Oklahoma City Thunder Regular Season Thread: Part IV

[Old Man Game]

For a guy in his 3rd season, Steven's in good company.

http://bkref.com/tiny/e8oWG

I think 12 mio. p.a. would be too low, just because they offered Kanter more, who is a lesser player.

I really hope Presti manages to finally win a trade and trades Kanter for a good piece. And maybe trade Ibaka as well: If he keeps this up, we have to cash in before he tanks his value completely.

That's a horrible list quite frankly. The fact is he is a center averaging 8 points 6.5 rebounds and 1 block. http://bkref.com/tiny/s7C8u there's a more representative list of where he stands from a historical perspective.

Is Steven even on this list?

[spearsy23]

If players are underperforming relative to their career that's on them.

Who is underperforming though? Dion is who he is, Foye, Kanter, Singler, Morrow... They are all exactly what you'd expect. Serge is the only guy even possibly underperforming, and he seems to be miscast in Donovan's offense which is partly on presti as well.

Singler is, Serge is to an extent. Morrow isn't being given a chance. Foye I actually don't hate mainly b/c he's not Singler or Dion.

Singler is pretty much exactly who he was last year before Presti extended him. Morrow isn't being given a chance by the guy Presti hand picked. Foye sucks, comparing him to two terrible players doesn't change that. In addition Presti is getting the benefit of an ATG year from Westbrook that nobody ever expected, which I think more than evens out any down year by Singler.

[spearsy23]

For a guy in his 3rd season, Steven's in good company.

http://bkref.com/tiny/e8oWG

I think 12 mio. p.a. would be too low, just because they offered Kanter more, who is a lesser player.

I really hope Presti manages to finally win a trade and trades Kanter for a good piece. And maybe trade Ibaka as well: If he keeps this up, we have to cash in before he tanks his value completely.

That's a horrible list quite frankly. The fact is he is a center averaging 8 points 6.5 rebounds and 1 block. http://bkref.com/tiny/s7C8u there's a more representative list of where he stands from a historical perspective.

Is Steven even on this list?

Probably somewhere in the 200-300 range

[bondom34]

Who is underperforming though? Dion is who he is, Foye, Kanter, Singler, Morrow... They are all exactly what you'd expect. Serge is the only guy even possibly underperforming, and he seems to be miscast in Donovan's offense which is partly on presti as well.

Singler is, Serge is to an extent. Morrow isn't being given a chance. Foye I actually don't hate mainly b/c he's not Singler or Dion.

Singler is pretty much exactly who he was last year before Presti extended him. Morrow isn't being given a chance by the guy Presti hand picked. Foye sucks, comparing him to two terrible players doesn't change that. In addition Presti is getting the benefit of an ATG year from Westbrook that nobody ever expected, which I think more than evens out any down year by Singler.

I'm not sure what you're meaning about Russ, because if he's getting blame for guys underperforming he should get credit for overperforming. He's got a backup PG his coach won't play (and again the coach is on him), Foye would be fine if he weren't playing PG just like KD. I see 2 bad players out there, Dion and Singler. Other guys have issues, but not issues 99 percent of bench players don't have, that's why they're bench players.

[Old Man Game]

That's a horrible list quite frankly. The fact is he is a center averaging 8 points 6.5 rebounds and 1 block. http://bkref.com/tiny/s7C8u there's a more representative list of where he stands from a historical perspective.

Is Steven even on this list?

Probably somewhere in the 200-300 range

Personally I think your list needs some refinement. I don't agree with comparing centers from the last 10-15 years with guys from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s based on counting stats. I think its safe to say the game has changed quite a bit since then.

[bondom34]

Also, pretty sure Horne is my favorite of the beat writers.

[spearsy23]

Singler is, Serge is to an extent. Morrow isn't being given a chance. Foye I actually don't hate mainly b/c he's not Singler or Dion.

Singler is pretty much exactly who he was last year before Presti extended him. Morrow isn't being given a chance by the guy Presti hand picked. Foye sucks, comparing him to two terrible players doesn't change that. In addition Presti is getting the benefit of an ATG year from Westbrook that nobody ever expected, which I think more than evens out any down year by Singler.

I'm not sure what you're meaning about Russ, because if he's getting blame for guys underperforming he should get credit for overperforming. He's got a backup PG his coach won't play (and again the coach is on him), Foye would be fine if he weren't playing PG just like KD. I see 2 bad players out there, Dion and Singler. Other guys have issues, but not issues 99 percent of bench players don't have, that's why they're bench players.

My point on Russ is that you're saying we should blame the players for underperforming, if we do that then we also blame them for overperforming and we're in the same place. He hasn't put together a competent bench.

Foye has a ts% of 46, isn't capable of playing the point, and has never been a good defender. I don't know what he brings to the table that makes him not a bad player. And 3 bad players in a 9 man rotation really isn't good... Especially when another is Kanter who looks horrible in the eyes of impact stats.

[spearsy23]

Is Steven even on this list?

Probably somewhere in the 200-300 range

Personally I think your list needs some refinement. I don't agree with comparing centers from the last 10-15 years with guys from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s based on counting stats. I think its safe to say the game has changed quite a bit since then.

