ImageImageImageImage

2016 Draft - Never too early

Moderator: Texas Chuck

Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#221 » by Mr B » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:44 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Ahh, that changes things. I did not know that. Unless Bradford is part of the deal, I don't see the Egals moving up. So unless the 49ers or Rams make a move, it looks as of this moment, the best play is to stay at #4 and get an immediate impact starter.


I heard a rumor on NFL Network the other day that there are whispers that the Cowboys and Rams are talking trade if one of the QB's (or both) are there at 4. If that happens and the Cowboys can get the Rams 1st next year I think they'll trade down with them (unless the Niners make a better offer) and they'll draft Paxton Lynch.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#222 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:53 pm

If that means that much to the Rams, why can't we counter with a different offer. We trade 1st round draft picks so they can have their QB of the future, in exchange for your 2nd and 3ird pick in this year's draft. They will go for it.
Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#223 » by Mr B » Sat Mar 26, 2016 8:54 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:If that means that much to the Rams, why can't we counter with a different offer. We trade 1st round draft picks so they can have their QB of the future, in exchange for your 2nd and 3ird pick in this year's draft. They will go for it.


I think they'd have to give up their 2nd this year and 1st next year to move from 15 to 4.
Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#224 » by Mr B » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:40 pm

Someone posted this on another board that I visit. For those opposed to taking Wentz (if available) or for those that don't think he's a legit QB prospect because of the school he went to, this is a good read.

Lots of clips if you go to the link.
[url="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-cosell-s-draft-preview--carson-wentz-s-valid-andrew-luck-comp-152623472.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw"]Greg Cosell's draft preview: Carson Wentz's valid Andrew Luck comp | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports[/url]

Greg Cosell's draft preview: Carson Wentz's valid Andrew Luck comp
By Greg Cosell
7 hours ago

Leading up to the NFL draft on April 28-30, NFL Films' Greg Cosell will be sharing his views on many of the top prospects based on his extensive film study of those players.

Andrew Luck was considered a rare prospect, and as such, people are hesitant to compare other high-level prospects to Luck.

I believe Carson Wentz is a high-level prospect, my top quarterback in this draft class, and I think the comparison to Luck is valid.

What happens down the road in any prospect’s career is pure speculation, and how Wentz does in the NFL is a product of many variables. So I don’t know how Wentz's NFL career will compare to what Luck has done or will continue to do. But I see many similarities between the two quarterbacks.

Like Luck, Wentz is smart. He was a 4.0 student at North Dakota State. Physically, the two are similar, and we’ll get to that in a bit. One thing that stood out to me about Wentz is his poise in critical moments. That reminds me of Luck as well.

Wentz, with his team trailing 28-24 against Northern Iowa last season, led a late drive and threw a game-winning touchdown in the final minute. He converted a couple key fourth downs and showed outstanding poise and composure. It was an excellent combination of patience and aggressiveness. (Move ahead to 11:24 of the video below to watch him lead the game-winning drive.)

Physically there’s a lot to like about Wentz too, and there are more reminders of Luck. Wentz is a very good athlete for a 6-foot-5, 237-pound quarterback (Wentz is actually a smoother-looking athlete than Luck because his body type is different: he is longer and leaner than Luck despite weighing 237 pounds). He has an awareness of how to play the position, like Luck. He has the ability to drive the ball when the throw demands it, as Luck does.

Wentz has very good arm strength. He is a tight, compact, easy thrower for a big quarterback. The ball comes out with velocity. Wentz can clearly drive the ball, which is a result of a strong core and lower body.

Wentz isn’t just a fastball thrower. He has showed the refinement to throw with touch and pace when demanded. He can make firm, touch seam throws that are part of NFL passing games. He showed an excellent feel for the different kinds of throws that are necessary for the situation.

There were other things I liked about Wentz when I watched the film: He had an excellent command of the offense, controlling the game at the line of scrimmage when needed with a lot of audibles and checks. He excelled in a structured passing game that asked him to make progression reads and difficult NFL-type throws. All of that will help in his transition to the pro game.

