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Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1641 » by deneem4 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 12:52 am

nate33 wrote:I'm really coming around on this Whiteside idea. I heard a podcast recently when Nate Duncan interviewed NBA expert David Locke. Locke made the interesting point that perhaps the biggest X-factor in NBA offenses today is to have a true pick-and-roll lob threat - guys like DeAndre Jordan, Andre Drummond, or Tyson Chandler from a few years ago. Those guys put a ton of pressure on the defense because it gives the guard a vertical target on the pick-and-roll. A really good center can stop a Wall/Gortat pick and roll just by positioning himself ideally between the two as they roll to take away that pass. Weak side help isn't necessary. But with a lob threat, even great positioning isn't enough. There is simply no way to prevent that pass while also stopping the guard, not unless you have weak side help.

The Clippers are playing great even without Griffin because of the Paul/Jordan combo. It just can't be stopped without bending the defense to the breaking point.

A Wall/Whiteside combination could be as potent (although Wall's mediocre midrange game is a problem).


This is what I been saying for the longest about gortat. without an incredible forward we need an incredible big...gortat is great but he's still mediocre in sense of being a game changer
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Post#1642 » by deneem4 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 12:56 am

Wall
Beal
Porter
Morris
Whiteside

Would essentially be a younger version of this year clippers...whiteside is a offensive defensive threat than gortat which hopefully can allow beal and Porter some breathing room on the wings...
If we can get a good coach that can teach a fast tempo high flying offense we can be legit next year...
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1643 » by thricethefun » Mon Apr 4, 2016 3:10 am

I think we have a better chance of getting Durant then we do of Whiteside coming here this summer. 1. He actually likes his team/organization (they gave him a chance when no one else would) 2. He loves Miami 3. He loves media attention which he would get none of here. 4. Better basketball situation for him
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1644 » by gambitx777 » Mon Apr 4, 2016 4:14 am

thricethefun wrote:I think we have a better chance of getting Durant then we do of Whiteside coming here this summer. 1. He actually likes his team/organization (they gave him a chance when no one else would) 2. He loves Miami 3. He loves media attention which he would get none of here. 4. Better basketball situation for him

Are you reading any of the news? things are very very rocky for him in Miami.
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Post#1645 » by pcbothwel » Mon Apr 4, 2016 4:49 am

thricethefun wrote:I think we have a better chance of getting Durant then we do of Whiteside coming here this summer. 1. He actually likes his team/organization (they gave him a chance when no one else would) 2. He loves Miami 3. He loves media attention which he would get none of here. 4. Better basketball situation for him


You sure? Starting next season (Assuming the Wiz sign Beal and the Heat resign Wade)
Wall (26), Beal (23), Porter (23), Oubre (20), Morris (27), Gortat (32)

Vs.

Dragic (30), Wade (34), Winslow (20), Bosh (32), McRoberts (29)

Dragic looks terrible and is 30. Wade looks good, but he played more games this year than he has since 2010. Do you really expect a 34+ y/o with his injury history to stay healthy. Bosh is a HUGE question mark.

While you would take Bosh over Gortat or Morris for talent, His huge salary combined with his age and Clotting issues are beyond dangerous. Either way, I'd take Gortat or Morris over McRoberts. I'd take Wall over Dragic every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I'd also take the wing combo of Beal/Porter/Oubre over Wade/Winslow...

Team aside. Wall is a much better fit as a distributer than Dragic.

Again, you sure?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1646 » by payitforward » Mon Apr 4, 2016 11:31 pm

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queridiculo wrote:A Gortat Whiteside sign and trade would be what I am after.

It works for both teams, the Heat remain competitive and the Wizards get younger and could conceivably clear enough cap space to either round out the roster with quality depth, or to pursue another near max free agent.

That actually makes a ton of sense from a team building standpoint. I'm not really sure how to executive it logistically though. Whiteside is going to go where he wants to go. Miami doesn't really have any leverage to try and trade him. Legally, they can't S&T him to a deal better than what Washington could already offer in the first place.

Better for Washington to just sign Whiteside and then try and trade Gortat for extra value. Somebody somewhere will give up at least a few 2nd round picks and cap space for him. If that other team happens to be Miami, so be it.

Compare what we had to trade to acquire Marcin Gortat w/ what you're willing to take for him -- wow....

