bit unfair - I mean, AD is 5 years younger and can still improve a **** ton (and will look better when his GM gets his head out of his ass). Curry will improve as well, but AD is 5 years younger and just last year put up one of the best statistical years in NBA history on a **** team riddled with injuries.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Don't want to edit my post or the links will stop being hyperlinks, but you are entitled to your opinion - I'm not trying to dissuade you. I like Book's potential a lot, I just like KP's even more. Much easier to build around because of his impressive skill set.

I'll admit I was wrong on Booker - I liked him, but did not foresee this. KP, on the other hand, I was dead right about and have been since the 2014 draft so yeah, go me.