He also is a good runner. There were times when the NDSU offense looked like the Carolina Panthers offense with its multiple backfield actions and run game dimensions. Here’s a quarterback run behind the fullback that went for a touchdown:

If a team decides to use Wentz as a regular part of their running game, as the Panthers do with Cam Newton, he has the ability to excel in that role.

Wentz has many skills you like to see, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll be an NFL success. Going back to the Luck example, even though the assumption was that Luck’s decision making wouldn’t be a problem in the NFL because of his high-level intelligence, he hasn’t been a consistently good decision maker in the pros — that’s a part of Luck’s game he must continue to work on. So it’s always tough to project any prospect, no matter the position. There’s a lot of variables involved in becoming a high-level NFL player, especially at quarterback.

I can only tell you what I’ve seen on tape from the prospects going into the draft. [B]And what I’ve seen from Wentz is pretty good. He's my No. 1 quarterback in this draft.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#225 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sat Apr 2, 2016 4:53 pm

That doesn't mean he is the Guy and our guy of the future just because he is the best Qb in this year's draft. We won't have a chance to get him anyway. The best players in the draft in imho are Deforest Buckner and Myles Jack, hands down. But I do understand why most shy away from Jack. I'm just talking pure talent with all the intangibles.
Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#226 » by Mr B » Sat Apr 2, 2016 11:04 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:That doesn't mean he is the Guy and our guy of the future just because he is the best Qb in this year's draft. We won't have a chance to get him anyway. The best players in the draft in imho are Deforest Buckner and Myles Jack, hands down. But I do understand why most shy away from Jack. I'm just talking pure talent with all the intangibles.


I'm really hoping that Rams/Cowboys trade rumor is legit. I think they could get better value with the 15th pick and old like to have three 2nd round picks.

What would you think about Darron Lee at 15?
User avatar
Otis Driftwood
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,758
And1: 2,119
Joined: Feb 25, 2015
Contact:
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#227 » by Otis Driftwood » Sun Apr 3, 2016 1:21 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:That doesn't mean he is the Guy and our guy of the future just because he is the best Qb in this year's draft. We won't have a chance to get him anyway. The best players in the draft in imho are Deforest Buckner and Myles Jack, hands down. But I do understand why most shy away from Jack. I'm just talking pure talent with all the intangibles.


I'm really hoping that Rams/Cowboys trade rumor is legit. I think they could get better value with the 15th pick and old like to have three 2nd round picks.

What would you think about Darron Lee at 15?


Those combine numbers are eye popping. I get a little concerned with the "project" tag though. I'd like to have a better feeling about a guy at 15 being to step in and play right now.

But - my mind can be changed. After all, I'm not worried about him being a tOSU LB. I'll take Urban's track record over the Vest's any day.
"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it."
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#228 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Apr 3, 2016 3:18 pm

Or we can stay where we are and get an immediate, impact, much-needed starter. We all agree that our defense sucks. So let's knock out a couple much needed positions on defense, and do it now so we can get Mr. B's QB in next year's draft. I can see Buckner being a cornerstone and pro bowler for many years for us.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#229 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Apr 3, 2016 3:25 pm

Of course I still like Myles Jack, but you guys don't. I'm just saying if we take either one, we don't have to address that position for a while and can go to the next. We still have many holes on defense.
Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#230 » by Mr B » Sun Apr 3, 2016 5:16 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Or we can stay where we are and get an immediate, impact, much-needed starter. We all agree that our defense sucks. So let's knock out a couple much needed positions on defense, and do it now so we can get Mr. B's QB in next year's draft. I can see Buckner being a cornerstone and pro bowler for many years for us.


I expect the Cowboys to be much better next year. That will translate in to a lower pick. With that said I don't think QB will be an option at all. By the time the Cowboys pick comes up next year there won't be anyone left on the board as good as either Goff or Wentz. If they pass on a QB this year then they believe this team can win a SB within Romo's two year window.

After those two years this team is going to SUCK. The problem is they won't suck enough to get a high pick to draft one of the top QB's. They could still draft someone the quality of Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton, or Derek Carr but with Romo gone there will be no opportunity to allow the kid to develop. He would be thrown to the wolves.
Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#231 » by Mr B » Sun Apr 3, 2016 5:18 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:Or we can stay where we are and get an immediate, impact, much-needed starter. We all agree that our defense sucks. So let's knock out a couple much needed positions on defense, and do it now so we can get Mr. B's QB in next year's draft. I can see Buckner being a cornerstone and pro bowler for many years for us.