Gortat is a heck of a player, and he has an attractive contract (in the strange world we entering). Why would he not bring back a player of the same value?

If we trade him for Whiteside, we improve the position, but we don't help build the team in any other way. Keep in mind that we have a very small crew signed for next year, and that we have next to no assets to trade. We need Gortat so we can trade for another player -- not for Whiteside.

Note that I'm happy to indulge this discussion about how we acquire Whiteside, but I can't avoid pointing out that whether we are able to acquire him -- by any means whatever -- is a much thornier concern.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1647 » by payitforward » Mon Apr 4, 2016 11:46 pm

No one is taking Morris off our hands, unfortunately. We're stuck with him.

Ernie the genius would never be willing to take a bunch less for him than he paid for him a few months earlier! That'd be almost like admitting he made a mistake -- something Ernie Grunfeld never does. And... we seem to be stuck with *him* too!
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Post#1648 » by jivelikenice » Tue Apr 5, 2016 4:46 am

Why would you want to get rid of Morris? 13.6ppg and 6.3 rpg while shooting 50% from the field and 38% from 3 in 28 mpg in his 18 starts. That while acclimating to a new team and only slated to earn 7.4MM next year.

Its fair not to like why they had to or that the did trade for Markieff but the player himself has been solid since coming to Washington.
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Post#1649 » by realEAST » Tue Apr 5, 2016 12:00 pm

Hi guys, one idea regarding Porter, trading with Bulls:

McDermott, Mirotic or Portis, 2017 SAC pick (top10 protected) for Porter. Also, opens up playing time for Oubre. Would this be enough?
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Post#1650 » by TGW » Tue Apr 5, 2016 12:33 pm

realEAST wrote:Hi guys, one idea regarding Porter, trading with Bulls:

McDermott, Mirotic or Portis, 2017 SAC pick (top10 protected) for Porter. Also, opens up playing time for Oubre. Would this be enough?


I would do this in a New York minute. I'm a fan of Ottoman, but this is too good to pass up IMO.
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Post#1651 » by Dark Faze » Tue Apr 5, 2016 1:27 pm

What can we get for Brad? Can we get a sign and trade with Philly for a first?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1652 » by nate33 » Tue Apr 5, 2016 1:48 pm

TGW wrote:
realEAST wrote:Hi guys, one idea regarding Porter, trading with Bulls:

McDermott, Mirotic or Portis, 2017 SAC pick (top10 protected) for Porter. Also, opens up playing time for Oubre. Would this be enough?


I would do this in a New York minute. I'm a fan of Ottoman, but this is too good to pass up IMO.

This is intriguing depending on how things shake out in free agency this offseason. If Durant ends up signing a 1+1 to stay in OKC, it'll mean he will be available in free agency next summer. In 2017, we couldn't afford a big extension on Porter while also saving room for Durant. Making this deal would keep our salary situation lean in 2017 and give us another shot at KD2DC.

But if KD signs a long term deal somewhere this offseason, or he makes it clear he won't be coming here in 2017, then I think I'd pass on this deal. Quality beats quantity. I think Porter is better than any of the pieces coming back. I really think Porter is going to have a Nicolas Batum type of career - a top 6-10 SF every year. And I wouldn't put it past him to have a big jump in production and creep into the top 5 of SF's if he ever gets assertive on offense.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1653 » by nate33 » Tue Apr 5, 2016 1:49 pm

Dark Faze wrote:What can we get for Brad? Can we get a sign and trade with Philly for a first?

Nothing.

The way to get Beal is to outbid Washington on salary. Washington will probably match any offer up to a max deal. So the only way to trade for Beal is to offer a max salary plus additional incentive, and no team is going to value him that high. Beal on a max contract is a negative asset.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1654 » by realEAST » Tue Apr 5, 2016 1:52 pm

TGW wrote:
realEAST wrote:Hi guys, one idea regarding Porter, trading with Bulls:

McDermott, Mirotic or Portis, 2017 SAC pick (top10 protected) for Porter. Also, opens up playing time for Oubre. Would this be enough?


I would do this in a New York minute. I'm a fan of Ottoman, but this is too good to pass up IMO.