It's not really meant to be a direct comparison, it's just a lot bettr of a representation of who Steven is than Pil's extremely arbitrary and team dependant list.

[bondom34]

Singler is pretty much exactly who he was last year before Presti extended him. Morrow isn't being given a chance by the guy Presti hand picked. Foye sucks, comparing him to two terrible players doesn't change that. In addition Presti is getting the benefit of an ATG year from Westbrook that nobody ever expected, which I think more than evens out any down year by Singler.

I'm not sure what you're meaning about Russ, because if he's getting blame for guys underperforming he should get credit for overperforming. He's got a backup PG his coach won't play (and again the coach is on him), Foye would be fine if he weren't playing PG just like KD. I see 2 bad players out there, Dion and Singler. Other guys have issues, but not issues 99 percent of bench players don't have, that's why they're bench players.

My point on Russ is that you're saying we should blame the players for underperforming, if we do that then we also blame them for overperforming and we're in the same place. He hasn't put together a competent bench.

Foye has a ts% of 46, isn't capable of playing the point, and has never been a good defender. I don't know what he brings to the table that makes him not a bad player. And 3 bad players in a 9 man rotation really isn't good... Especially when another is Kanter who looks horrible in the eyes of impact stats.

The bench of all things hasn't even been the biggest issue late games, its been the starters which is bizarre. The bench performed fine when put in the right position (ie playing a backup PG). There was a few months where they'd figured it out. Then went back to playing KD at point.

[Old Man Game]

Probably somewhere in the 200-300 range

Personally I think your list needs some refinement. I don't agree with comparing centers from the last 10-15 years with guys from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s based on counting stats. I think its safe to say the game has changed quite a bit since then.

It's not really meant to be a direct comparison, it's just a lot bettr of a representation of who Steven is than Pil's extremely arbitrary and team dependant list.

I think this is pretty fair. http://bkref.com/tiny/cDYlK

[Pillendreher]

For a guy in his 3rd season, Steven's in good company.

http://bkref.com/tiny/e8oWG

I think 12 mio. p.a. would be too low, just because they offered Kanter more, who is a lesser player.

I really hope Presti manages to finally win a trade and trades Kanter for a good piece. And maybe trade Ibaka as well: If he keeps this up, we have to cash in before he tanks his value completely.

That's a horrible list quite frankly. The fact is he is a center averaging 8 points 6.5 rebounds and 1 block. http://bkref.com/tiny/s7C8u there's a more representative list of where he stands from a historical perspective.

You're going by raw, I'm going by impact stats. Of course he's never gonna be a franchise player, but he could be our defensive anchor while scoring very efficiently on offense. If he can improve his passing (there were two situations in the Houston game that really surprised me) and add a midrange jumper to his game, he could become a player like Marc Gasol-Dwight Howard hybrid. We'll see.

[Andre Roberstan]

Also, pretty sure Horne is my favorite of the beat writers.

He plays trivia against one of my workmates pretty frequently—they're both staples of that scene. Good dude from all reports I've heard. Glad he's getting a chance.

[bondom34]

Also, pretty sure Horne is my favorite of the beat writers.

He plays trivia against one of my workmates pretty frequently—they're both staples of that scene. Good dude from all reports I've heard. Glad he's getting a chance.

I tend to agree with him alot too, which makes me like him. Plus he's the rare beat writer to actually reply on twitter .

[Pillendreher]

Really, you like Horne? I feel like halt the time he has no idea what he's talking about (especially considering Waiters: A few weeks ago he was fully pushing the Dion train, despite him sucking all year long)...I liked Darnell better.

[bondom34]

Really, you like Horne? I feel like halt the time he has no idea what he's talking about (especially considering Waiters: A few weeks ago he was fully pushing the Dion train, despite him sucking all year long)...I liked Darnell better.

He pretty well takes Dion for what he is. Doesn't think he'll be back next year, doesn't overhype Kanter like most do, doesn't needlessly seem to troll like Darnell has started to (I used to like him but he's just weird now that he got the new gig). Actually understands why Kanter doesn't play a ton of minutes.

Plus he half told off the dude who always posts about Kanter/Morrow starting over Robes/Adams yesterday so I loved that.

[Old Man Game]

Also, pretty sure Horne is my favorite of the beat writers.

He plays trivia against one of my workmates pretty frequently—they're both staples of that scene. Good dude from all reports I've heard. Glad he's getting a chance.

We may have friends in common. I'd just heard from someone the other day that they'd met Horne out at one of those bar trivia nights. Said he was really nice.

[Andre Roberstan]

Also, pretty sure Horne is my favorite of the beat writers.

He plays trivia against one of my workmates pretty frequently—they're both staples of that scene. Good dude from all reports I've heard. Glad he's getting a chance.

We may have friends in common. I'd just heard from someone the other day that they'd met Horne out at one of those bar trivia nights. Said he was really nice.

We may. My workmate wound up going to Vegas for some sort of national trivia thing...there are people around here who are pretty far into it. I think they thought about bringing Horne on board when one of the team members couldn't make it, but he was busy.

[bondom34]

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[Andre Roberstan]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/717452257420128257[/tweet]

That last line. I'm crying

[KD35Brah]

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Embarrassing.