As for repairing the defense, I do like Buckner the most of all the DL in this draft. I see him as a bigger better version of David Irving. I'd like to see them move Buckner all over the line. Let him determine the best matchup and line up there, similar to the way the Seahawks use Michael Bennett. I think Buckner could be a better version of Bennett.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#232 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Apr 4, 2016 7:18 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:That doesn't mean he is the Guy and our guy of the future just because he is the best Qb in this year's draft. We won't have a chance to get him anyway. The best players in the draft in imho are Deforest Buckner and Myles Jack, hands down. But I do understand why most shy away from Jack. I'm just talking pure talent with all the intangibles.


I'm really hoping that Rams/Cowboys trade rumor is legit. I think they could get better value with the 15th pick and old like to have three 2nd round picks.

What would you think about Darron Lee at 15?

To be perfectly honest Mr. B, I don 't know a thing about him.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#233 » by bluejerseyjinx » Mon Apr 4, 2016 7:23 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Or we can stay where we are and get an immediate, impact, much-needed starter. We all agree that our defense sucks. So let's knock out a couple much needed positions on defense, and do it now so we can get Mr. B's QB in next year's draft. I can see Buckner being a cornerstone and pro bowler for many years for us.


I expect the Cowboys to be much better next year. That will translate in to a lower pick. With that said I don't think QB will be an option at all. By the time the Cowboys pick comes up next year there won't be anyone left on the board as good as either Goff or Wentz. If they pass on a QB this year then they believe this team can win a SB within Romo's two year window.

After those two years this team is going to SUCK. The problem is they won't suck enough to get a high pick to draft one of the top QB's. They could still draft someone the quality of Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton, or Derek Carr but with Romo gone there will be no opportunity to allow the kid to develop. He would be thrown to the wolves.

We need to get some serious pieces on defense this year. But next year for sure, QB will need to be addressed. I can't argue with you about that.
Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#234 » by Mr B » Mon Apr 4, 2016 10:24 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:That doesn't mean he is the Guy and our guy of the future just because he is the best Qb in this year's draft. We won't have a chance to get him anyway. The best players in the draft in imho are Deforest Buckner and Myles Jack, hands down. But I do understand why most shy away from Jack. I'm just talking pure talent with all the intangibles.


I'm really hoping that Rams/Cowboys trade rumor is legit. I think they could get better value with the 15th pick and old like to have three 2nd round picks.

What would you think about Darron Lee at 15?

To be perfectly honest Mr. B, I don 't know a thing about him.


From my understanding he's a legit 3 down LB. doesn't have the athletic ability of Myles Jack but his bigger and more durable. Also can cover equally as well as stopping the run. If they move down to 15 he's they guy I'm thinking they should draft. He'd slide right in as the starting SAM LB.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#235 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Apr 7, 2016 8:49 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:That doesn't mean he is the Guy and our guy of the future just because he is the best Qb in this year's draft. We won't have a chance to get him anyway. The best players in the draft in imho are Deforest Buckner and Myles Jack, hands down. But I do understand why most shy away from Jack. I'm just talking pure talent with all the intangibles.


I'm really hoping that Rams/Cowboys trade rumor is legit. I think they could get better value with the 15th pick and old like to have three 2nd round picks.

What would you think about Darron Lee at 15?

If we ended up in that spot, it would be hard for me to not consider Treadwell. He could really be a huge asset for us going into next season.
Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#236 » by Mr B » Fri Apr 8, 2016 2:58 am

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:That doesn't mean he is the Guy and our guy of the future just because he is the best Qb in this year's draft. We won't have a chance to get him anyway. The best players in the draft in imho are Deforest Buckner and Myles Jack, hands down. But I do understand why most shy away from Jack. I'm just talking pure talent with all the intangibles.


I'm really hoping that Rams/Cowboys trade rumor is legit. I think they could get better value with the 15th pick and old like to have three 2nd round picks.