Now just to get Forman on the same page as us ;)
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1655 » by Dark Faze » Tue Apr 5, 2016 4:07 pm

nate33 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:What can we get for Brad? Can we get a sign and trade with Philly for a first?

Nothing.

The way to get Beal is to outbid Washington on salary. Washington will probably match any offer up to a max deal. So the only way to trade for Beal is to offer a max salary plus additional incentive, and no team is going to value him that high. Beal on a max contract is a negative asset.


I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to think a team like Philly would be interested. Again, salary isn't an issue for them right now. So them parting with a late 1st and a second would not be a big deal to them I wouldn't think.

I know if I was a Philly fan I wouldn't be against it. By the time their star rookies are up for an extension the Beal contract would be nearly over. And being able to add Beal to Simmons/Ingram along with Embiid, Okafor, and Nerlens would help as they are very front court clogged at the moment.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1656 » by nate33 » Tue Apr 5, 2016 5:22 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:What can we get for Brad? Can we get a sign and trade with Philly for a first?

Nothing.

The way to get Beal is to outbid Washington on salary. Washington will probably match any offer up to a max deal. So the only way to trade for Beal is to offer a max salary plus additional incentive, and no team is going to value him that high. Beal on a max contract is a negative asset.


I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to think a team like Philly would be interested. Again, salary isn't an issue for them right now. So them parting with a late 1st and a second would not be a big deal to them I wouldn't think.

I know if I was a Philly fan I wouldn't be against it. By the time their star rookies are up for an extension the Beal contract would be nearly over. And being able to add Beal to Simmons/Ingram along with Embiid, Okafor, and Nerlens would help as they are very front court clogged at the moment.

If they offered a mid first round pick for Beal, I'd make the trade without hesitation (assuming Beal was insisting on a max contract).
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1657 » by dckingsfan » Tue Apr 5, 2016 6:12 pm

We are going to get so screwed in the last year of EGs tenure - desperation isn't a good thing in a GM.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1658 » by gambitx777 » Tue Apr 5, 2016 7:50 pm

nate33 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
nate33 wrote:Nothing.

The way to get Beal is to outbid Washington on salary. Washington will probably match any offer up to a max deal. So the only way to trade for Beal is to offer a max salary plus additional incentive, and no team is going to value him that high. Beal on a max contract is a negative asset.


I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to think a team like Philly would be interested. Again, salary isn't an issue for them right now. So them parting with a late 1st and a second would not be a big deal to them I wouldn't think.

I know if I was a Philly fan I wouldn't be against it. By the time their star rookies are up for an extension the Beal contract would be nearly over. And being able to add Beal to Simmons/Ingram along with Embiid, Okafor, and Nerlens would help as they are very front court clogged at the moment.

If they offered a mid first round pick for Beal, I'd make the trade without hesitation (assuming Beal was insisting on a max contract).

People have gotten decent hauls for sign and trades before. they have lie what 4 picks in this draft, they could toss two in and be ok. that would be a good deal for us! for sure. I think noel might even be an option. Philly would be the best trade partner for us for beal.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1659 » by nate33 » Tue Apr 5, 2016 8:11 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
I don't think its out of the realm of possibility to think a team like Philly would be interested. Again, salary isn't an issue for them right now. So them parting with a late 1st and a second would not be a big deal to them I wouldn't think.

I know if I was a Philly fan I wouldn't be against it. By the time their star rookies are up for an extension the Beal contract would be nearly over. And being able to add Beal to Simmons/Ingram along with Embiid, Okafor, and Nerlens would help as they are very front court clogged at the moment.

If they offered a mid first round pick for Beal, I'd make the trade without hesitation (assuming Beal was insisting on a max contract).

People have gotten decent hauls for sign and trades before. they have lie what 4 picks in this draft, they could toss two in and be ok. that would be a good deal for us! for sure. I think noel might even be an option. Philly would be the best trade partner for us for beal.

Not for sub-max caliber players who got max contracts.

The last time I recall a team trade for a max contract of a non-elite player and include picks in the transaction was when Denver traded for Kenyon Martin. That was about 14 years ago.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1660 » by Dark Faze » Tue Apr 5, 2016 8:14 pm

dckingsfan wrote:We are going to get so screwed in the last year of EGs tenure - desperation isn't a good thing in a GM.


he's been on the "last year of his deal" for a while now

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