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Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16)

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Re: Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16) 

Post#41 » by Revived » Mon Apr 4, 2016 9:23 am

keynote wrote:Morris is a dumb player.

Since when did he become a starter for the Wizards?
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Re: Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16) 

Post#42 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 1:34 pm

I'm a little puzzled at all of the Morris hate. If you ignore his first four games, Morris has been a pretty solid player for us. Since then, he has averaged 17.7 points, 8.3 boards, 2.0 assists, 1.3 steals and 1 block per 36 minutes with a TS% of .575 and a 3P% of .361. He has also played pretty good defense. The team is holds the opponent to 5.6 fewer points per 100 possessions with Morris on the floor, and Morris' total on/off differential is +7.2.

I'd like to see a little better rebounding, but other than that, he is doing real well.
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Re: Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16) 

Post#43 » by Ruzious » Mon Apr 4, 2016 1:51 pm

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nate33 wrote:LOL. Totally missed the game. Good choice.

Beal played well, huh?

At this point, the more bad games for Beal, the better. We need the league to know the truth about him, that he's a decent (and injury prone) starting SG and nothing more. A max contract is absurd.



Beal played and didn't get hurt...that's a WIN :(

Such high standards. :wink:

2 for 16 especially against a team with mediocre to poor defensive 2's... And wasn't Beal the player who complained a couple days ago about his teammates' efforts? What the bleep is wrong with him?
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Re: Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16) 

Post#44 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:05 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm a little puzzled at all of the Morris hate. If you ignore his first four games, Morris has been a pretty solid player for us. Since then, he has averaged 17.7 points, 8.3 boards, 2.0 assists, 1.3 steals and 1 block per 36 minutes with a TS% of .575 and a 3P% of .361. He has also played pretty good defense. The team is holds the opponent to 5.6 fewer points per 100 possessions with Morris on the floor, and Morris' total on/off differential is +7.2.

I'd like to see a little better rebounding, but other than that, he is doing real well.

He's doing about as well as could be reasonably expected. His overall efficiency is meh (103). I wouldn't put much stock in the on/off stuff yet -- he's at 629 total minutes, which is a minuscule sample size in on/off world. Most of that on/off is on the defensive end. In my stuff, he rates as basically an average defender, which is an upgrade on Dudley who rates well-below average defensively.

Overall, he's been a little better than average after those first four games.
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Re: Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16) 

Post#45 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:44 pm

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nate33 wrote:I'm a little puzzled at all of the Morris hate. If you ignore his first four games, Morris has been a pretty solid player for us. Since then, he has averaged 17.7 points, 8.3 boards, 2.0 assists, 1.3 steals and 1 block per 36 minutes with a TS% of .575 and a 3P% of .361. He has also played pretty good defense. The team is holds the opponent to 5.6 fewer points per 100 possessions with Morris on the floor, and Morris' total on/off differential is +7.2.

I'd like to see a little better rebounding, but other than that, he is doing real well.

He's doing about as well as could be reasonably expected. His overall efficiency is meh (103). I wouldn't put much stock in the on/off stuff yet -- he's at 629 total minutes, which is a minuscule sample size in on/off world. Most of that on/off is on the defensive end. In my stuff, he rates as basically an average defender, which is an upgrade on Dudley who rates well-below average defensively.

Overall, he's been a little better than average after those first four games.

Just a side note, I want to rescind my criticism of his rebounding. When you look at the numbers, you see that power forward rebounding rate has dropped quite a bit these last few years. A quick glance at the leaders and I note that only 3 full-time power forwards average double-digit rebounding per 36 minutes: Faried, Julius Randle and Trevor Booker. A couple other guys like Kevin Love, Ed Davis, Tristan Thompson and Jared Sullinger also average double figures, but they play a lot of center as well. I guess with 4-out sets now being the norm, "power forwards" are out defending the perimeter almost as often as small forwards are, so there's no reason to expect them to average significantly more rebounds than a typical small forward.
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Re: Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16) 

Post#46 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Apr 4, 2016 4:36 pm

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nate33 wrote:I'm a little puzzled at all of the Morris hate. If you ignore his first four games, Morris has been a pretty solid player for us. Since then, he has averaged 17.7 points, 8.3 boards, 2.0 assists, 1.3 steals and 1 block per 36 minutes with a TS% of .575 and a 3P% of .361. He has also played pretty good defense. The team is holds the opponent to 5.6 fewer points per 100 possessions with Morris on the floor, and Morris' total on/off differential is +7.2.

