Brandon Knight's Value?

[jbk1234]

That is antiquated thinking. After the first week of 2016 free agency his value will jump significantly. Lesser players will begin to see similar, more money on the open market. Teams that miss out on their first and second options will begin to look at trades.

At that point, players who are locked into contracts like Knight will only gain value over the course of the next two years. With every increase in the cap, with every free agency period the market will continue to shift towards higher salaries.

So he'll go from negative value to neutral value - maybe. Knight will stop being paid like a top 10 pg and instead be paid like a top 20 pg and he'll still be the sixth man on a good team.

The term negative value needs to be eliminated from these boards. Smh. You were super on point with Morris a couple months ago with that. In a $100 million cap world, Knights contract becomes affordable given his talent.

Again, he is not a classic point guard. He is a combo guard who can come off the bench, run a second team or play off the ball next to a starting point. He needs to be on a good team and used correctly. As the cap jumps the cost of the contract will scale with his value on the court.

At any rate, I guarantee that if traded at the draft, or any time after, he will individually, or more likely as part of a larger package, bring back value to the Suns.

The point made in my original post was that the Suns have shown a willingness to hold players until a desperate and stupid GM arises and gives them what they want. But that trade was awful for the Wizards and it cost the Suns a half a season of dysfunction. If the Suns wait until after F.A., or until the deadline when someone has a need because of injury, Knight's value might increase. But if they want to move him ahead of F.A. or at the draft, then it's going to be difficult to get value for him. He's not anyone's plan A.

[LV-Suns]

I think we could potentially get a 9-14 pick for him. He is still very young and signed long term. Eventhough his contract might look crazy as of now, it will look very reasonable after the contracts that will handed out under the new CBA. I believe he can still carve a Crawford/JET role on a good team.

[realEAST]

I think we could potentially get a 9-14 pick for him. He is still very young and signed long term. Eventhough his contract might look crazy as of now, it will look very reasonable after the contracts that will handed out under the new CBA. I believe he can still carve a Crawford/JET role on a good team.

Depending on team and prospects left on board, but 12-17 I'd say would be mutually acceptable.

[loserX]

I happen to like Knight a lot; if we didn't have Burks I'd give up Utah's pick for him this year pretty quickly (projects to be about middle of the round).

It's just that with Burks on the team Knight's ideal role is kind of filled already, and we can only afford so many 8-figure deals at once. (I think Knight is better than Burks but not to the point where Utah should be in a huge rush to swap one out to acquire the other.)

[bwgood77]

A pick in the late teens sounds about right.

The Hornets will have a ton of cap space this summer and they likely will not be big players in FA. Their bench can use a lot of help and Knight as a 6th man could remedy that need immediately. They can do something like Zeller + #21 for Knight which I think would help both teams plenty.

That seems like a reasonable deal, though I don't think Knight will be traded yet, particularly for a 4th first round draft pick.

[bwgood77]

That's hardly a bad trade for you, the Thunder could use a good shooter who competes on defense.

I don't know how well he competes on defense but Knight would be a great fit with the Thunder. He does about 60% of what Harden does at about 75% of the salary. He would thrive in an isolation offense in the old Harden 6th man roll. Suns don't need Kanter tho.

Oh I'd love him, that's the thing. The problem is I was pegging his value at Kanter's, which I don't think is positive either.

We could throw Goodwin and Payne into the deal to make it more fair!

[bwgood77]

I happen to like Knight a lot; if we didn't have Burks I'd give up Utah's pick for him this year pretty quickly (projects to be about middle of the round).

It's just that with Burks on the team Knight's ideal role is kind of filled already, and we can only afford so many 8-figure deals at once. (I think Knight is better than Burks but not to the point where Utah should be in a huge rush to swap one out to acquire the other.)

Yeah, people have brought up the Jazz a bit in trade scenarios with Knight (on the Suns board) and I keep looking at Burk's deal and production, and figure you pretty much already have a cheaper Knight who might be more efficient. Maybe not as likely to explode for a huge game one night, but probably more consistent and less prone to turnovers.

[DTouch]

Don't know why knight is hated on by so many pho fan...prior to bled going down wasn't knight and bled putting up monster #s on a nightly basis? I mean look at how much the bucks fell off replacing knight with mcw

[Bakuto]

I'd love him backing up Reggie and KCP as first guard off of the bench. Would gladly include a first.

SVG has also been known to use cap space for trades. Meeks' expiring (or not include him at all), and whatever first we get I would be happy to trade for BK.

I don't know if PHX would though.

[Andre Roberstan]

Don't know why knight is hated on by so many pho fan...prior to bled going down wasn't knight and bled putting up monster #s on a nightly basis? I mean look at how much the bucks fell off replacing knight with mcw

That has more to do with MCW.

And as far as Knight putting up monster numbers, it's kind of like Lou Will on the Raps. 6MOY, but the offense died in his hands, and when they filled out their roster with defensive system players and dropped him they became a far better team.

It's not that Knight's a bad player. It's just that his best role is probably as a 6th man carrying a weak bench, and he's overpaid for that. He's an odd fit as a starter in most places, unlikely to want to come off the bench and thinks of himself as a PG even though he's clearly not.

[pelifan]

I still have Holiday over Knight. But would happily deal Tyreke for him. Which could make some sense if it weren't for Tyreke's low value from injury +contract year.

[Zelaznyrules]

The point made in my original post was that the Suns have shown a willingness to hold players until a desperate and stupid GM arises and gives them what they want. But that trade was awful for the Wizards and it cost the Suns a half a season of dysfunction. If the Suns wait until after F.A., or until the deadline when someone has a need because of injury, Knight's value might increase. But if they want to move him ahead of F.A. or at the draft, then it's going to be difficult to get value for him. He's not anyone's plan A.

