Would the Bulls 'reset' and trade Jimmy Butler this offseason ? What would Celtics need to give you?

[MrSparkle]

a triple double threat that has one triple double in his career

Well personally I never thought the numerical "10" is so important as much as the skill and ability to garner the statistic. He's averaging about 21/6/5, and never seemed like a stat padder IMO.

He's been playing SG, so he's more out of position for rebounds than SFs like Lebron and Durant. He ranks #3 amongst SGs at rebounding. #5 amongst SGs at assisting. http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/assists/position/shooting-guards

Excluding big men from the conversation, here are the perimeter-oriented players I'd take over Jimmy:

Lebron, Durant, Leonard, Curry

These are relatively equal players IMO. Better at some things (decision-making, 3P shooting, rebounding/shot-blocking, length), worse at others (defense, toughness, drawing fouls, mid-range scoring):

Harden, George, Paul, Westbrook, Giannis (potential), Lillard, Wall

Because of injuries, there are several stars I wouldn't consider (Kyrie, Melo, etc.)

I struggle seeing any other players who are (or will be) better than Jimmy for the next 2 years. I consider big-men an entirely different category. You should try to pair a player like Dray, Davis or Aldridge with Jimmy, not replace him. There are at most, 15 of these elite perimeter guys. I don't see why would dump him, for a shot at getting another one, when less than half of the league has one.

[Axl Rose]

Well personally I never thought the numerical "10" is so important as much as the skill and ability to garner the statistic. He's averaging about 21/6/5, and never seemed like a stat padder IMO.

thats the same way i look at it and IMO Jimmy isn't a good enough playmaker...i certainly wouldn't bet on him going out and effortlessly dropping 10 dimes any given night like i would LeBron

I struggle seeing any other players who are (or will be) better than Jimmy for the next 2 years. I consider big-men an entirely different category. You should try to pair a player like Dray, Davis or Aldridge with Jimmy, not replace him. There are at most, 15 of these elite perimeter guys. I don't see why would dump him, for a shot at getting another one, when less than half of the league has one.

if you read the post above your other post i pointed how how weak the NBA is right now

however allot can change by the time we get a true contending team again and hopefully it will because the NBA interest will dry up as guys like Jimmy wont be putting asses in seats

again just look at the winners best player over the last 30 odd years and compare their talent level to Jimmy. all of those players are superior, if not vastly so...i just don't see Jimmy as a true cornerstone caliber player

[Susan]

How would you compare him to Clyde Drexler?

[bennjuiced34]

I think you have to consider a ridiculous offer from the Celtics but if you are not getting something with Smart and/or Crowder and Brooklyn picks, then I would keep Jimmy. He's a top 10 player and is in his prime.

I think it's easy to look at a lotto pick and see potential but how many players taken in the last 3 years are better than Jimmy now? It's hard to realize that success outside of the top 1 or 2 in most drafts.

Hoiball looks good for most of the game but at the end, particularly in the playoffs, you need a go to scorer.

Just passing along some info.

From what I've heard, the Bulls want Crowder. Not sure if that was the hang up at the deadline but I heard he would be a piece in the deal.

I also heard Beal and Porter for Jimmy. Although I'm not sure if that was just names bring thrown out or a legit rumor.



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[Dieselbound&Down]

So I have only sporadically paid attention to the Butler threads but here is my 50 cents

1. Trading Butler, along with all the peripherals moves in cleaning out the older players does give the franchise a chance for a significant reset.
2. Has this franchise ever nuked the roster before like this would entail? Once, when Jordan, PJax, etc. were cut loose and Krause was allowed to take a shot with the baby bulls. That cause Krause to get fired. Since Pax took over, there have only been a handful of trades period let alone ones that weren't salary dumps and the franchise has consistently ridden the fence to death of having good players now and flexibility (roster/cap/etc.) for the future. THEY HAVE NEVER AGAIN REBUILT and never gone all in.
3. No way this FO trades Butler unless something comes along that means a sure fire franchise player and no rebuild required.

All of the pages of reasoned analysis are ivory tower pointless work.

[ADDinChicago]

How would you compare him to Clyde Drexler?

Both will have had to be traded to win a ring

[TheStig]

I think you have to consider a ridiculous offer from the Celtics but if you are not getting something with Smart and/or Crowder and Brooklyn picks, then I would keep Jimmy. He's a top 10 player and is in his prime.

I think it's easy to look at a lotto pick and see potential but how many players taken in the last 3 years are better than Jimmy now? It's hard to realize that success outside of the top 1 or 2 in most drafts.

Hoiball looks good for most of the game but at the end, particularly in the playoffs, you need a go to scorer.

Just passing along some info.

From what I've heard, the Bulls want Crowder. Not sure if that was the hang up at the deadline but I heard he would be a piece in the deal.

I also heard Beal and Porter for Jimmy. Although I'm not sure if that was just names bring thrown out or a legit rumor.



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It's interesting. I definitely wouldn't trade him for Beal and Porter.

If you get something ridiculous. I'd be game. If not, then I don't see the point in getting a low return. You've got a good value in him. I'd be looking to sign a FA.

[musiqsoulchild]

No to Beal --- you are just adding another chronically injured player to your roster.

Also, google his comments on Derrick Rose. If you are getting Beal, then that means you really dont care about Derrick anymore. That doesnt compute.

Porter is good however.

[ADDinChicago]

No to Beal --- you are just adding another chronically injured player to your roster.

Also, google his comments on Derrick Rose. If you are getting Beal, then that means you really dont care about Derrick anymore. That doesnt compute.

Porter is good however.

Beal & Wall don't even get along now. Beal might set fire to the UC if he was here with this mess.

With Porter, someone's probably going to pry him away from the Wiz at some point, and they'll be very happy with what they get.

[bennjuiced34]

I think you have to consider a ridiculous offer from the Celtics but if you are not getting something with Smart and/or Crowder and Brooklyn picks, then I would keep Jimmy. He's a top 10 player and is in his prime.

I think it's easy to look at a lotto pick and see potential but how many players taken in the last 3 years are better than Jimmy now? It's hard to realize that success outside of the top 1 or 2 in most drafts.

Hoiball looks good for most of the game but at the end, particularly in the playoffs, you need a go to scorer.

Just passing along some info.

From what I've heard, the Bulls want Crowder. Not sure if that was the hang up at the deadline but I heard he would be a piece in the deal.

I also heard Beal and Porter for Jimmy. Although I'm not sure if that was just names bring thrown out or a legit rumor.



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It's interesting. I definitely wouldn't trade him for Beal and Porter.

If you get something ridiculous. I'd be game. If not, then I don't see the point in getting a low return. You've got a good value in him. I'd be looking to sign a FA.

I like what Boston has to offer best. Players + picks.

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