I'd like to see a little better rebounding, but other than that, he is doing real well.

He's doing about as well as could be reasonably expected. His overall efficiency is meh (103). I wouldn't put much stock in the on/off stuff yet -- he's at 629 total minutes, which is a minuscule sample size in on/off world. Most of that on/off is on the defensive end. In my stuff, he rates as basically an average defender, which is an upgrade on Dudley who rates well-below average defensively.

Overall, he's been a little better than average after those first four games.

Just a side note, I want to rescind my criticism of his rebounding. When you look at the numbers, you see that power forward rebounding rate has dropped quite a bit these last few years. A quick glance at the leaders and I note that only 3 full-time power forwards average double-digit rebounding per 36 minutes: Faried, Julius Randle and Trevor Booker. A couple other guys like Kevin Love, Ed Davis, Tristan Thompson and Jared Sullinger also average double figures, but they play a lot of center as well. I guess with 4-out sets now being the norm, "power forwards" are out defending the perimeter almost as often as small forwards are, so there's no reason to expect them to average significantly more rebounds than a typical small forward.

I wouldn't rescind. Morris' rebounding is below average for PFs.
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Re: Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16) 

Post#47 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 4:55 pm

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TheSecretWeapon wrote:He's doing about as well as could be reasonably expected. His overall efficiency is meh (103). I wouldn't put much stock in the on/off stuff yet -- he's at 629 total minutes, which is a minuscule sample size in on/off world. Most of that on/off is on the defensive end. In my stuff, he rates as basically an average defender, which is an upgrade on Dudley who rates well-below average defensively.

Overall, he's been a little better than average after those first four games.

Just a side note, I want to rescind my criticism of his rebounding. When you look at the numbers, you see that power forward rebounding rate has dropped quite a bit these last few years. A quick glance at the leaders and I note that only 3 full-time power forwards average double-digit rebounding per 36 minutes: Faried, Julius Randle and Trevor Booker. A couple other guys like Kevin Love, Ed Davis, Tristan Thompson and Jared Sullinger also average double figures, but they play a lot of center as well. I guess with 4-out sets now being the norm, "power forwards" are out defending the perimeter almost as often as small forwards are, so there's no reason to expect them to average significantly more rebounds than a typical small forward.

I wouldn't rescind. Morris' rebounding is below average for PFs.

IIRC, you use bball references player designations. I'm not sure if they're all that useful for the position of power forward when guys like Tristan Thompson and Ed Davis get labeled as PF.

Here's a list of the starting PF's on every roster in the East, and their rebounds per 36:

Kevin Love 11.2
Luis Scola 8.0
Paul Millsap 9.7 (Horford gets just 8.0)
Amir Johnson 10.1
Marvin Williams 8.2
Chris Bosh 7.9
Ersan Ilyasova 7.1
Paul George 7.2
Taj Gibson 9.4
Tobias Harris 7.7
Greek Freak 7.7
Porzingis 9.3
Thad Young 9.0
Okafor 8.4

So when compared to the 2nd best rebounder in every other starting lineup, Morris and his 8.3 boards per 36 is in line. He outrebounds the second best rebounder in the starting lineup of 8 of the 14 teams in the East
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Re: Emergency game thread - Wiz at Clips (4/3/16) 

Post#48 » by CobraCommander » Tue Apr 5, 2016 1:35 am

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nate33 wrote:LOL. Totally missed the game. Good choice.

Beal played well, huh?

At this point, the more bad games for Beal, the better. We need the league to know the truth about him, that he's a decent (and injury prone) starting SG and nothing more. A max contract is absurd.



Beal played and didn't get hurt...that's a WIN :(

Such high standards. :wink:

2 for 16 especially against a team with mediocre to poor defensive 2's... And wasn't Beal the player who complained a couple days ago about his teammates' efforts? What the bleep is wrong with him?



Beal doesn't have self awareness...or he is trying to alienate himself so that the Wiz let him go.

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