Except it isn't really true. There is some justification for saying it but it ignores everything else that contributed to this season. Injuries to Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Len, Warren and even the 3rd string PG (Price) all played a part in the early season collapse. Markieff's unwillingness or inability to play to the level expected certainly created problems but they benched him fairly quickly and the problems continued even when he was away from the team for medical reasons.

[Jwduff]

I still have Holiday over Knight. But would happily deal Tyreke for him. Which could make some sense if it weren't for Tyreke's low value from injury +contract year.

Say Pelicans get the 6th pick and The Suns get the Wizard pick at like 10. How about Knight, 10th for Evans and #6?


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[bondom34]

I don't know how well he competes on defense but Knight would be a great fit with the Thunder. He does about 60% of what Harden does at about 75% of the salary. He would thrive in an isolation offense in the old Harden 6th man roll. Suns don't need Kanter tho.

Oh I'd love him, that's the thing. The problem is I was pegging his value at Kanter's, which I don't think is positive either.

We could throw Goodwin and Payne into the deal to make it more fair!

I'll call you, don't worry about calling me .

[Zelaznyrules]

Don't know why knight is hated on by so many pho fan...prior to bled going down wasn't knight and bled putting up monster #s on a nightly basis? I mean look at how much the bucks fell off replacing knight with mcw

It doesn't help Knight's reputation that he can be a very frustrating player to watch. He had a very short stretch this season where it looked like he was settling in as the 2 guard and he and Bledsoe put up some big numbers during that period. But defenses soon realized that the other 3 starters (Chandler, Markieff and Tucker) were completely incapable or unwilling to take part in the offense. So it became very easy to play off of them and shut down passing and driving lanes and still defend the shooters.

Once the lane clogged up both Bledsoe and Knight's numbers dropped sharply. Take away the space to operate and they both became very poor players. Bledsoe's injury took him off the firing line but Knight's return has allowed him to become the focus point for fan dissatisfaction.

[buckboy]

Don't know why knight is hated on by so many pho fan...prior to bled going down wasn't knight and bled putting up monster #s on a nightly basis? I mean look at how much the bucks fell off replacing knight with mcw

It doesn't help Knight's reputation that he can be a very frustrating player to watch. He had a very short stretch this season where it looked like he was settling in as the 2 guard and he and Bledsoe put up some big numbers during that period. But defenses soon realized that the other 3 starters (Chandler, Markieff and Tucker) were completely incapable or unwilling to take part in the offense. So it became very easy to play off of them and shut down passing and driving lanes and still defend the shooters.

Once the lane clogged up both Bledsoe and Knight's numbers dropped sharply. Take away the space to operate and they both became very poor players. Bledsoe's injury took him off the firing line but Knight's return has allowed him to become the focus point for fan dissatisfaction.

He is incredibly frustrating. I've stayed out of this thread because I really think he's pretty terrible, but your point about him being frustrating is completely, 100% accurate.

[DTouch]

Don't know why knight is hated on by so many pho fan...prior to bled going down wasn't knight and bled putting up monster #s on a nightly basis? I mean look at how much the bucks fell off replacing knight with mcw

It doesn't help Knight's reputation that he can be a very frustrating player to watch. He had a very short stretch this season where it looked like he was settling in as the 2 guard and he and Bledsoe put up some big numbers during that period. But defenses soon realized that the other 3 starters (Chandler, Markieff and Tucker) were completely incapable or unwilling to take part in the offense. So it became very easy to play off of them and shut down passing and driving lanes and still defend the shooters.

Once the lane clogged up both Bledsoe and Knight's numbers dropped sharply. Take away the space to operate and they both became very poor players. Bledsoe's injury took him off the firing line but Knight's return has allowed him to become the focus point for fan dissatisfaction.

He is incredibly frustrating. I've stayed out of this thread because I really think he's pretty terrible, but your point about him being frustrating is completely, 100% accurate.

Bucks were in plaoffs with him but now a lottery team w/o. He must have done something right

[Andre Roberstan]

Bucks were in plaoffs with him but now a lottery team w/o. He must have done something right

MCW/Knight trade was before playoffs, and they made it there on the strength of their defense. Which they compromised by replacing Pachulia with Monroe.

[pelifan]

I still have Holiday over Knight. But would happily deal Tyreke for him. Which could make some sense if it weren't for Tyreke's low value from injury +contract year.

Say Pelicans get the 6th pick and The Suns get the Wizard pick at like 10. How about Knight, 10th for Evans and #6?


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Depends on who is there more than likely. If Bender, Dunn, Simmons, Hield, Ingram are gone I guess I'd think about it... but I'd still probably pass.

Not because the value is off, but because we desperately need to hit on this pick.

[buckboy]

It doesn't help Knight's reputation that he can be a very frustrating player to watch. He had a very short stretch this season where it looked like he was settling in as the 2 guard and he and Bledsoe put up some big numbers during that period. But defenses soon realized that the other 3 starters (Chandler, Markieff and Tucker) were completely incapable or unwilling to take part in the offense. So it became very easy to play off of them and shut down passing and driving lanes and still defend the shooters.

Once the lane clogged up both Bledsoe and Knight's numbers dropped sharply. Take away the space to operate and they both became very poor players. Bledsoe's injury took him off the firing line but Knight's return has allowed him to become the focus point for fan dissatisfaction.

He is incredibly frustrating. I've stayed out of this thread because I really think he's pretty terrible, but your point about him being frustrating is completely, 100% accurate.

Bucks were in plaoffs with him but now a lottery team w/o. He must have done something right

This is spurious logic at best.