What would you think about Darron Lee at 15?

If we ended up in that spot, it would be hard for me to not consider Treadwell. He could really be a huge asset for us going into next season.


Yea Treadwell would definitely have to be in the conversation. So would Doctson. I've been hearing even before the draft that they have a very strong interest in Doctson.

Other guys in the conversation would have to Shaq Lawson, Paxton Lynch, and Darron Lee like I said earlier.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#237 » by bluejerseyjinx » Sun Apr 10, 2016 11:02 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:
I'm really hoping that Rams/Cowboys trade rumor is legit. I think they could get better value with the 15th pick and old like to have three 2nd round picks.

What would you think about Darron Lee at 15?

To be perfectly honest Mr. B, I don 't know a thing about him.


From my understanding he's a legit 3 down LB. doesn't have the athletic ability of Myles Jack but his bigger and more durable. Also can cover equally as well as stopping the run. If they move down to 15 he's they guy I'm thinking they should draft. He'd slide right in as the starting SAM LB.

I'm all in drafting at least 2 Lb's. We never seem to have enough.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#238 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:27 pm

Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Or we can stay where we are and get an immediate, impact, much-needed starter. We all agree that our defense sucks. So let's knock out a couple much needed positions on defense, and do it now so we can get Mr. B's QB in next year's draft. I can see Buckner being a cornerstone and pro bowler for many years for us.


I expect the Cowboys to be much better next year. That will translate in to a lower pick. With that said I don't think QB will be an option at all. By the time the Cowboys pick comes up next year there won't be anyone left on the board as good as either Goff or Wentz. If they pass on a QB this year then they believe this team can win a SB within Romo's two year window.

After those two years this team is going to SUCK. The problem is they won't suck enough to get a high pick to draft one of the top QB's. They could still draft someone the quality of Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton, or Derek Carr but with Romo gone there will be no opportunity to allow the kid to develop. He would be thrown to the wolves.

Your assuming. It will drive you crazy. What makes you think the "Guy", as we all put it, will even be there next year.
Mr B
RealGM
Posts: 18,334
And1: 5,391
Joined: Nov 20, 2014
         

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#239 » by Mr B » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:36 pm

bluejerseyjinx wrote:
Mr B wrote:
bluejerseyjinx wrote:Or we can stay where we are and get an immediate, impact, much-needed starter. We all agree that our defense sucks. So let's knock out a couple much needed positions on defense, and do it now so we can get Mr. B's QB in next year's draft. I can see Buckner being a cornerstone and pro bowler for many years for us.


I expect the Cowboys to be much better next year. That will translate in to a lower pick. With that said I don't think QB will be an option at all. By the time the Cowboys pick comes up next year there won't be anyone left on the board as good as either Goff or Wentz. If they pass on a QB this year then they believe this team can win a SB within Romo's two year window.

After those two years this team is going to SUCK. The problem is they won't suck enough to get a high pick to draft one of the top QB's. They could still draft someone the quality of Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton, or Derek Carr but with Romo gone there will be no opportunity to allow the kid to develop. He would be thrown to the wolves.

Your assuming. It will drive you crazy. What makes you think the "Guy", as we all put it, will even be there next year.


You're right, there's no guarantee that a QB they like will be there next year. Th only guarantee is that they have the #4 pick this year and have an opportunity to get a QB that they do like (Lynch). Now I don't see them taking Lynch at 4 but the opportunity to trade down is there. If they want a QB they need to strike when they have the chance instead of waiting until next year when there are no guarantees.
bluejerseyjinx
RealGM
Posts: 22,397
And1: 5,005
Joined: Oct 18, 2014
Location: Maine
       

Re: 2016 Draft - Never too early 

Post#240 » by bluejerseyjinx » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:39 pm

There is, if we stay where we are and draft defense. Both Buckner and Jack are home run hitters at the 2 weakest parts of our football team. And they are the 2 best players in the draft this year, hands down. I'm tired of being in the bottom 5 in almost every defensive category for almost a decade now. Even with a healthy rRmo and a back up of your choice, we will have to score 38 points every week to have a chance to win the f....ing game.

Return to Dallas Cowboys